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I wonder if the low volume is not just seasonal.  Maybe joining all the lists
together wold be best until the traffic picks up and then branching off if need
be.  I think it is a valuable resource but some how I am not as interested in
gardening at this time as I am in the winter after a little rest.
Sue

"Lawrence F. London, Jr." wrote:

> Dear list subscribers:
>
> The csa and market-farming lists are experiencing extremely low
> traffic and I am interested in feedback regarding whether they should
> be continued or taken offline. If the consensus is to keep them, I
> will, otherwise I will remove them from the natural agriculture
> heirarchy of forums they exist within. The same applies to the
> farmers-markets, soil-quality, seed-saving and permaculture-calendar
> lists. The permaculture list will remain since it has regular traffic
> year after year.
>
> Maybe its the time of the year and things will improve as winter rolls
> in , maybe not; maybe uasge of the Web and forums has changed
> dramatically in the recent past.
>
> Personally, I need these forums and am reluctant to see them go
> but the time I'd save not having to maintain them could be well used
> on other projects I am involved with.
>
> Stats on these lists are:
>
> Number of subscribers as of 10/13/2000:
>
> csa   119
> farmers-markets   62
> market-farming   364
> seed-saving   76
> soil-quality   127
>
> Another option would be to combine all of these lists into one,
> market-farming, maybe this would be the best choice.
>
> Suggestions welcome.
>
> Lawrence London
>
> site administrator: natural agriculture forum heirarchy
> co-owner csa
> owner (all the rest)
>
> <>
>
>
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> lflondon@mindspring.com
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From lflondon@mindspring.com Fri Oct 13 23:06:24 2000
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflondon@mindspring.com>
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Dear list subscribers:

The csa and market-farming lists are experiencing extremely low
traffic and I am interested in feedback regarding whether they should
be continued or taken offline. If the consensus is to keep them, I
will, otherwise I will remove them from the natural agriculture
heirarchy of forums they exist within. The same applies to the
farmers-markets, soil-quality, seed-saving and permaculture-calendar
lists. The permaculture list will remain since it has regular traffic
year after year.

Maybe its the time of the year and things will improve as winter rolls
in , maybe not; maybe uasge of the Web and forums has changed
dramatically in the recent past.

Personally, I need these forums and am reluctant to see them go
but the time I'd save not having to maintain them could be well used
on other projects I am involved with.

Stats on these lists are:

Number of subscribers as of 10/13/2000:

csa   119
farmers-markets   62
market-farming   364
seed-saving   76
soil-quality   127

Another option would be to combine all of these lists into one,
market-farming, maybe this would be the best choice.

Suggestions welcome.

Lawrence London

site administrator: natural agriculture forum heirarchy
co-owner csa
owner (all the rest)

<>
 

Lawrence F. London, Jr. 
lflondon@mindspring.com    
london@metalab.unc.edu
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From: Josie Klapper <jstk@swbell.net>
Subject: Bitter after taste in some squash
To: "community supported agriculture," <csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu>,
 "Homestead-work@egroups.com" <Homestead-work@egroups.com>,
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Howdy Ya'll,
Some of my CSA members have commented that the lighter flavored squash
are having a bitter aftertaste.  Any ideas how to correct the problem?
TIA
Josie Klapper
Triangle Farm
CSA and Chow Rescue
Waller, Tx.
Please open your home and heart to a mature chow
My reality check BOUNCED!




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Well...this list is boring! You could sub to the other CSA list

HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO CSA-L?

Send a message to "listproc@prairienet.org" with "subscribe CSA-L Firstname
Lastname" in the
message. Put your first and last names in place of Firstname and Lastname
and omit the quotes. You
may leave the subject line blank.   You may also fill out the form at
http://www.prairienet.org/pcsa/CSA-L/subscribing.html




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I have not received a CSA post since July.  Can someone please explain?

Marie In Missouri




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I read in another email list that a 'local paper said John Stossel will be 
apologizing on Friday for his mistake in his report on organic produce.'

     'The Environmental Working Group is asking that Stossel be fired. No 
word on disciplinary action from ABC. The word is that a staffer provided 
him with bad information.'

Just a FYI!!

Cassie
Earthly Edibles CSA
NE Texas     



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The replies to this post have been good and detailed. I wonder about the
lower $ potential mentioned in one. While true enough, is the potential
really that much lower than, say, a farmer's market or farm stand operation,
when factoring in such items as travel to the farmer's market, crop failures
that obviously cannot be sold (all part of the "deal" in CSA) and so on.
Since we have only done CSA these are questions on which we have no data for
comparison.

