To: TonyProst@aol.com From: "Carl W. Conrad" Subject: Re: The Duty to Translate: Was: Re: Notitia Dignitatum Cc: Biblical Greek Bcc: "Ä:List messages Ä alias:B-Greek" X-Attachments: At 3:53 PM -0600 12/1/98, TonyProst@aol.com wrote: >Dear Professor Conrad, > > I respect absolutely your vast erudition and deep learning, on > which I count >regularly when I sign on line. With that said, let me say, I find your >attitude regrettably jaundiced. You are satisfied with the way things are. In this instance, I think you caught the skeptical tenor of my post as a whole and have missed some of the particular points I was trying to make about the enthusiastic promotion of a proposition that scholars have a moral obligation to translate hitherto untranslated works. It seems to me that there are some unexamined assumptions here, and I attempted to call attention to some of them in what I wrote yesterday. Let me put some of this in the form of questions: Does every untranslated work in Greek or Latin deserve to be translated into a modern language? Is everything that has been written and that has survived of such importance that those who can't read Greek or Latin ought to have access to it? Given the fact that we know that some of the best has not survived (Ovid's tragedy "Medea," Varius' tragedy "Thyestes", scores of plays by Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides not included in the schoolbook anthologies of seven of each, etc.) and we have good reason to surmise that pure chance has preserved a vast amount of what has survived that was written antiquity, how are we to distinguish between what is relatively important and what is relatively unimportant? Is any discrimination at all to be exercised in this matter? >Fine, don't translate. However, I am not as certain as you that nothing >remains to be done. I, myself, found what I consider to be a gem, the >Paraphrase of Nonnos, as a passing reference in a chapter on Christian >history. It is full of poetry that has been effectively lost for 1500 years, >beautiful language and interesting literary effects. I think it unlikely that >I serendipitously chanced upon the only work of merit not rendered into >English. I do, in fact, translate, but what I have worked on is authors that have been translated by others (in particular Pindar and Catullus) and I am far from convinced that my translations deserve publication beyond what I use for teaching. Later in your post you talked about the fact that Homer has been repeatedly translated and that there are even several recent versions of Homer (e.g., Lattimore, Fitzgerald, Fagles) that are highly esteemed. I happen to believe that it is precisely these major classics of antiquity that most deserve to be set forth into the modern tongues afresh in every generation or so--and I think that those equipped to do it are few--because they have to be as talented artists in the modern tongue as they are competent scholars of the ancient tongue. Some silly rhetorical questions might illuminate what is at stake: Is a bad translation better than no translation? Should everyone who wants to translate do it? How much competence in the original tongue and literature is enough to enable one to translate? If everything that has survived is not equally worth translating, who decides what is worth it and how? Finally, with regard to Nonnos, about whom I confess to know all too little, I have visited your web site, found it very interesting, but nevertheless find myself wondering: is Nonnos simply interesting (he is at least that, I readily grant) or is he also important? If he is important, how or for what is he important? Does he illuminate our understanding of the gospel of John, or does he illuminate our understanding of how the gospel of John was understood in the fifth century? Perhaps one of the more curious questions is this: why are you relying upon an edition more than 100 years old for your Greek text of Nonnos? If Nonnos really is important, it would seem to me that getting someone to work on an up-to-date critical text might be more urgent than translating one that old. In sum, the concerns I raised in my post yesterday were not meant to express any complacency with the way things are nor to discourage the efforts of those who want to translate the untranslated; they were chiefly a suggestion that a moral imperative to translate the untranslated works of antiquity deserves some thought prior to its issuance. I have been reminded by this that a couple decades ago it was urged that classical scholars ought to turn their research away from Homer and Aeschylus and Sophocles and Vergil and Horace and focus upon the more obscure Hellenistic figures like Dionysius Skutobrachion. Some of that has in fact been done, but not an awful lot. The authentic classics will continue to be classics and will continue to be the major focus of scholarship and new translations. And while it may very well be that some authentic gems have been slipped through the cracks, it behooves those who discover them to bring them to public attention. Finally, I think this is an inappropriate forum for discussion of this topic; I don't know that we've offended any list-members with it (other than each other? ;-) ), but our concern here is really with Biblical Greek, and I'm not sure how many of our subscribers may feel this discussion misplaced in this forum. Carl W. 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