From: Rob Matlack (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Wed Oct 03 2001 - 11:10:56 EDT
Add to Pual's list for 12:1 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition: "spiritual
Rob Matlack email@example.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schmehl [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:26 PM
> To: Biblical Greek
> Subject: [b-greek] Re: What To Do With PNEUMATIKOS
> Dr. Powers, you asked if any versions did not translate PNEUMATIKOS and
> PNEUMATIKA as "spiritual gifts".
> The Revised Version, Oxford University Press has "gifts" in
> italics, as does
> the 1599 Geneva Bible.
> Young's Literal Translation renders it "spiritual things" in both
> 1 Cor 12:1
> and 14:1.
> The 1889 Darby Bible renders it "spiritual" and then in italics
> The 1965 Bible in Basic English renders it "things of the spirit" in 12:1
> and "things which the spirit gives" in 14:1.
> I've always understood PNEUMATIKOS to mean "things of the spirit" or
> "spiritual matters".
> Paul Schmehl email@example.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. Ward Powers" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: "Biblical Greek" <email@example.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:31 PM
> Subject: [b-greek] What To Do With PNEUMATIKOS
> > Fellow b-greekers:
> > A couple of questions about what to do with PNEUMATIKOS.
> > The adjective PNEUMATIKOS is found in 1 Corinthians 12:1 and 14:1 in the
> > plural forms PNEUMATIKWN and PNEUMATIKA respectively, where
> this is almost
> > universally rendered, in the different translations, as
> "spiritual gifts".
> > Ditto lots of commentaries on this epistle. The first of these forms,
> > PNEUMATIKWN, is thus being taken as neuter (the same form is also
> > masculine), apparently on the basis that the second use is unambiguously
> > neuter. The word also occurs in this epistle unambiguously in the
> > masculine, with the meaning "spiritual person" (see 2:15,
> 14:37); and with
> > the general meaning "spiritual" (see 10:3-4). See also its wider use in
> > (e.g.) Ephesians 6:12.
> > The standard lexica give as one of its meanings, "spiritual
> gift". Is this
> > a case of circular reasoning? (Thusly: In 1 Corinthians 12:1
> and 14:1 the
> > word PNEUMATIKOS is being used to mean "spiritual gift". Therefore
> > "spiritual gift" is part of its area of meaning. That is how we
> know it is
> > valid to translate it in 12:1 and 14:1 as "spiritual gift".)
> > Now a conclusion reached by a circular argument may possibly be correct.
> > But it has to be established as correct by something outside of and
> > independent of such circular reasoning: the circular reasoning does not
> > establish it.
> > Which leads to my first question:
> > Is there any use of the word PNEUMATIKOS (of course, outside of 1
> > Corinthians 12:1 and 14:1) where it clearly has the meaning "spiritual
> > gift"? In this connection one will need to note that when Paul wanted to
> > express the meaning "spiritual gift" he explicitly added in the word
> > CARISMA (CARISMA PNEUMATIKON, Romans 1:11).
> > As noted above, almost all translations give "spiritual gifts" as its
> > translation in 1 Corinthians 12:1 and 14:1. Those that insert section
> > headings then almost all go further and insert here also
> "Spiritual Gifts"
> > as the heading at the top of chapter 12. I am aware of only two
> > to this pattern.
> > J B Phillips's version translates in 12:1 as "in spiritual matters"
> > in 14:1 he has "gifts of the Spirit").
> > Richmond Lattimore, the renowned Classical scholar, renders 12:1 thusly:
> > "But concerning matters of the spirit, brothers, I would not have you
> > ignorant"; and for 14:1: "Pursue love, aspire to things spiritual".
> > Here then is my second question:
> > Are any b-greekers able to point me to any other translations
> which do NOT
> > render PNEUMATIKOS in either 12:1 or 14:1 as "spiritual gifts"?
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