Jim and Jo
The Community Farm Newsletter
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> This fellow wrote this message on Sanet figured he'd get more input form
CSA
> list.  I don't thing he's subscribed so I suggest replying to him and the
> list.  Thanks  Beth
>
> I am curious what people know or have experienced with CSAs.  The
benifits,
> drawbacks, and how to get started would be great!  Thanks for the help.
> Mike
> amazonmetzler@HOTMAIL.COM
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Dori,

Dori wrote:

> I was under the impression that the listings accessible through 
> http://www.csacenter.org were the same as those published by 
> the USDA, but 
> csacenter had nothing for New Jersey.  

The CSA listings should be (are) the same at 4 mirror sites (listed below).
I just went to http://www.csacenter.org and found NJ, with the same list of
10 CSAs.   

Either click on the *DIRECTORY* button in the left frame, or click on 
*Database of CSA farms in the USA* after scrolling down a bit on the welcome
page, which looks like this:

____________
The Robyn Van En Center offers assistance to the enlarging CSA movement. The
Center can help you in the following ways. 

      Resource Center and Library
      Database of CSA farms in the USA
      Mail Order Publications
      Referrals
      This Web Site
_____________

The four mirror sites for the CSA database are:

http://www.csacenter.org/
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/csa/
http://www.sare.org/csa/
http://www.biodynamics.com/csa.html

Why are there 4 mirror sites?  First, with its millions of readers, we were
given the impression that there would be THOUSANDS of hits on the web the
minute Parade magazine hit the streets.  Mirror sites would help handle all
those hits.  We did, in fact, get the most hits to at least one of the sites
on the day the *article* hit, but I don't think any of the sites would have
shut down from too many users at one time  :)  

Perhaps of interest to this group, from November '99 through February '00,
about 5,000 people visited the CSA websites.  This is unique visitor
sessions, not individual page hits.  That was enough to satisfy my program
that this was worth the effort last fall.

Secondly, the four organizations involved each put a lot of work into
developing the database. We are essentially sharing the ownership and the
credit for the database.  Also, why send someone from your web site about
CSA to another place to access the listing?  The four are, in no particular
order:

The Robyn Van En Center for CSA Resources in the Northeast
Alternative Farming Systems Information Center (AFSIC
The Sustainable Agriculture Network (SAN) and SARE
The Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association, Inc.

To continue giving credit where due, we could not possible have put the
database together without the help of all those other organizations out
there who have been working with CSAs over the years.  Contact information
for them can be found at
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/csa/csacoorgs.htm#coorgs

Andy

Andy Clark, Ph.D.
SAN Coordinator
c/o AFSIC, Room 304
National Agricultural Library
10301 Baltimore Ave.
Beltsville, MD  20705-2351
PH:  301-504-6425
FAX: 301-504-6409
san@nal.usda.gov
http://www.sare.org



 



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Dori,

Sorry that your year was such a disappointment. However, it sounds as 
though you have turned the tables on your fortune, and are off to new 
gardening adventures.

Yes, land prices in NJ are frightening at best, coupled with the highest 
property taxes in the country. Best of luck in your endeavors.

We are in eastern PA. This was the first year to do anything here. We 
thought about trying to launch a CSA, and in the end really scaled down our 
goals. We talked to 2 local restaurants, small places with chef/owners. I 
used to be a chef, and last winter while looking through seed catalogs I 
used that perspective to choose  items for the garden, which had not even 
been dug! (literally, hand dug,as the soil is too rocky to safely use a 
rototiller.)

We sell produce to one restaurant right now. I keep thinking of the motto 
of the Louisiana Native Plant society, "do small things well". The folks at 
the restaurant like our goods, we sell them at a reasonable price, probably 
too reasonable. We tend the garden, and cultivate the one connection to 
other local places. It is a small beginning, but it is manageable and 
comfortable.  This has also given us the chance to look at the variation in 
CSA activity that we can engage in, something we hadn't really given 
adequate thought to before. We are not depending on this for a living, and 
that is an advantage for us now.

I hope the community you're going into is supportive of your efforts.

best wishes,
Laura Weishaupt
Kisatchie Mushrooms




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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:04:29 -0400
From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm@sprintmail.com>
To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
Subject: Re: CSAs?!

Mike,

Others have pointed out sources for the info.  The "getting started" is a book
in itself.  I'm assuming you want some real life info from CSA growers.  I'll
comment some from that angle and only mention a few of the BIG pros & cons.

Pros- You do the marketing in the non-growing season, everything is sold before
planted- contract growing, no speculation, you get your money at the first of
the season when you need it, you have some protection (economically) from crop
loss, you get a lot of positive feed back for your work.

