[b-greek] RE: 1 John 2:15

From: Brian Swedburg (brian@discoveryhills.org)
Date: Thu Nov 09 2000 - 14:12:43 EST


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Greetings,
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <i>The question originally adressed was EAN TIS
AGAPAi TON KOSMON, OUK ESTIN hH AGAPH TOU PATROS EN AUTWi.</i><i></i>
<p><i>Does this mean that the one who loves the world has no love for the
Father,</i>
<br><i>or that the Father's love is not in him/her?</i><i></i>
<p>My perspective places this in the context of the imperative this brief
section is fleshing out. "MH AGAPATE TON KOSMON".&nbsp; As I have mentioned
before, my understanding of the structure of this epistle is based upon
the spans which are built upon the imperatives and exhortations.&nbsp;
In the context of this command not to love the world, I understand the
writer to then be fleshing out what it means to love the world ( i.e. pursuit
it's desires)and what it means to love the Father (i.e. pursuit His will).&nbsp;
Therefore, while the question of objective vs. subbjective genitive may
be a toss up in Johannine literature, in this context, I believe the rhetoric
(by which I mean the writers strategy) strongly favors the objective genitive.
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Will you love God, pursueing His will?, or will
you love the world, pursueing it's desires?"
<p>Thanks
<br>Student
<br>Brian P. Swedburg
<p>Steven Sheeley wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Actually, you could argue for either (or both, in
true Johannine fashion)
<br>meanings not just contextually, but also through syntactical rules.&nbsp;
The
<br>question would hinge on one's interpretation of TOU PATROS; is it an
<br>objective or subjective genitive?
<p>On another level, in the Johannine context, one should also be careful
not
<br>to exclude the possibility that hH AGAPH TOU PATROS is not a circulocution
<br>for Jesus himself, so that the verse would imply that anyone who loves
the
<br>world and its "things" does not have Jesus in him/her.
<p>Steven Sheeley
<br>Associate Professor of Religion
<br>Associate Dean of the College
<br>Shorter College
<p>-----Original Message-----
<br>From: One of the McKays [<a href="mailto:musicke@ozemail.com.au">mailto:musicke@ozemail.com.au</a>]
<br>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:31 AM
<br>To: Biblical Greek
<br>Subject: [b-greek] 1 John 2:15
<p>EAN TIS AGAPAi TON KOSMON, OUK ESTIN hH AGAPH TOU PATROS EN AUTWi.
<p>Does this mean that the one who loves the world has no love for the
Father,
<br>or that the Father's love is not in him/her?
<p>Contextually, I think I could argue for both!
<br>David McKay
<br>musicke@ozemail.com.au
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