From: Francisco Orozco (email@example.com)
Date: Thu Oct 12 2000 - 14:32:13 EDT
> >On the second question, there is no omission of women. It seems that the
> >general terms included both male and female so that PATERES includes male
> >and female likewise for NEANISKOI.
> The structure you suggested (I removed it from this response) was to my
> liking. But the question that immediately came to my mind was seemingly
> anticipated in your statement above. Which leads me to this:
> Are you aware of PATERES clearly referring to both male and female in any
> other Greek writing?
> I would pose the same question as to the masculine NEANISKOI. Can you cite
> references where it refers to male AND FEMALE? I am looking for
> references at this time.
Louw & Nida give the plural of PATHR, PATROS as "parents" in 10.18 the
example they cite is He 11:23 MWUSHS GENNHQEIS EKRBH TRIMHNON UPO TWN
Heb 12.9 might be another example EITA TOUS MEN THS SARKOS HMWN PATERAS EICO
MEN PAIDEUTAS KAI ENETREPOMEQA, see also Luk 1.17, and perhaps more clearly
Eph 6:4 KAI OI PATERES MH PARORGIZETE TA TEKNA UMWN comp. v.2 TIMA TON
PATERA SOU KAI THN MHTERA. (the same for Col 3:21).
Concerning NEANISKOI the matter turns difficult because Louw & Nida place in
9.32 (9.24-33 treat "males") their emphasis though is on "age grading".
In Exo 10.9 we have (LXX) KAI LEGEI MUUSHS SUN TOIS NEANISKOIS KAI
PRESBUTEROIS POREUSO MEQA SUN TOIS OUIS KAI QUGATRASIN - it seems that
NEANISKOIS means the "youth" and PRESBUTEROIS the "older." BAG p.534 give
"youth" for NEANIAS (of course, they also give "young man").
See also Joshua 6.21 again LXX - KAI ANEQEMATISEN AUTHN IHESOUS KAI OSA EN
EN TH POLEI APO ANDROS KAI EWS GUNAIKOS APO NEANISKOU KAI EWS PRESBUTOU
where NEANISKOU seems to include ANDROS KAI GUNAIKOS (and PRESBUTOU the
Whether these are "undisputed" I do not know,
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