Cons- There's a lot of pressure to produce since you already have the money,
you have to be able to grow a wide variety of food, you have to learn tight
successions and how much to plant to keep from over or underwhelming the
shareholders, there's no time off during the season- a terrific pace, you need
to be able to do education and have good communication skills, you'll be
dealing with people who have their own expectations coming in regardless of
what you tell them.

Starting out, you might try a "hybrid" CSA that some friends started with- they
weren't sure how much or what to grow.  They started by selling "memberships"
($20 each) to customers and they got first dibs on harvest.  They emailed,
faxed and put their list of vegies on their answering machine.  People sent
their orders and they harvested and packed 1 day a week.  "Members" picked up
and left their totals.

This gave them an idea of how much of what people wanted and a beginning
customer base with no obligations.  It worked great for them.  I started pretty
much with no ideas of what or how much and adjusted over the years from
questionnaires I gave shareholders.

There's lots of good books out there about the nuts and bolts of CSAs.  I
suggest that you talk to as many CSA growers as possible about the drawbacks-
these aren't mentioned in the books and will help you make a good decision.

Alex McGregor
Walden Farm





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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:01:06 -0400
From: Jennifer Sue Butler <jennsueb@WAM.UMD.EDU>
To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
Subject: CSA book

You might want to take a look at this book:
           Sharing the Harvest: A Guide to Community-Supported Agriculture
                   by Elizabeth Henderson with Robyn Van En
                             Foreword by Joan Dye Gussow
                     Published in cooperation with the Sustainable
              Agriculture Research and Education Program (SARE)

                   Walk down the produce aisle of any supermarket in
              the U.S. and you can sample a cornucopia of "fresh"
              foods flown in from all corners of the world. Grapes
              from Chile. Apples from New Zealand. Tomatoes from
              Holland. Snow peas and raspberries from Guatemala.
              All available (for a price) virtually year-round. What
              could be better than this horn of plenty, the fruits of
              the "global marketplace"?

the publisher's website is www.chelseagreen.com

--jenn butler




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Dear Mike and list,  We are in our third year as a CSA.  Benefits:  Knowing
the size of your customer base.  We have a 37 member CSA, therefore aim to
plant for about 50, enough extra for safety and some for us to eat and maybe
a tad to throw on a card table by the side of the road (may try that).  The
past two years the weather has not been good for getting things to ripen "by
the calendar"  but with CSA members they are "ours" for the summer and
they'll get the stuff eventually if not by the calendar.  My husband and I
stopped at a cute little farm stand, when we left he said I wonder how much
waste there is at the end of the day, how much do they know how to plant and
pick, he said at least with the CSA you know that all your labors in the
field are actually going to a customer.
Another benefit is a friendlier relationship with your member/customer.
Drawback  It isn't hugely lucrative if you figure money per hour.  But it is
at this point in our farm development a good "part time job" I know we all
know its another full time job.  I work on farm only, hubby is a school
teacher so is "off" part of the growing season.  He also cuts firewood and
that is a job that at this point is taking him away from the farm too much
and will need to be assessed from a time management point when he finishes
this contract.
We picture ourselves doing something else besides the CSA as well we just
haven't had time to develop it.  Farm stand is where we're leaning.  But
we've read and observed the error in growing to fast and too many irons in
the fire so for now developing a darn good CSA is where we're focusing.

How to get started really is the hardest question.  I assume you know how to
grow veggies.  That is most important.  You will have the members money THEN
you deliver a product, it's a bit stressful watching plants grow hoping for
yields, hoping to dazzle :).  Our first year we got our members word of
mouth to friends and acquaintances, and someone who stopped by the farm just
to look at animals.  We had 10 members a good number for first year.  Second
year spent some big bucks $800 and advertised with a big ad.  Got 50ish
calls resulting in 37 members yikes a bit different than 10.  This year 3/4
of last years returned a few waiting list people, a few friends of old
members, one from internet CSA list and back to 37 members which is where I
wanted to be no expansion yet.  We live in a "ripe" area for CSA, we are a
little oasis in an ever growing suburban area, there is enough population
and enough population with some disposable income and enough population
looking for "clean" fresh food.  Because we are so close to this population
all our pick ups are on farm.

Another drawback Generally dealing with the public same as any occupation
that deals with the public.  This year is better than last in that the
nuisances people weeded themselves out and the returning group are with the
program.  This sort of with the program attitude needs to be address when
you advertise or when you print a brochure.  The drawbacks from the members
point of view:  Very short hours in which to pickup in comparison to 24 hour
grocery stores or even 6 day a week health food stores.  Must u pick some of
veggies (beans, peas and cherry tomatoes), as the season get going once a
week you go home with a ton of veggies that need dealing with, cooked,
stored etc.  You must like a lot of varieties of veggies because thats what
you get each week a sampler of the garden's harvest say 10-30lbs of assorted
veggies, not 10-30lbs of onion, and potatoes your favorites.  These member
drawbacks are what makes people drop out.  I knew by attendance or lack
thereof of last year"s members who would drop out and I was basically 99%
right.  The people you know will sometimes make the worse members as far as
attendance, your their friend/neighbor right I'll just pop in any old time,
wrong.
Oh thats something to get straight even if you have only 10 members.  Set
hours and STICK to them.  Allow flexibility with in the various pick up days
(I have three).  I will also leave veggies in my basement refridge for those
that let me know AHEAD of time.  I've made it may rule not to pick to order
for anyone who pops by.  I say nothing here today come back..........state
hours of next pickup.  It's mostly working and I am way less stressed than
last year.
My pick ups for the past two years where:  I packed veggies in basket people
picked beans etc. and they left.  This year I put all veggies on my tables I
have a white board with instructions ie: take one cabbage, take 2 squash  go
pick beans and herbs etc.  I love it compared to packing the veggies and I
think its going smoothly.  If they don't want something they don't take it.
But I noticed more cabbage went out than last year.  Last year I'd say want
a cabbage, I got a lot of nos.  This year they are beautifully displayed on
table with message on board take one cabbage most everyone has, interesting.

I've made herbs pick your own and I think that's beginning to catch on.
Flowers are going you pick this week we'll see.
I also chit chat on pick up days and write a newsletter so guess you'd say I
entertain them and I know from comments it works.  They love the newsletter,
Mike I could e-mail you a few if you'd like.
Well now that I've written a book I hope you're all set to start you own
CSA.  Beth




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This fellow wrote this message on Sanet figured he'd get more input form CSA
list.  I don't thing he's subscribed so I suggest replying to him and the
list.  Thanks  Beth

I am curious what people know or have experienced with CSAs.  The benifits,
drawbacks, and how to get started would be great!  Thanks for the help.
Mike
amazonmetzler@HOTMAIL.COM




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Thanks, Andy, for the links!  I've found a CSA with the same phone exchange 
as my new address -- I'm going to be sharing a huge Victorian in Plainfield 
with a bunch of other single professionals.  Found it in my first hit to the 
online classifieds of the local paper, it was the first place I called, the 
homeowner is involved in organic consumer issues and recognized my name.  It 
is a teensy tiny world.

I was under the impression that the listings accessible through 
http://www.csacenter.org were the same as those published by the USDA, but 
csacenter had nothing for New Jersey.  I did check the New York listings and 
I'm there in full living color.  It is entirely possible that Corning is 
just one of those strange places where CSA and intentional community are 
frighteningly progressive ideas that just won't work here.  If that's the 
case, I might just need to vote with my feet. John (the tenant who sort of 
fell out of the sky the day before I was called for the interview) wants to 
work my fields and I'm going to let him.  I'll be bringing lots of garlic 
home from the NOFA conference and we'll fill the raised beds with it.  By 
October I'll have some money to throw at advertising and we'll see what we 
can set up in terms of local subscriptions by January 1.

Another local farmer (from New Jersey, go figger) says that if I look for 
long-distance farm members in the area I'm going to, I'll be beating people 
off with a stick.  So maybe this CSA will work as an entity that's 
independent of the immediate community.  Stranger things have happened, I 
suppose!  I will certainly be an active member of the CSA that serves the 
area in which I'll be living.

A housemate is moving in here on Thursday, a one-month apprentice is joining 
us on Sunday, I'm hosting my first bus tour visitors on Saturday and again 
on Wednesday, buying a car before Thursday, presenting at the NOFA 
conference on Friday the 11th, coming home on the 13th to load the new-to-me 
car and heading out late in the afternoon of the 14th.

Then I think I will just collapse for 24 hours before starting the job.

I have it all worked out with my one paid CSA member to refund her payment 
and provide her with maps to all of my favorite local u-pick farms.  She's 
the one who donated the little lawn tractor.

Land prices in New Jersey are truly terrifying.  But there are always 
options, including keeping the land I've got.  It seems a little strange for 
me to be saving the farm by leaving it, but I'm sure not the first farmer to 
do so.

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
http://www.ic.org/agrove

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>The promised newspaper article came out, but the writer's
>agenda was to talk about how expensive organic food is.  I think she was
>bought off by Cleveland Amory.

Wouldn't that be Dennis Avery, famous for his promotion of hard-core
organic agriculture and, preservation of small & family farms and
local food production and marketing systems.


