[b-greek] RE: Bible Software- Powerful Search Engine?

From: Moon-Ryul Jung (moon@sogang.ac.kr)
Date: Thu Mar 14 2002 - 18:48:19 EST


Hi,
I heard of BibleWorks a lot. But let me
explain what kind of search I want more clearly.

Surely you have heard of parts of speech.
I want to use those parts as patterns for search.

NP = noun phrase,
  NP = noun, or article + noun,
        article + noun + prepositional phrase, etc.
 
VP = verb phrase,
S = sentence
Prep = preposition
Adv = Adverbial
Ad = adverb
Conj = conjunction
Part = participial clause
art = article
nom = nominative case,
gen = genitive case,
dat = dative case,
acc = accusative case,
etc.

I would like to form queries like:

(1) Find sentences S such that
S = NP [nom] APOKRINOMAI [aor,3rd pers] NP [dat].
 
(2) S = APOKRINOMAI [aor, 3rd pers] Part [nom]

The point is that I want to simply say "noun phrase"
than "any NOUN any". For one thing, the second way is
ambiguous, and it is not easy to specify such any's in
the right places.

Does BibleWorks support that kind of search interface?

Moon
Moon R. Jung
Sogang Univ, Seoul, Korea


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> Moon,
>
> I am sure that BibleWorks will do what you want. For example I easily set up
> a search in the whole Greek Bible (OT & NT, one can search just the NT) for
> any verb in the indicative any person, number, tense, voice followed by EPI
> followed by a noun in any case, gender, number. (All of the "anys" could be
> designated.) On my PIII 600 MHz computer the search took 122 seconds and
> revealed 397 instances. I would be happy to test any other search you would
> like. Please write out what you are looking for. I did not follow your
> notation. One can also do mixed version searches, i.e. NRS, Hebrew, and a
> choice of Greek texts, search to compare and contrast different Greek texts,
> etc. It is a great program with unbelievable support.
>
> Rob Matlack united_by_truth@yahoo.com
> Minneapolis, KS
> "I can only say that I am nothing but a poor sinner, trusting in Christ
> alone for salvation"--R. E. Lee
> "It is not our task to secure the triumph of truth, but merely to fight on
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Moon-Ryul Jung [mailto:moon@sogang.ac.kr]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:28 AM
> > To: Biblical Greek
> > Subject: [b-greek] Bible Software- Powerful Search Engine?
> >
> >
> > There have been some discussions on Bible Software.
> > I myself use BiBle Windows. It is OK. But I find the search
> > function is far below my expectation. I am a computer scientist
> > who did some computational linguistics or natural language processing.
> > So I am familiar with a tree-like sentence analysis as follows:
> >
> > S -> NP VP
> > VP -> VP ADV
> > VP -> V NP
> > ADV -> Prep NP
> > NP -> ....
> >
> > I wonder if there are any search engines where I type in a sentence or
> > phrase pattern at levels higher than word levels. For example, I would
> > like to request: search sentences which have the pattern of the form
> > NP VP Participial. Or VP epi NP Or VP eis NP or VP en NP, etc.
> >
> > Are there any candidates for this kind of search?
> >
> > Moon
> > Moon R. Jung
> > Sogang Univ, Seoul, Korea
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> Moon,
>
> I am sure that BibleWorks will do what you want. For example I easily set up
> a search in the whole Greek Bible (OT & NT, one can search just the NT) for
> any verb in the indicative any person, number, tense, voice followed by EPI
> followed by a noun in any case, gender, number. (All of the "anys" could be
> designated.) On my PIII 600 MHz computer the search took 122 seconds and
> revealed 397 instances. One can also do mixed version searches, i.e. NRS,
> Hebrew, and a choice of Greek texts, search to compare and contrast
> different Greek texts, etc. It is a great program with unbelievable support.
>
> Rob Matlack united_by_truth@yahoo.com
> Minneapolis, KS
> "I can only say that I am nothing but a poor sinner, trusting in Christ
> alone for salvation"--R. E. Lee
> "It is not our task to secure the triumph of truth, but merely to fight on
> it's behalf."--Blaise Pascal
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Moon-Ryul Jung [mailto:moon@sogang.ac.kr]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:28 AM
> > To: Biblical Greek
> > Subject: [b-greek] Bible Software- Powerful Search Engine?
> >
> >
> > There have been some discussions on Bible Software.
> > I myself use BiBle Windows. It is OK. But I find the search
> > function is far below my expectation. I am a computer scientist
> > who did some computational linguistics or natural language processing.
> > So I am familiar with a tree-like sentence analysis as follows:
> >
> > S -> NP VP
> > VP -> VP ADV
> > VP -> V NP
> > ADV -> Prep NP
> > NP -> ....
> >
> > I wonder if there are any search engines where I type in a sentence or
> > phrase pattern at levels higher than word levels. For example, I would
> > like to request: search sentences which have the pattern of the form
> > NP VP Participial. Or VP epi NP Or VP eis NP or VP en NP, etc.
> >
> > Are there any candidates for this kind of search?
> >
> > Moon
> > Moon R. Jung
> > Sogang Univ, Seoul, Korea
> >
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