[b-greek] Re: Luke 23:43

From: Dave Washburn (dwashbur@nyx.net)
Date: Tue Apr 03 2001 - 16:50:26 EDT

> Dear Friends,
> I had a question re: Luke 23:43. The use of SEMERON "today" as used by
> Jesus in addressing the thief on the cross...does the context determine that
> this meant that the thief would be with Jesus in paradise that very **same**
> day? I surveyed other parts in Luke where SEMERON is used and it seems to
> indicate the present day in each given case as in Luke 2:11 and Luke 4:21 to
> mention a few. Some try to tranlate the passage, "Truly, truly is say to you
> **today**, You shall be with me in paradise." The punctuation after the word
> "today" seems to only place Jesus' statement at the present moment he spoke
> these words. This would appear to be redundant and unnecessary. I understand
> that the earliest MSS of the NT had no punctuation, thus punctuation really
> is not a factor here except the context and the usage of words in relation
> to the given context they appear in. Many thanks in advance for your
> comments.

Hi Tony,
The question is whether SHMERON as an adverbial more
commonly occurs at the beginning of a clause or at the end; it is
also instructive to investigate its relation to LEGW. The word
appears 41 times in the NT, most of which are pretty much
irrelevant to the question at hand. Mark 14:29 puts it near LEGW,
and in this instance it is part of the clause after LEGW, not part of
the LEGW clause. Likewise for Luke 4:21 where Jesus began to
LEGEIN that SHMERON this is fulfilled etc. Luke 5:26 may or
may not be relevant, it's hard to tell. James 4:13 is another
example. I couldn't find any similar structures in the LXX. It would
appear, then, that LEGW SOI SHMERON, if it is a validly-used
construction at all, was very uncommon. My own view is that it is
nonexistent, and that the comma should go after SOI as in the
majority of translations.

Dave Washburn
"You just keep thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at."

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