Sorry, Lawrence.  Old Lutheran joke:  "We shall not grant the devil any 
power, and deny even the mention of his name."  When I'm really really upset 
with somebody, I automatically slide into this mode and dehumanize them by 
calling them by the wrong name.  I know better than to dehumanize anybody 
for any reason.  Mr. Avery's shenanigans really tie my knickers in a knot, 
though.

My apologies to anybody who was confused by this, and apologies also to 
Cleveland Amory.

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
Corning, NY

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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:21:51 EDT, "Dori Green"
<dorigreen00@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The promised newspaper article came out, but the writer's 
>agenda was to talk about how expensive organic food is.  I think she was 
>bought off by Cleveland Amory.

Wouldn't that be Dennis Avery, famous for his promotion of hard-core
organic agriculture and, preservation of small & family farms and
local food production and marketing systems.



Lawrence F. London, Jr. Venaura Farm ICQ#27930345
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Dori,

I'm really sorry to hear that your CSA didn't get off the ground this year!
I checked the national database and there are 10 NJ CSAs listed.  

See http://www.sare.org/csa/states/NJfarm.htm

IF you decide to try next year, be sure to add your farm to the national
database  (http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/csa/csaform.htm).  One farmer told
me that 40% of his CSA business this year came from his listing.  

Andy

Andy Clark, Ph.D.
SAN Coordinator
c/o AFSIC, Room 304
National Agricultural Library
10301 Baltimore Ave.
Beltsville, MD  20705-2351
PH:  301-504-6425
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> community supported agriculture Digest for Monday, July 31, 2000.
> 
> 1. CSAs in New Jersey?



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We have a simple wash rack made out of an old door and 2 saw horses and that
is flanked by 2 green rubbermaid 50gallon tubs that I fill with well water
and usually spike with white vinager as a disinfectant.

I wash all greens to get the heat off and dry them using a large string
laundry bag that is whirled until either the greens are dry or the person is
tired. You can dry a 1/3 bushel at a time and the bags cost $3.99 at Target
(probably less at a discount store or on sale). While we have a simple wash
rack we also have goo refrigeration in a brand new (okay 4 year old) 3 dorr
stainless steel cooler that arrived this afternoon to replace the two door
deli cooler we had earlier this year and died about a month ago. The cooler
is key for long term freshness-uncooled lettuce will last maybe 5 days in
the fridge, hydrocooled and refrigerated lettuce will last 3 to 4 weeks in
your member's fridge.

I also wash roots by putting them in water for around 10 to 20 minutes to
loosen the dirt and than swirling them and bunching than right into the
cooler they go. Potatoes we wash off in an old metal rack drawer from a
freezer with the hose.

I would like a real building someday to clean those early spring greens and
roots, nothing like doing a wet job with a stiff north wind hitting you (a
nice though though if it is hot where you are)

Lucy Goodman-Owsley
Boulder Belt CSA
New Paris, OH
Website: http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/boulderbeltcsa
Organic Farming and Gardening Forum:
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Thanks so much for all of the replies.

They are great ideas.  It is nice to hear what other people do, that way a 
person can adapt them all to what works for them.

Cassie Roth
Earthly Edibles
NE Texas



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Guess I'd best dig out my sign up form.  I think we will be attending our
usual one day, Sat.  I'd love to do the week-end thing but impossible when
only the two of us farm, too much work to do.  So I will look you up.  Beth
Hook,  Massachusetts
> Who's going to the NOFA conference in Amherst, MA Aug 11-13?  I'm looking
to
> carpool from Corning, Ithaca, or Binghamton and I promise I won't even
> practice my own presentation (about my SARE agroforestry project) on
> car-mates unless they ask me to.
>
> Even if we don't ride together, do look for me in the dining hall.  I'm
the
> woman with the walking stick and a big table sign announcing "INTENTIONAL
> COMMUNITIES & CSAS".
>
> Dori Green
> Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living
> Corning, NY
>
> http://www.ic.org/agrove (new streamlined website)





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Hi, everybody!

My CSA here never did get off the ground this year -- one paid member does 
not begin to cover the costs of putting in a market garden or hiring help to 
maintain it.  The promised newspaper article came out, but the writer's 
agenda was to talk about how expensive organic food is.  I think she was 
bought off by Cleveland Amory.  Huge spread about me as an organic guru, not 
one word about all the work I've done here for ten years to make the farm 
accessible to people and keep their costs down.  I've had a dozen calls 
demanding free gardening advice, not one membership.  Ugh.

A one-month apprentice is arriving next weekend.  She can help me get 
perennials started for next year and she will learn _lots_ of non-chemical 
strategies for the weed battle.

