[b-greek] Re: Matthew 28:19,20

From: c stirling bartholomew (cc.constantine@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sun Mar 03 2002 - 15:07:59 EST

on 3/3/02 11:28 AM, Kevin Cauley wrote:

> So, getting back to the Greek. If there is no order to the participles,
> could one say that the main verb, MAQHTEUSATE is completed prior to the
> completion of the participles? Or, must we say that MAQHTEUSATE cannot be
> completed until both BAPTIZONTES and DIDASKONTES are completed? Asked
> another way, if the participles take their time from the lead verb, then can
> the participles be accomplished outside of the activity in the lead verb?


I am agreeing more or less with Ward Powers comment:

Ward Powers wrote:
> It seems to me that these participles COULD be taken as contemporaneous with
> the main verb, even as indicating the INSTRUMENT for achieving the activity
> of the main verb, or else as following the main verb in a sequence (as I
> would hold), and the choice between these alternatives cannot be made on
> grammatical grounds (for grammatically they are all valid possibilities) but
> will be chosen on the basis of one's theological bias.

I don't think you can solve your question based on a statistical analysis of
the use of participles following the finite verb. This is a question of
methodology. How are we going to read Greek. If someone forced me to take a
position on this question I would say "the participles COULD be taken as
contemporaneous with the main verb" and leave it at that. I don't see any
way that the question can be resolved by talking about statistical patterns
related to temporal sequence (contra Iver). This approach has it's defenders
and I am willing to let them defend it, but it eventually comes down to
arguments about epistemology which is off topic for b-greek.

In other words, I would suggest you back up and take a look at your
question. Ask yourself is there something wrong with the way I am posing
this question?

This thread is now quite long and I don't intend to go on talking about it.



Clayton Stirling Bartholomew
Three Tree Point
P.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062

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