On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:57:57 GMT "B.J. Williamson" writes: > > >By the way, I just checked the first passage, Mt 3:11, and found > >EN hUDATI ... EN PNEUMATI hAHIWi KAI PURI translated (NKJV) > >"with water ... with the Holy Spirit and fire." > > > >That is, why not just take it consistently throughout as: I > baptize > >with water ... but He will baptize with holy spirit and fire? > > > >Paul > > > Does it not seem apparent to all that this discussion should have > concluded a long time ago? I surely hope not. Neither Dale or Dennis (two previous posts on this) give that impression. Furthermore, Dale's contribution here has only added more interest, at least for some of us. > > I would not say these suggested translations by Paul are "bad" > Greek; I would say that they are "not" Greek, at all. Paul has decided how he > will "interpret" this, so is there anything left to say? If you think they are not Greek at all, then please clarify. Nobody else seems to be thinking along these lines of your's, certainly not Abbott in his commentary in the ICC series. > Paul is guilty of imposing his (false) theology into this passage, > but we all do that occasionally. The point is that when we get "caught," we > must humbly acknowledge it. If that does not take place, move on. What theology do you think I am imposing? Do you suggest that because I am questioning whether EN PNEUMATI in Eph 5:18 necessarily refers to a filling by the Holy Spirit, then I am imposing false theology? No, you have drawn a false conclusion if you think so. I certainly am not reading any particular theology into my consideration here. I happen to have a very high view of the work of the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean I have to take PNEUMATI here as referring to the person of the Holy Spirit. It seems to me, on the other hand, that if the noun is anarthrous and if the contrast is with another anarthrous noun, OINWi, and if OINWi does not refer to a particular wine, and > I, for one, vote we move on. I thought we were moving on. Perhaps the heading now should be changed to reflect the progress, something like "Likelihood of definiteness of anarthrous nouns in prepositional constructs," a bit lengthy, to be sure. Paul Dixon --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu