Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] What does Anthony Trewavas do when he is not bashing organics ?

From: Lion Kuntz <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:01:54 -0800

Congradulations to him for finally  understanding what Sir
Jagadis Chandra Bose taught to Lord Kelvin, taught to Niels
Bohr, taught to Albert Einstein, taught in lectures to the whole
Royal Academy 80 years ago.

There were really neat things that were learned in the 1930's
too, but we will have to wait for the Christian "Scientists"
[sic] and Trewavas [sick] to get that far in their learning path
to see how much of it they catch, and how muich they miss. Now I
know what anthropologists feel like when they meet a truly
primative people.

Bose invented the Crescoscope which could magnify plant
reactions 30,000,000 times, something no "modern" laboratory
equipment is capable of doing even today, took exacting careful
measurements, published books, two-book stes, 3-book sets,
7-book sets, into the tens of thousands of pages, and your
school text books on biology/botany said exactly what about his
work?

Entire waves of generations have been born and died of old age
without comprehending what meticulous replicatable science
elucidated more than 8 decades ago. It is incredible that people
as ignorant as...
> Anthony Trewavas, a plant biochemist [sic] at the
> University [sic] of Edinburgh in Scotland and
> a prominent [sic] scholar [sic] of plant intelligence.
... are allowed to spread bizzare experimental protoplasm
outdoors instead of confined to level IV biohazard containment
facilities.

--- Joel Gruver <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> The following article in the March 3rd issue of the CS Monitor
> reveals a
> perhaps lesser known dimension of Anthony Trewavas...
>
> Joel
>
>
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>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0303/p01s03-usgn.html
>
> New research opens a window on the minds of plants
> By Patrik Jonsson | Correspondent of The Christian Science
> Monitor
>
> RALEIGH, N.C. - Hardly articulate, the tiny strangleweed, a
> pale parasitic
> plant, can sense the presence of friends, foes, and food, and
> make adroit
> decisions on how to approach them.
>
> Mustard weed, a common plant with a six-week life cycle, can't
> find its way
> in the world if its root-tip statolith - a starchy "brain"
> that communicates
> with the rest of the plant - is cut off.
>
> The ground-hugging mayapple plans its growth two years into
> the future,
> based on computations of weather patterns. And many who visit
> the redwoods
> of the Northwest come away awed by the trees' survival for
> millenniums - a
> journey that, for some trees, precedes the Parthenon.
>
> As trowel-wielding scientists dig up a trove of new findings,
> even those
> skeptical of the evolving paradigm of "plant intelligence"
> acknowledge that,
> down to the simplest magnolia or fern, flora have the smarts
> of the forest.
> Some scientists say they carefully consider their environment,
> speculate on
> the future, conquer territory and enemies, and are often
> capable of
> forethought - revelations that could affect everyone from
> gardeners to
> philosophers.
>
> Indeed, extraordinary new findings on how plants investigate
> and respond to
> their environments are part of a sprouting debate over the
> nature of
> intelligence itself.
>
> "The attitude of people is changing quite substantially," says
> Anthony
> Trewavas, a plant
>
> biochemist at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland and a
> prominent
> scholar of plant intelligence. "The idea of intelligence is
> going from the
> very narrow view that it's just human to something that's much
> more
> generally found in life."
>
> To be sure, there are no signs of Socratic logic or
> Shakespearean thought,
> and the subject of plant "brains" has sparked heated exchanges
> at botany
> conferences. Plants, skeptics scoff, surely don't fall in
> love, bake
> soufflés, or ponder poetry. And can a simple reaction to one's
> environment
> truly qualify as active, intentional reasoning?
>
> But the late Nobel Prize-winning plant geneticist Barbara
> McClintock called
> plant cells "thoughtful." Darwin wrote about root-tip
> "brains." Not only can
> plants communicate with each other and with insects by coded
> gas
> exhalations, scientists say now, they can perform Euclidean
> geometry
> calculations through cellular computations and, like a peeved
> boss, remember
> the tiniest transgression for months.
>
> To a growing number of biologists, the fact that plants are
> now known to
> challenge and exert power over other species is proof of a
> basic intellect.
>
> "If intelligence is the capacity to acquire and apply
> knowledge, then,
> absolutely, plants are intelligent," agrees Leslie Sieburth, a
> biologist at
> the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.
>
> For philosophers, one of the key findings is that two
> cuttings, or clones,
> taken from the same "mother plant" behave differently even
> when planted in
> identical conditions.
>
> "We now know there's an ability of self-recognition in plants,
> which is
> highly unusual and quite extraordinary that it's actually
> there," says Dr.
> Trewavas. "But why has no one come to grips with it? Because
> the prevailing
> view of a plant, even among plant biologists, is that it's a
> simple organism
> that grows reproducibly in a flower pot."
>
> But here at the labs on the North Carolina State campus, where
> fluorescent
> grow-rooms hold genetic secrets and laser microscopes parse
> the inner
> workings of live plants, there is still skepticism about the
> ability of
> ordinary houseplants to intellectualize their environment.
>
> <Snip> Click on the link at the top to read the whole
> article...
>
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