From: George Blaisdell (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Sun Sep 23 2001 - 16:25:48 EDT
"Be not troubling of you the heart..."
>From: "Wayne Leman" [heavily snipped and smooshed w/other posts]
>I do not understand PANTAS in 1 Tim. 2:4 to mean "all without exception."
>Perhaps it means more like "the entire set", ...I want to make clear that
>I'm not thinking about enumeration of each individual within a set. ...The
>point is that the author uses specific examples of what he means by PANTWN
>ANQRWPWN, which indicates that he has prayer for individuals in mind and
>that PANTWN ANQRWPWN therefore must mean "all kinds" rather than "all
>without exception." In light of the fact that this prayer and thanksgiving
>is not simply of the "God-bless-the-whole-wide-world" variety, it is hard
>to take PANTWN as all-inclusive, since it is simply impossible to pray for
>every individual under heaven.
This gets almost medievally convoluted in thinking and talking about what I
always took to be really a simple and obvious meaning - ALL MEN, EVEN KINGS
- not meaning all inclusive - For we all know that there are men we don't
even know exist - But in the sense of NON-EXCLUSION. We should not even
exclude kings, shocking as that might sound!
Or am I missing the whole point of the discussion?
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