From: c stirling bartholomew (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Tue Jan 29 2002 - 17:40:24 EST
on 1/29/02 12:39 PM, Iver Larsen wrote:
> 1 Thess 5:10 says
> hINA EITE GRHGORWMEN EITE KAQEUDWMEN hAMA SUN AUTWi ZHSWMEN.
> My question is about the sense of the two verbs. Let me suggest
> Does GRHGOREW here mean
> 1) be literally awake
> 2) be watchful, alert, spiritually awake
> 3) be physically alive
> Does KAQEUDW here mean
> 1) be literally asleep
> 2) be dull, spiritually asleep
> 3) be physically dead
> I could look the words up in the dictionary, which I have. But I have
> reasons to be suspicious of the dictionaries for this particular instance,
> because they suggest a sense for these two words in this particular context
> that is different from the senses attested in all other occurrences of the
> same words in the GNT. It is implied in the context of 1 Thess 5:10 that the
> two verbs refers to the time/event of the parousia.
Note that OI EGRHGOROI in various forms is used about 12 times in 1 Enoch
1-32 (Codex Panopolitanus) for angelic beings both good and evil. Does this
have any impact on 1 Thess 5:10? Probably not. However, it is a bit of
lexical data you may not have encountered in the standard lexicons.
Also, note that John Nelson Darby* goes with option #3. And of course Darby
is right, isn't he?
Clayton Stirling Bartholomew
Three Tree Point
P.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
*pages 107-8, Darby, John Nelson Synopsis of the Books of the Bible: Vol 5:
Colossians - RevelationLondon: G Morrish Cloth. 568 pages. Date ??? late
Off Topic Observation on Darby:
Just picked up my copy of Darby last night. Another curio. Gotta break this
habit of buying curio books just because the are somewhat rare. Actually, I
know a pastor in Oregon somewhere who collects old dispensationalists and I
am going to send him the book if I can locate him.
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