From owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org Mon Jul 16 20:15:21 2007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WxSX5PyFaPoEKZWnVasWzg)" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:10:18 -0400 From: "Mason, James David (MXM)" Subject: RE: INCITS-V1: Conditional approval (disapproval with comments) Sender: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org To: incits-v1@incits-v1.org Reply-to: incits-v1@incits-v1.org X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-topic: INCITS-V1: Conditional approval (disapproval with comments) Thread-index: AcfHvGxI9H7saz8ZQOSlWkOOcWZytgAY5S47 X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2007 03:12:01.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E50A650:01C7C820] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WxSX5PyFaPoEKZWnVasWzg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I second Jon's position. This is what I was trying to get across in the meeting, but people who seem not to understand ISO standards development weren't paying attention. Jim Mason Chairman, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 -----Original Message----- From: owner-incits-v1@incits-v1.org on behalf of jon.bosak@sun.com Sent: Mon 7/16/2007 11:13 AM To: incits-v1@incits-v1.org Subject: INCITS-V1: Conditional approval (disapproval with comments) Correction to the minutes of 13 July 2007: Sun Microsystems specifically requested several times during the meeting that the option recorded in the draft minutes as "Disapproval with comments" be recorded as "Conditional approval (disapproval with comments)." We observed that the language of 9.8 in the JTC1 Directives explicitly equates these two forms. That request was accepted with no objection. This change is important to Sun in ensuring that our position is correctly represented. We wish to make it completely clear that we support DIS 29500 becoming an ISO Standard and are in complete agreement with its stated purposes of enabling interoperability among different implementations and providing interoperable access to the legacy of Microsoft Office documents. Sun voted No on Approval because it is our expert finding, based on the analysis so far accomplished in V1, that DIS 29500 as presently written is technically incapable of achieving those goals, not because we disagree with the goals or are opposed to an ISO Standard that would enable them. Sun voted Yes on Conditional approval (disapproval with comments) because this is the only one of the options we were given that would guarantee that the specific changes already agreed upon by consensus in V1 would actually be implemented. We observed during the meeting that according to 9.8, the option sometimes described as "No with comments" actually contains an explicit promise of approval once "the changes that would make the document acceptable" have been implemented. We voted in the expectation that those changes will be made and that a version of DIS 29500 capable of achieving its objectives would be approved as an ISO Standard. We welcome the opportunity to work with others during the resolution phase to bring DIS 29500 to a level of specification that would enable its approval, and we request that our vote for conditional approval be correctly represented in the minutes. Jon ====================================================== Jon Bosak, Distinguished Engineer, Corporate Standards Office of Global Government Strategy, Sun Microsystems Chair, Universal Business Language Technical Committee Member, INCITS V1 and ISO/IEC JTC1 SC34 jon.bosak@sun.com http://www.sun.com/standards ====================================================== --Boundary_(ID_WxSX5PyFaPoEKZWnVasWzg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT RE: INCITS-V1: Conditional approval (disapproval with comments)

I second Jon's position. This is what I was trying to get across in the meeting, but people who seem not to understand ISO standards development weren't paying attention.

Jim Mason
Chairman, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34


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Sent: Mon 7/16/2007 11:13 AM
To: incits-v1@incits-v1.org
Subject: INCITS-V1: Conditional approval (disapproval with comments)

Correction to the minutes of 13 July 2007:

Sun Microsystems specifically requested several times during the
meeting that the option recorded in the draft minutes as
"Disapproval with comments" be recorded as "Conditional approval
(disapproval with comments)." We observed that the language of 9.8
in the JTC1 Directives explicitly equates these two forms. That
request was accepted with no objection.

This change is important to Sun in ensuring that our position is
correctly represented.  We wish to make it completely clear that
we support DIS 29500 becoming an ISO Standard and are in complete
agreement with its stated purposes of enabling interoperability
among different implementations and providing interoperable access
to the legacy of Microsoft Office documents.

Sun voted No on Approval because it is our expert finding, based
on the analysis so far accomplished in V1, that DIS 29500 as
presently written is technically incapable of achieving those
goals, not because we disagree with the goals or are opposed to an
ISO Standard that would enable them.  Sun voted Yes on Conditional
approval (disapproval with comments) because this is the only one
of the options we were given that would guarantee that the
specific changes already agreed upon by consensus in V1 would
actually be implemented.

We observed during the meeting that according to 9.8, the option
sometimes described as "No with comments" actually contains an
explicit promise of approval once "the changes that would make the
document acceptable" have been implemented.  We voted in the
expectation that those changes will be made and that a version of
DIS 29500 capable of achieving its objectives would be approved as
an ISO Standard.  We welcome the opportunity to work with others
during the resolution phase to bring DIS 29500 to a level of
specification that would enable its approval, and we request that
our vote for conditional approval be correctly represented in the
minutes.

Jon

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Jon Bosak, Distinguished Engineer, Corporate Standards
Office of Global Government Strategy, Sun Microsystems
Chair, Universal Business Language Technical Committee
       Member, INCITS V1 and ISO/IEC JTC1 SC34
jon.bosak@sun.com         http://www.sun.com/standards
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