From owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org Sat Jul 14 11:37:11 2007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xL0M4VsaKUjZJBABfWC9EQ)" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:34:50 -0400 From: Dave Rensin Subject: RE: INCITS-V1: PLEASE PROOF: Draft Minutes of the V1 Meeting on 2007-07-13 In-reply-to: Sender: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org To: incits-v1@incits-v1.org Reply-to: incits-v1@incits-v1.org X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-topic: INCITS-V1: PLEASE PROOF: Draft Minutes of the V1 Meeting on 2007-07-13 Thread-index: AcfGQkbFPnIJfl0CT/64n5YwV8rDIgAA0BLg X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_xL0M4VsaKUjZJBABfWC9EQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Umm... As someone who *did* join late in the process, I'll chalk the preceding to emotions, because - frankly - them thar' is fightin' words.. -dave David K. Rensin drensin@realitymobile.com CEO Reality Mobile LLC http://www.realitymobile.com m: (703) 431-7766 From: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org [mailto:owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org] On Behalf Of robert_weir@us.ibm.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:10 PM To: incits-v1@incits-v1.org Subject: RE: INCITS-V1: PLEASE PROOF: Draft Minutes of the V1 Meeting on 2007-07-13 owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org wrote on 07/14/2007 01:40:16 PM: > > Rob, I have a hard time following the logic you're using here. Why > should we try to build consensus for the LEAST popular of the three > options we voted on? That seems to fly in the face of common sense, > if our goal is truly to build a position that represents the > consensus of the members. > "Popular" and "consensus" have somewhat distorted meanings when we're talking about a committee that Microsoft stuffed with a dozen business partners at the last minute, who then voted lock-step with them on every ballot. Remember INCITS is intended to reflect an industry view, not favoring any one company or interest. I suppose, Doug, that you would have been happier if you had found just one more Microsoft Gold Certified Partner to join the committee, so then you could say you had "consensus" on a Yes position? Sorry, but this is a farce. The fact that you did not get a 2/3 vote is more from Microsoft's incompetence in stuffing the committee than for lack of discussion time. Better luck next time. It takes a lot of chutzpah to stuff the committee and then complain about lack of consensus. -Rob --Boundary_(ID_xL0M4VsaKUjZJBABfWC9EQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Umm… As someone who *did* join late in the process, I’ll chalk the preceding to emotions, because – frankly – them thar’ is fightin’ words..

 

-dave

 

David K. Rensin

drensin@realitymobile.com

CEO

Reality Mobile LLC

http://www.realitymobile.com

 

m: (703) 431-7766

 

From: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org [mailto:owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org] On Behalf Of robert_weir@us.ibm.com
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owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org wrote on 07/14/2007 01:40:16 PM:

>
> Rob, I have a hard time following the logic you're using here.  Why
> should we try to build consensus for the LEAST popular of the three
> options we voted on?  That seems to fly in the face of common sense,
> if our goal is truly to build a position that represents the
> consensus of the members.
>


"Popular" and "consensus" have somewhat distorted meanings when we're talking about a committee that Microsoft stuffed with a dozen business partners at the last minute, who then voted lock-step with them on every ballot.  Remember INCITS is intended to reflect an industry view, not favoring any one company or interest.  I suppose, Doug, that you would have been happier if you had found just one more Microsoft Gold Certified Partner to join the committee, so then you could say you had "consensus" on a Yes position?  Sorry, but this is a farce.  The fact that you did not get a 2/3 vote is more from Microsoft's incompetence in stuffing the committee than for lack of discussion time. Better luck next time.

It takes a lot of chutzpah to stuff the committee and then complain about lack of consensus.

-Rob

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