From owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org Sat Jul 14 09:48:16 2007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:45:42 -0400 From: Patrick Durusau Subject: Re: INCITS-V1: PLEASE PROOF: Draft Minutes of the V1 Meeting on 2007-07-13 In-reply-to: <004501c7c62f$a28c1340$e7a439c0$@com> Sender: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org To: incits-v1@incits-v1.org Reply-to: incits-v1@incits-v1.org X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1184431581-7238001c0000-E618Iy X-Barracuda-URL: http://10.10.100.8:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: unknown[66.110.197.207] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1184431581 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: INCITS-V1: PLEASE PROOF: Draft Minutes of the V1 Meeting on 2007-07-13 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at insimail.com Stephen, Stephen Peront wrote: > Hi Patrick... > > With all due respect... > > I disagree that the committee attempted to reach any consensus... During the > first straw poll, we were only 6% from a consensus, no other straw poll even > came close, and yet there was no attempt to get consensus towards the first > straw poll.. The few people who suggested that we should work towards that > consensus were denied every attempt to motion. > > Actually as I recall the meeting we had three straw polls and then extensive discussion followed by three formal motions on positions, none of which resulted in a consensus position. And those formal motions occurred after the meeting had to be extended to even reach those. There was no change in the substantive propositions before the committee such that another vote would have been likely to achieve a different result. Usually working towards a compromise means some alternative proposition (in this case a forth position) is advanced to see if that acquires the necessary support to be a consensus. Simply repeating votes on the same propositions is not a mechanism for reaching compromise. But, if it would be more acceptable, and I am not suggesting this as final language, I could report that the committee was unable to reach a consensus on any of the positions set forth in its charge from INCITS. > I also do not remember ever seeing a motion or anything of the likes to send > comments even if we could not come to consensus; and if we were to ask that > question, my vote would be to not send comments. As a committee we owe it to > those who have asked us to make a recommendation to make it our first > priority to make a recommendation; and second priority to comment on the > spec. > > I stand corrected. That motion was made and passed at our meeting on June 25, 2007. Thanks for catching the error! BTW, finding errors in a proposal is equally important to development of a recommendation. That is what makes ISO standards different. Hope you are having a great day! Patrick > Have an awesome day! > > Thanks, > -Stephen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org [mailto:owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org] > On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:12 AM > To: incits-v1@incits-v1.org > Subject: Re: INCITS-V1: PLEASE PROOF: Draft Minutes of the V1 Meeting on > 2007-07-13 > > Stepen, > > Stephen Peront wrote: > >> Hi Rex... >> >> >> >> > I am preparing a separate response on the minutes. > >> On a different note; since we were not able to reach consensus, what >> recommendation are we going to make? >> >> "We have no recommendation" >> >> >> > I am crafting some language that reflects that the committee attempted > to reach a consensus on a position but failed. However, that the > committee does submit the comments (as we agreed in Washington) to > accompany the US position that is submitted by the EB. > > Hope you are having a great day! > > Patrick > >> Have an awesome day! >> >> Thanks, >> -Stephen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org [mailto:owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org] >> On Behalf Of Rex Jaeschke >> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:51 PM >> To: V1 >> Subject: INCITS-V1: PLEASE PROOF: Draft Minutes of the V1 Meeting on >> 2007-07-13 >> >> Hi all, >> >> Attached are the draft minutes from today's INCITS/V1 meeting. >> >> Rex >> >> ---------------- >> Rex Jaeschke www.RexJaeschke.com Skype: RexJaeschke >> 2051 Swans Neck Way, Reston, VA, 20191-4023, USA >> Phone: +1 703 860-0091, Fax: +1 703 860-3008 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Acting Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Co-Editor, OpenDocument Format (OASIS, ISO/IEC 26300)