From owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org Sat Jul 14 12:28:42 2007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lSmpnvzwczQuBWX+O7tgHw)" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:27:04 -0600 From: Tom Ngo Subject: RE: INCITS-V1: Remarks on the composition of the committee In-reply-to: <46991E97.5030308@durusau.net> Sender: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org To: incits-v1@incits-v1.org Reply-to: incits-v1@incits-v1.org X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-topic: INCITS-V1: Remarks on the composition of the committee Thread-index: AcfGSjGEum6BpJJlRGKnHbYOul/5kgAAGD4g X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_lSmpnvzwczQuBWX+O7tgHw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nicely put, Patrick. A presumption of good faith and confidence in = others' motivations will go a long way to helping us arrive at something = constructive. I have been sincerely impressed by what people from all = around the table can produce when we focus on objective issues and seek = as much to understand as to be understood. =20 I agree with the vacation suggestion (although I've violated it already = :). At our home we are celebrating La F=EAte Nationale with our French = exchange student. =20 Happy Bastille Day, Tom =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org = [mailto:owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 1:06 PM To: Incits-V1 Subject: INCITS-V1: Remarks on the composition of the committee =20 Ladies and Gentlemen! =20 I stopped briefly to have my afternoon snack only to return to find=20 posts concerning the composition of the committee. =20 This is *not* helpful. =20 Please, please. My job as chair is difficult enough as it is without=20 members of the committee starting to question why each other are=20 present, etc. =20 You are certainly free to have whatever opinions you like and to express = them however you wish, *in other forums*. =20 The V1 reflector is *not* the appropriate place for such discussions. =20 What I find deeply ironic is that as the co-editor of "another"=20 specification is that I have what I think is a good working relationship = with all members of V1. If anyone should be having problems it should be = me. But I'm not. I wonder why? =20 It is but speculation but I suspect that it is because I grant to=20 everyone a presumption of good faith and confidence that if we try very=20 hard and it is often very hard, that we will be able to do things that=20 we could not do separately, or at least not as well. =20 I realize that emotions are running high after our meeting yesterday=20 that failed to produce a recommendation for the INCITS EB. No one is=20 more aware of that than I am. I have to make the report of that failure. =20 Let me strongly suggest that everyone take a vacation until Monday and=20 then resume posting after having done something fun or at least not on=20 this topic over the weekend. We have much to far to go to start engaging = in personal comments and speculations about each other. =20 I cannot order anyone to do anything but I really think the foregoing is = good advice. =20 I hope everyone had a pleasant weekend away from this topic. =20 Patrick =20 --=20 Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Acting Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Co-Editor, OpenDocument Format (OASIS, ISO/IEC 26300) =20 --Boundary_(ID_lSmpnvzwczQuBWX+O7tgHw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Nicely put, Patrick. A presumption of good faith = and confidence in others’ motivations will go a long way to helping us = arrive at something constructive. I have been sincerely impressed by what = people from all around the table can produce when we focus on objective issues and = seek as much to understand as to be understood.

 

I agree with the vacation suggestion (although I’ve violated it = already :). At our home we are celebrating La F=EAte Nationale with our French = exchange student.

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Happy Bastille Day,

Tom

 

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From: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org = [mailto:owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 1:06 PM
To: Incits-V1
Subject: INCITS-V1: Remarks on the composition of the committee

 

Ladies and Gentlemen!

 

I stopped briefly to have my afternoon snack = only to return to find

posts concerning the composition of the = committee.

 

This is *not* helpful.

 

Please, please. My job as chair is difficult = enough as it is without

members of the committee starting to question = why each other are

present, etc.

 

You are certainly free to have whatever opinions = you like and to express

them however you wish, *in other = forums*.

 

The V1 reflector is *not* the appropriate place = for such discussions.

 

What I find deeply ironic is that as the = co-editor of "another"

specification is that I have what I think is a = good working relationship

with all members of V1. If anyone should be = having problems it should be

me. But I'm not. I wonder why?

 

It is but speculation but I suspect that it is = because I grant to

everyone a presumption of good faith and = confidence that if we try very

hard and it is often very hard, that we will be = able to do things that

we could not do separately, or at least not as = well.

 

I realize that emotions are running high after = our meeting yesterday

that failed to produce a recommendation for the = INCITS EB. No one is

more aware of that than I am. I have to make the = report of that failure.

 

Let me strongly suggest that everyone take a = vacation until Monday and

then resume posting after having done something = fun or at least not on

this topic over the weekend. We have much to far = to go to start engaging

in personal comments and speculations about each = other.

 

I cannot order anyone to do anything but I = really think the foregoing is

good advice.

 

I hope everyone had a pleasant weekend away from = this topic.

 

Patrick

 

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Patrick Durusau

patrick@durusau.net

Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34

Acting Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic = Maps)

Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic = Maps)

Co-Editor, OpenDocument Format (OASIS, ISO/IEC = 26300)

 

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