[b-greek] Re: 2 Cor 12:7

From: Iver Larsen (iver_larsen@sil.org)
Date: Sun Dec 16 2001 - 14:58:01 EST


> At 7:32 AM +0100 12/14/01, Iver Larsen wrote:
> >FEIDOMAI DE MH TIS EIS EME LOGISHTAI hUPER hO BLEPEI ME H AKOUEI EX EMOU
> >KAI THi hUPERBOLHi TWN APOKALUYEWN (DIO) hINA MH hUPERAIRWMAI EDOQH MOI
> >SKOLOY THi SARKI
> >
> >What is the function of the dative THi hUPERBOLHi TWN APOKALUYEWN?
> >Does the dative phrase belong to the previous sentence or the following?
>
> As a "silent grammarian (without portfolio)" I just want to say, after
> reading the exchange between Iver and Clay thus far, that for my part I
> would really prefer to take THi hUPERBOLHi TWN APOKALUYEWN with what
> precedes it and then punctuate after it with a period or raised dot. It
> seems to me that the phrase adds a particular reason for someone esteeming
> Paul too highly. To me it seems intolerable that the phrase
> should construe with a purpose clause introduced by a hINA that follows
it, and if the DIO
> is retained, I think it makes more sense as introducing a new sequence,
> "And for that reason, so that ..." But perhaps this is too traditional a
> view of the passage for anyone who's looking for something more far-out.
> --
> Carl W. Conrad

Your last sentence begs for a response.
As far as English (and Danish) Bible translations go, the traditional view
is to take the dative phrase with the purpose clause or at least the
following sentence rather than the previous one. I quoted the KJV as a
representative of the traditional view, but can add many more like RSV, NIV,
NCV, TEV, REB, NASB, JBPhillips, etc. It is only a few recent translations
that have left the tradition and tried to construe it with the preceding
sentence. It may be that the KJV was using a text without the DIO.
It is hard for me to see which is most "far-out" since both are awkward.
But if we take it with the preceding one, how would you explain the strange
KAI and the unmotivated dative? The dative is not the normal way of adding a
reason and the KAI does not connect with the previous sentence. If I
translate the first part as "I avoid (boasting) so that no one should credit
to me beyond that which they see me (doing) or hear from me" how can I get
that to fit with "and by the extraordinary revelations"? I just cannot
connect it with LOGISHTAI and i don't see what else to connect it with.
I am not looking for a final answer, Carl, and I know you won't offer one. I
am just trying to understand how you can possibly connect it with the
preceding sentence grammatically. I have read the NET, NLT and the few
others who try to translate KAI with "even", but their translations just do
not make sense to me.

Iver Larsen


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