[b-greek] Re: IOUDAIOUS TE KAI hELLHNAS (Rom 3:9)

From: Carl W. Conrad (cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu)
Date: Sun Oct 07 2001 - 09:30:41 EDT

At 10:31 PM +1000 10/7/01, George Athas wrote:
>I think Denniston is close to the mark, though his translations are
>perhaps a little too
>stark. He is on the right track in terms of the distinctive quality of the
>expression, but
>I don't think it's quite as strong as he translates.
>Contextually, in Romans, I think we need to go for the "not only Jews, but
>also the
>Greeks" reading. I wouldn't put it quite as starkly, but I think it's a valid

While I find Denniston a very valuable resource, I think that in Romans one
has to perceive it in terms of inclusiveness--or of NON-EXCLUSION of
either. I've always felt that one of the grandest formulations Paul ever
put to paper was Gal 3:28-- OUK ENI IOUDAIOS OUDE hELLHN, OUK ENI DOULOS
CRISTWi IHSOU. The remarkable thing here is the nullification of all the
criteria by which humanity establishes hierarchies: ethnic, social, gender,
and, I think implicitly, any others. I realize that some want to limit the
applicability of that assertion in ecclesiastical practice, I think that
Paul is aiming at the same end in Romans. Consequently I would render the
TE ... KAI as intensely as possible without emphasizing either of the two
elements over the other: either "Jews no less than Greeks ... " or "Jews
every bit as much as Greeks ..."

Carl W. Conrad
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