[b-trans] Re: [b-greek] Isaac or Esau?

From: Rev. Bryant J. Williams III (bjwvmw@com-pair.net)
Date: Wed Aug 22 2001 - 04:30:47 EDT

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear John:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The previous verse has Esau as the subject of
comparison with one who is a profane person (BEBHLOS). The "GAR" at the
beginning of verse 17 and following METANOIAS are explanatory and causal
(although I could see how the&nbsp;latter GAR is also explanatory). Furthermore,
the context is referring back to the Genesis 26:29-34 and 27:30-40 incidents
where in&nbsp;27:34 &amp; 38, Esau, who was truly "a profane person," "cried
with a great and exceeding bitter cry...lifted up his voice and wept."&nbsp; The
NIV is misleading here, because Heb 12:17b is translating EUREN to mean, "to
bring about." 12:17b should be translated as "for (because?)&nbsp;a change of
attitude (METANOIAS)&nbsp;was no place&nbsp;found." The verse is stating that
"no change of attitude could be found in Esau." It is not stating that Esau
"could bring about a change of mind" as if&nbsp;Esau had been&nbsp;wanting to
repent.&nbsp; Esau is being searched for 'any' sign of repentance (change of
mind/attitude) by the Lord, and <STRONG>'none' </STRONG>was found. What an
indictment against Esau. The Christian, who is to seek peace and holiness, is to
continually take care of the grace of God.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>En Xpistw,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rev Bryant J. Williams III</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
  <A title=jwaldrip@baptists.org href="mailto:jwaldrip@baptists.org">Dr. John S.
  Waldrip</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu
  href="mailto:b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu">Biblical Greek</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:00
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [b-greek] Isaac or Esau?</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">In Hebrews 12.17 is found the
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  <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Question:</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Do you think this refers to Esau or to
  <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Why?</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">John S. Waldrip</FONT></DIV>---<BR>B-Greek
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