I had a good job interview in New Jersey last week and will hear the results 
today or tomorrow.  If they offer me the job, I'm outta here in two weeks!  
My intentional community idea is moving right along and there will be 
members living here.  It'll be up to them whether or not they keep trying to 
activate a CSA in this region; they haven't thought much about it so far.  
The job is temporary for six months; if it goes to permanent after that, 
I'll probably sell this farm and look in New York or New Jersey for partners 
to share another one -- have already located a possibility near Scranton 
(PA).

Never did get any local interest in classes or workshops, so I put out some 
feelers and now I'm getting $250 for putting on a two-hour goat walk and 
collection of mini-demonstrations/workshops for tourists by the bus load.  
Two buses are coming from the Philadelphia area next week.

I know that New Jersey has an active NOFA chapter, but I haven't seen even 
one CSA in the national list.  I know that land prices are truly terrifying, 
but still...

Does anybody know of an active CSA anywhere in New Jersey, or will I have to 
go to a New York City greenmarket for my weekly veggies????  I thought I saw 
something about a CSA near the Delaware Water Gap area.  Are those folks on 
this list?

Who's going to the NOFA conference in Amherst, MA Aug 11-13?  I'm looking to 
carpool from Corning, Ithaca, or Binghamton and I promise I won't even 
practice my own presentation (about my SARE agroforestry project) on 
car-mates unless they ask me to.

Even if we don't ride together, do look for me in the dining hall.  I'm the 
woman with the walking stick and a big table sign announcing "INTENTIONAL 
COMMUNITIES & CSAS".

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living
Corning, NY

http://www.ic.org/agrove (new streamlined website)

ps -- just in case anybody wonders -- yes I need the stick.  Not everybody 
gets run down by a truck and lives to tell the tale, so I do not complain 
about the nuisance residuals from that circumstance.  A cane says 
"disabled", a walking stick says "adventurer" and "maybe dangerous".  I'm 
actually only dangerous to people who are threatened by new ideas.

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We have a large old bathtub/jacuzzi that we fill to wash produce in as well 
as a couple of old sinks.  We often have wash 1, wash 2 stations.  We 
package everything for the CSA into reusable, recyclable cardboard boxes, it 
works great.

Lovena Harvey
The Gathering Place
D'arcy, B.C.


>From: "Cassie Roth" <casroth@9plus.net>
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>To: "community supported agriculture" <csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Subject: Wash shed/rack
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:12:29
>
>What does everyone currently use for washing the produce they pick from
>the
>field?  Do you get the residual dirt off by hand or do you wash/rinse
>everyhing before giving it to shareholders?  I have clay based soil (I am
>working on that), that if it drys, it is like rock.
>
>If you do wash, what kind of set-up does everyone use?  Also, for packing
>does anyone use canvas bags for re-use, or the ole standby wal-mart bags?
>:>)
>
>Thanks everyone for the posts about the CSA cookbooks that you recommended.
>  Each one sounds great!!
>
>Cassie Roth
>Earthly Edibles CSA
>NE Texas
>
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We use 5 gallon buckets gleaned from places like Dunkin donuts, etc... to
put all the produce in for delivery to the drop-off. It helps protect the
veggies. The csa members are responsible for washing the buckets out and
having them at the drop-off point for pick up every drop off day. So, we
need 2 buckets per share. Much less waste and very inexpensive or free.
~Crystal
Crystal Dawn Farm


-----Original Message-----
From: Cassie Roth <casroth@9plus.net>
To: community supported agriculture <csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:26 PM
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>What does everyone currently use for washing the produce they pick from
>the
>field?  Do you get the residual dirt off by hand or do you wash/rinse
>everyhing before giving it to shareholders?  I have clay based soil (I am
>working on that), that if it drys, it is like rock.
>
>If you do wash, what kind of set-up does everyone use?  Also, for packing
>does anyone use canvas bags for re-use, or the ole standby wal-mart bags?
>:>)
>
>Thanks everyone for the posts about the CSA cookbooks that you recommended.
> Each one sounds great!!
>
>Cassie Roth
>Earthly Edibles CSA
>NE Texas
>
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Jim and Joe wrote below message.  I've been thinking about this since I read
the message and responded that I wash nothing but root veggies.  I think one
of the reasons it works for me is all pick ups are on farm.  The garden is
steps away, in fact they step into it to upick peas, beans etc.   I think
they "see" the garden soil under their feet and are more tolerant.  In last
years newsletter I put some blip about how if you come at it with a good
attitude washing your veggies once you get home is a fun way get to know
your veggies sort of ethereal :) experience and that I didn't have time for
that much fun :)  ie washing everyones.  Since most of this years members
are returning members I have not yet put that blip in for the new members.
It rained here the past two days so the veggies were a bit more soil covered
than usual can't say I was in love with their looks but once again just no
time to worry about it. Plus my members were amazing the majority of the
pick ups still picked peas and beans and not a quick handful but a good
amount I was impressed and will tell them so in next newsletter, I found the
rain  welcome but picking veggies two days in it was a bit of a nuisance.
Beth

