On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:25:13 +0200 "Thomas J. Kraus" writes: > Dear B-Greekers, [snip] > The following sentence struck me a little bit, above all after > having read > some alternative translations: > > KAI DWSW AUTOIS KALON BAPTISMA EN SWQHRIAi ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS hHN > KALOUSIN > EN TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi > "and I will give them a good/nice baptism in the salvation of the > Acherusian lake, which one calls in the Elysian field" > or "... in the salvation of what is called the Acherusian lake in > the > Elysian field" > or "... in the salvation of the Acherusian lake, of which people > say, (it > is) in the Elysian field" [Ghilardi] Here's my rendering: and I will give them a fine baptism in the saving waters of the Acherusian lake which is dubbed "the Elysian Field" The comparison is primarily and specificly a geographical one between ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS and TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi. But more generally speaking, it is the saving quality of the Acherusian lake that is compared to the Elysian Field. The latter has no reference to BAPTISMA and only a general and indirect one to SWQHRIAi despite the formal structural parallelism: EN SWQHRIAi EN TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi [Kraus] > Well, I regard hHN refering back to the accusative of KALON BAPTISMA > (which > is given in the lake). [Ghilardi] This cannot be since BAPTISMA is neuter and hHN points back to a feminine antecendent. So it must point back to either SWQHRIAi or ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS or to the entire phrase SWQHRIAi ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS. My preference is indicated above. Yours in His grace, Richard Ghilardi -- qodeshlayhvh@juno.com New Haven, CT USA Nibai kaurno hwaiteis gadriusando in airtha gaswiltith, silbo ainata aflifnith: ith jabai gaswiltith, manag akran bairith. --- B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: [jwrobie@mindspring.com] To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-b-greek-327Q@franklin.oit.unc.edu To subscribe, send a message to subscribe-b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu