From masonjd@y12.doe.gov Thu May 17 21:09:40 2007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WJYUV//7KI9dIcGZdlyXXw)" Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:08:14 -0400 From: "Mason, James David (MXM)" Subject: RE: DIS 29500 Contradiction of ISO/IEC 26300, part 3 To: patrick@durusau.net, Dave Welsh , Doug Mahugh , Frank Farance , Jerry Smith , Jon Bosak , "Levine, Leonard F CIV DISA GES-E" , Norm Walsh , "Lynne A. Price" , Rex Jaeschke , Richard Barber , Robert Weir , Steve Carton , Tim Schoechle , Kevin Trainor , Eduardo Gutentag X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-topic: DIS 29500 Contradiction of ISO/IEC 26300, part 3 Thread-index: AceYgPMO4HiX5eJyQKm0OOPrbHDWXAAf/mlS X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2007 04:08:16.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[293E6DD0:01C79902] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WJYUV//7KI9dIcGZdlyXXw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I was reading some on Macintosh sites tonight and noticed a report on Microsoft's stand-alone converter from OOXML to the older binary for Word, made available for Macintosh because the new version of Office for Mac has not been released yet. The converter, which was released recently, is evidence that MS, at least, knows what the mapping is. That the converter is a stand-alone piece of software is evidence of a mapping that is independent of running Word. I haven't downloaded it yet, and I don't have any sort of comprehensive test suite (and my employer has not yet even announced an intention of moving to Office 2007, so I don't have a copy to generate OOXML files), so I don't know what kinks it has. But at least the thing exists. I note in the article that the converter involves some 9000 files (or more than one per page of 29500), so it's a nontrivial thing. Here's the link: http://blogs.business2.com/apple/2007/05/office_file_con.html Jim Mason -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:patrick@durusau.net] Sent: Thu 5/17/2007 7:18 AM To: Dave Welsh; Doug Mahugh; Frank Farance; Jerry Smith; Jon Bosak; Levine, Leonard F CIV DISA GES-E; Norm Walsh; Lynne A. Price; Rex Jaeschke; Richard Barber; Robert Weir; Steve Carton; Tim Schoechle; Mason, James David (MXM); Kevin Trainor; Eduardo Gutentag Subject: DIS 29500 Contradiction of ISO/IEC 26300, part 3 Greetings! Continuing with the contradiction thread, I think the next question is as follows: 3. Does anyone disagree with the statement that ISO/IEC 26300 does not in fact specify a mapping from the binary formats of Microsoft Office 97-2003 to the XML format that it defines? We do have to decide what is the coverage of both existing standards and any proposed new standards in order to evaluate whether a "contradiction" exists or not. As a co-editor of ISO/IEC 26300 I can attest that I have never seen such a mapping, despite having read the 26300 multiple times. That is *not* a comment on whether ISO/IEC 26300 is capable of representing the binary formats of Microsoft Office 97-2003 in the format it defines. (See my comments on what it means to "represent" a binary format in XML, which appear in part 5 of this series of posts.) Hope everyone is having a great day! Patrick -- Patrick Durusau Patrick@Durusau.net Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model Member, Text Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005 Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work! --Boundary_(ID_WJYUV//7KI9dIcGZdlyXXw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT RE: DIS 29500 Contradiction of ISO/IEC 26300, part 3

I was reading some on Macintosh sites tonight and noticed a report on Microsoft's stand-alone converter from OOXML to the older binary for Word, made available for Macintosh because the new version of Office for Mac has not been released yet.

The converter, which was released recently, is evidence that MS, at least, knows what the mapping is. That the converter is a stand-alone piece of software is evidence of a mapping that is independent of running Word. I haven't downloaded it yet, and I don't have any sort of comprehensive test suite (and my employer has not yet even announced an intention of moving to Office 2007, so I don't have a copy to generate OOXML files), so I don't  know what kinks it has. But at least the thing exists.

I note in the article that the converter involves some 9000 files (or more than one per page of 29500), so it's a nontrivial thing.

Here's the link: http://blogs.business2.com/apple/2007/05/office_file_con.html

Jim  Mason


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Subject: DIS 29500 Contradiction of ISO/IEC 26300, part 3

Greetings!

Continuing with the contradiction thread, I think the next question is
as follows:

3. Does anyone disagree with the statement that ISO/IEC 26300 does not
in fact specify a mapping from the binary formats of Microsoft Office
97-2003 to the XML format that it defines?

We do have to decide what is the coverage of both existing standards and
any proposed new standards in order to evaluate whether a
"contradiction" exists or not.

As a co-editor of ISO/IEC 26300 I can attest that I have never seen such
a mapping, despite having read the 26300 multiple times.

That is *not* a comment on whether ISO/IEC 26300 is capable of
representing the binary formats of Microsoft Office 97-2003 in the
format it defines. (See my comments on what it means to "represent" a
binary format in XML, which appear in part 5 of this series of posts.)

Hope everyone is having a great day!

Patrick

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Patrick Durusau
Patrick@Durusau.net
Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
Member, Text Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005

Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!





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