> We wash the grit from our sandy soil off lettuce and salad greens. Salad
> greens go nicely into a mesh bag (like the one onions come in), get a dunk
> or two in a bucket, then they can be hung up to drain. We do not strive
for
> "ready to eat" for reasons of time, the effort involved, and so forth.
Root
> crops are usually given a quick dunk to rinse off the worst of the
clinging
> grit, but again are not really cleaned. Our members have stated on more
than
> one occasion that that is their job. Other farms we know of have members
who
> expect (or were lead to expect) clean greens and veggies, and some
> strategies we have heard of include:





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The Temple-Wilton Community farm in NH - one of the first two CSAs in the US 
- runs all year, offering winter shares through a huge community root cellar, 
and their link with a coop.  Comprehensive.  Don't have contact info at hand 
for either of the current farmers - Lincoln Gieger and Anthony Graham - but 
you could probably get their number from information.

Good luck,  Steven McFadden



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We wash the grit from our sandy soil off lettuce and salad greens. Salad
greens go nicely into a mesh bag (like the one onions come in), get a dunk
or two in a bucket, then they can be hung up to drain. We do not strive for
"ready to eat" for reasons of time, the effort involved, and so forth. Root
crops are usually given a quick dunk to rinse off the worst of the clinging
grit, but again are not really cleaned. Our members have stated on more than
one occasion that that is their job. Other farms we know of have members who
expect (or were lead to expect) clean greens and veggies, and some
strategies we have heard of include:

multiple rinses then a spin dry on the spin cycle of an old washing
machine\\

honey extractor to spin dry

big tubs for rinsing and drain on a screen

Some advice on packing shed design and washing technique can be found at
http://bse.wisc.edu/hthp

We leave stuff out for members to select and they bring plastic bags or
paper ones from the grocery store or some bring their own canvas or mesh
bags.

Jim and Jo
The Community Farm Newsletter
http://www.mufn.org/public/tcf
----- Original Message -----
From: Cassie Roth <casroth@9plus.net>
To: community supported agriculture <csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:12 PM
Subject: Wash shed/rack


> What does everyone currently use for washing the produce they pick from
> the
> field?  Do you get the residual dirt off by hand or do you wash/rinse
> everyhing before giving it to shareholders?  I have clay based soil (I am
> working on that), that if it drys, it is like rock.
>
> If you do wash, what kind of set-up does everyone use?  Also, for packing
> does anyone use canvas bags for re-use, or the ole standby wal-mart bags?
> :>)
>
> Thanks everyone for the posts about the CSA cookbooks that you
recommended.
>  Each one sounds great!!
>
> Cassie Roth
> Earthly Edibles CSA
> NE Texas
>
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Does anyone have a source for cloth bags?  Cloth bags to use for produce
pick-up for the shareholders. 

Cassie Roth
Earthly Edibles CSA
NE Texas



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Subject: Four Seasonal CSAs

Tracy Horner (tracy_horner@hotmail.com) wrote:

>Has anyone done or know of any research
>regarding CSA membership issues and/or educational programs developed to
>support members during or between seasons?  I would be particularly
>interested in cooking programs, nutritional workshops and budgeting
>materials that are targeted at CSA.

Has anybody extended the season of a CSA with a buying club or pre-order
coop?  Any CSA's run through what's left of the old food coops?  Any of
those food coops actively promote bulk buying and seasonal purchasing for
their members/customers with specials and such?




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Cassie, I use the two bucket method. The bins we pick into are filled with cold
water. 57 degrees right from the well. Then another bucket is filled half way.
I dunk and slosh and make a mess then transfer from the pick bucket to the
clean bucket. this accomplishes two things. It gets the heat off the veggies
and removes my clay soil from the roots. I'll do this a second time if it needs
it. I do use canvas bags for delivery with our logo embroidered on a pocket we
use as a place to put newsletters, recipes or suyveys whatever.  Jeff

Cassie Roth wrote:

