>At 02:40 AM 7/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>
>>Sorry, this IS a Greek phrase and Greek alone; no Latin here to be
found
>>whatsoever!
>>The Church in Rome uses this Greek phrase even now because for the
first 200
>>years,
>>Roman Christians celebrated their liturgy mostly in Greek and NOT in
Latin.
>>Dimitri
>
>All those latin speakers who performed the litutgy for 1000 years in
that
>language will be amazed that they were not using a latin phrase. I
am
>sorry, but you are wrong as can be. This
phrase is indeed latin, and it was
>indeed used by the latin speaking church for over a millenium.
>
>It might very well be a greek phrase- but the question originally
posed had
>to do with a song. the song's writer was interviewed about it and per
his
>own testimony he admitted adopting the phrase from the church
liturgy.
Jim is both right and wrong. KURIE ELEHSON ME is, as noted earlier by
others, Greek. Just as AMHN and HALLELOUIA are Hebrew. Both are also
loan words into Latin, German, English, and God a;lone knows how many
other languages.
One must distinguish origins and usage! Jim is correct that many
speakers of Latin, after the phrase came into regular use, probably
thought it was Latin. Just as ANAPHORA and EPICLESIS, though certainly
Greek in origin, are now regular liturgical terms. Ask any older priest
what the TE IGITUR is and he will talk about the Canon (another Greek
work) of the Mass.
Older Lutherans still speak of the Te Deum, the Gloria in Excelsis, and
Introits--without knowing any Latin.
Jim got overly enthusiastic in his words above. An historical linguist
would point out what I did above. A descriptive lexicographer would
agree with Jim.
This is one of those non-productive arguments. ;-)
Peace, Ed Krentz
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