From rex@RexJaeschke.com Tue May 29 08:50:07 2007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:49:28 -0400 From: Rex Jaeschke Subject: RE: Electronic Annexes - Update In-reply-to: <465C10EC.1090906@durusau.net> To: patrick@durusau.net, "'Dave Welsh'" , "'Doug Mahugh'" , "'Frank Farance'" , "'Jerry Smith'" , "'Jon Bosak'" , "'Levine, Leonard F CIV DISA GES-E'" , "'Norm Walsh'" , "'Lynne A. Price'" , "'Richard Barber'" , "'Robert Weir'" , "'Steve Carton'" , "'Tim Schoechle'" , "'Mason, James David (MXM)'" , "'Kevin Trainor'" , "'Eduardo Gutentag'" , "'Ron Silletti'" , Tom.Ngo@nextpage.com, joseph.messina@bp.com Organization: C#, VB, .NET, C, C++, Java Seminars and Consulting Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Aceh5hpZKm6t66x/T3y39yFbhFAKigAIPTiA X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 I was editor of an Ecma standard that was Fast-Tracked and became ISO/IEC 23271, "Common Language Infrastructure" in 2003. This standard includes a large object-oriented type library (now with 330+ types). The complete specification of this library exists as a 6-7 MB XML and DTD, which, together, make up the normative spec for this library. When one gets a copy of this standard, the documents come as PDFs and these electronic files come in a zip. The idea was for users/vendors to be able to pull the complete description of the library into their own tools (for on-line help, and such). Since that much XML is less-than easy to read, we also rendered it to a series of Word DOC files, which were then distilled to PDF. Both these renderings, and the source of the tool used to generate the DOC files from the XML are included in an accompanying TR, ISO/IEC TR 23272. But only the XML version is normative. When we originally spoke to ISO about using this format for the library, they very quickly said that they saw no need to publish in document form the 1,000s of pages that XML would require if simply rendered in raw text form. This standard and TR were revised extensively and resubmitted via Fast Track, and re-published in 2006. As a result of this experience, I saw no problem in not including a text version of the electronic files in the PDF part of the OpenXML spec. BTW, as has been mentioned by someone else, SC34 can ask for Fast-Tracked standards and TRs to be added to the Freely-Available list on ISO's website. I've done that for 6 Ecma Fast Tracks via SC22. Rex ---------------- Rex Jaeschke http://www.RexJaeschke.com Skype: RexJaeschke 2051 Swans Neck Way, Reston, VA, 20191-4023, USA Phone: +1 703 860-0091, Fax: +1 703 860-3008 > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:patrick@durusau.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:39 AM > To: Dave Welsh; Doug Mahugh; Frank Farance; Jerry Smith; Jon Bosak; > Levine, Leonard F CIV DISA GES-E; Norm Walsh; Lynne A. Price; Rex > Jaeschke; Richard Barber; Robert Weir; Steve Carton; Tim Schoechle; > Mason, James David (MXM); Kevin Trainor; Eduardo Gutentag; Ron > Silletti; Tom.Ngo@nextpage.com; joseph.messina@bp.com > Subject: Electronic Annexes - Update > > Greetings! > > Background: Ecma submitted as part of DIS 29500 a set of electronic > annexes and several questions have arisen about the status of those > annexes in the ISO process. > > Research: I have been unable to find any information in the Directives > concerning the publication of electronic annexes. > > I asked Richard Cook of ISO to confirm that ISO/IEC 26300 (ODF) was > published without electronic annexes. I got an email from his this > morning confirming that it was published without electronic annexes. > (By > way of explanation, ODF was published by OASIS with the schemas that > appear in the document extracted to separate files for easy use. They > are identical to the schema that appears in the document itself.) > > Suggestion: I think that suggests that we need to evaluate what is > included in DIS 29500 of the electronic annexes (is anything left only > to the electronic annexes?) and if so, how to cure that problem. (On > the > assumption that electronic annexes are not going to be published by > ISO, > understanding that it is the act of publication that confers IS > status.) > > I hope everyone enjoyed the long weekend! > > Patrick > > -- > Patrick Durusau > Patrick@Durusau.net > Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface > Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model > Member, Text Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005 > > Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work! >