[b-greek] Re: These two positions don't even seem close

From: Mike Sangrey (mike@sojurn.lns.pa.us)
Date: Mon Aug 28 2000 - 12:30:11 EDT

Thank you Rolf!!!

Rolf Furuli <furuli@online.no> said:
> Porter, Fanning, and Wallace have been mentioned in the discussion,
> but not Mari Broman Olsen. The strength of her work, is that she uses
> a clearly defined methodology and textual examples. When I read her
> book, my opinion was that the aorist was a combination of past tense
> and the perfective aspect. After using her methodology and working
> with the texts, I changed my view to the point where I take the aorist
> to signal the perfective aspect but not past tense.

Not having immediate access to Mari Broman Olsen's book, I went to the web. :-)

Those who have not sludged your way through this in-tense quagmire in all its
various aspects may find Olsen's short article, cited below, beneficial.

For the rest of us who are pre-sludged, it is in postscript format, however.
I have rendered it into PDF; there was an error and the Greek is ugly, but I
can view it. Since it is available on the web, and therefore freely
available, I'll send the PDF version to whomever asks.


Scroll down about 4/5ths of the way. The article is called
    Olsen, Mari Broman. 1994c. The Koine Greek Verb: Tense and Aspect.

Olsen cites Grice and his/her cancelability model. She uses two versions of
the following statement to help the reader visualize her premise:
   Paul was working...
     ...,and still is.
     ...,but is no longer.

And she notes that the author has thus canceled in the one case, an
imperfective tense, and in the other, the perfective tense. She then proposes
that Grice's cancelability is diagnostic of whether a verb form conveys tense
or is purely aspectual in nature. She states: "If the Koine indicative verb
forms all lack tense, as Porter claims, they should all permit a range of
cancellable temporal reference; in fact only the present and aorist forms do.
If the Koine forms encode tense, as the traditional accounts claim, they
should all have a consistent temporal reference; in fact only imperfect,
pluperfect, perfect and future forms do." The rest of the 14 page article
gives examples, support and clarification to this statement as well as
addressing some of the implications.

I, for one, would be very interested in Wallace's (Wayne, is this possible)
response to Olsen as well as Porter's (Cindy, can you ask Porter?).
Mike Sangrey
Landisburg, Pa.
       Every Christian library should have a plaque which states:
              "There is one book which explains all these."

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