[b-greek] Re: OUSIN in Phil 1:1

From: Ken Smith (kens@180solutions.com)
Date: Sat Mar 10 2001 - 18:33:29 EST

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Actually, Greek participles don't have person -- so the correct parsing is &quot;Present Active Participle, Masculine Plural Dative&quot;, without any reference to person.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Ken Smith</FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; From: Noel &amp; Mary Fitzpatrick [<A HREF="mailto:njfitzpatrick@eircom.net">mailto:njfitzpatrick@eircom.net</A>] </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:37 PM</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To: Biblical Greek</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Subject: [b-greek] Re: OUSIN in Phil 1:1</FONT>

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; OUSIN EN FILIPPOIS'.&nbsp; In most translations OUSIN is given as 'who </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; are'.&nbsp; Other translations give 'that are', 'which are' or&nbsp; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; 'qui sunt', while </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; some versions omit a translation.&nbsp; OUSIN is the present participle </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; active dative masculine second person plural.&nbsp; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; A search found three other examples in the NT, which are Eph 1:1, </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; 2Cor 1:1 and Romans 1:7.&nbsp; In all of these 'who are' is the most </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; common translation of OUSIN. </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Thus&nbsp; none of the usual translations show that OUSIN is second </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; person.&nbsp; Would 'you who are' or, preferably, 'you being' be </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; preferred translations?&nbsp; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Explicitly using&nbsp; the second person 'you'&nbsp; makes the translation more </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; personal, warm and intimate.&nbsp; Secondly 'being' rather than 'who are' </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; uses one word&nbsp; rather than two words and shows more clearly that&nbsp; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; OUSIN is a present active participle, agreeing with hAGIOIS in </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; number, gender and case.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Thus would an appropriate translation be '... to all the </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; saints in Christ </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Jesus, you being in Philippi....'?</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Noel J Fitzpatrick</FONT>

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