> What does everyone currently use for washing the produce they pick from
> the
> field?  Do you get the residual dirt off by hand or do you wash/rinse
> everyhing before giving it to shareholders?  I have clay based soil (I am
> working on that), that if it drys, it is like rock.
>
> If you do wash, what kind of set-up does everyone use?  Also, for packing
> does anyone use canvas bags for re-use, or the ole standby wal-mart bags?
> :>)
>
> Thanks everyone for the posts about the CSA cookbooks that you recommended.
>  Each one sounds great!!
>
> Cassie Roth
> Earthly Edibles CSA
> NE Texas
>
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Hi Cassie and list,  I don't wash much.  I only wash roots crops, just
because there really is a ton of dirt on them and they are fairly easy.  The
beets I leave the tops on and put into a basin filled with water they wash
and "store" well during pick up times.  Carrots just give a dunk.  Don't
wash anything else.  Only thing I suppose that appears like it would need it
is the lettuce(other things really harvest rather "clean") and frankly I
think washing makes it soggy plus I don't have time.  There's barely enough
time for the work that needs doing without looking for extra jobs.  I really
think that it is not to the members detriment to trade the best tasting
veggies they have ever had at about 1/3 the cost of anywhere else for the
tiny bit of labor required for them to wash their individual share, compared
with the monumental task of me washing between 70-120 heads of lettuce per
week.  My two cents  Beth

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:12 PM
Subject: Wash shed/rack


> What does everyone currently use for washing the produce they pick from
> the
> field?  Do you get the residual dirt off by hand or do you wash/rinse
> everyhing before giving it to shareholders?  I have clay based soil (I am
> working on that), that if it drys, it is like rock.
>
> If you do wash, what kind of set-up does everyone use?  Also, for packing
> does anyone use canvas bags for re-use, or the ole standby wal-mart bags?
> :>)
>
> Thanks everyone for the posts about the CSA cookbooks that you
recommended.
>  Each one sounds great!!
>
> Cassie Roth
> Earthly Edibles CSA
> NE Texas
>
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What does everyone currently use for washing the produce they pick from 
the
field?  Do you get the residual dirt off by hand or do you wash/rinse
everyhing before giving it to shareholders?  I have clay based soil (I am 
working on that), that if it drys, it is like rock.

If you do wash, what kind of set-up does everyone use?  Also, for packing 
does anyone use canvas bags for re-use, or the ole standby wal-mart bags? 
:>)

Thanks everyone for the posts about the CSA cookbooks that you recommended. 
 Each one sounds great!!

Cassie Roth
Earthly Edibles CSA
NE Texas



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The scales are great!  The added bonus is that they can be used with
batteries so if I ever get the courage to go back to the farmers market,
they can be used there too.  I think you would be happy with them.

Brother and sister-in-law live in Maryland Heights not too far from where
you lived.  It's a great area for shopping.

Marie in Missouri




At 12:18 PM 07/24/2000, you wrote:
>Marie,
>
>Are the scales still working out good?  I called the company, i am still 
>pondering on purchasing them.
>
>I use to live in Lake St Louis, it is about 45 miles west of St Louis.  
>Couldn't garden in suburbia though, at least not on a big scale.
>
>Cassie
>Earthly Edibles CSA
>NE Texas
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Marie,

Are the scales still working out good?  I called the company, i am still 
pondering on purchasing them.

I use to live in Lake St Louis, it is about 45 miles west of St Louis.  
Couldn't garden in suburbia though, at least not on a big scale.

Cassie
Earthly Edibles CSA
NE Texas



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I like having a separate plot for our own food because I found myself saying
to my son "Don't pick that, we need it for the CSA." or foregoing eating our
veggies because I wanted to make sure the CSAers got their money's worth.
It's a short growing season here in Maine! We're building minimally heated
greenhouses this summer to grow as close to year round as possible and have
a summer share and a winter share.
~Crystal
Crystal Dawn Farm






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We, too, grow much for personal use. With some crops (onions, potatoes) we
set aside beds for "ours" and "farm member's." If "our" bed produces more
than we can use, the surplus always goes to the members. Other items we
simply graze from the garden, keeping in mind that we need enough, for
example, tomatoes on pick up day. We have heard of people picking their own
"share", similar to what a member would get, for their personal use.


Jim and Jo
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> Casie,
> We decided to organize our CSA so that our subscribers receive "5-20
pounds
> per week". We weren't sure how to divide our personal use veggies - which
we
> can in enormous quantity for winter - with our shareholders. We devised
this
> poundage method and it seems to be working very well. Early baskets that
are
> mostly salad greens look very full, but only weigh 5-7 pounds. Mid-season
> baskets sometimes bulge with 35 pounds, which is where the subscribers
> benefit with extra bounty. But it allows us to set a limit so that we
still
> have enough to support our households for the winter if need be. The
scales
> are great for keeping track of our yeild on each different vegetable and
on
> the basket weights each week.
>
> Tracy Meisterheim
> Wagbo Peace Center
> East Jordan, MI
>
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Casie,
We decided to organize our CSA so that our subscribers receive "5-20 pounds
per week". We weren't sure how to divide our personal use veggies - which we
can in enormous quantity for winter - with our shareholders. We devised this
poundage method and it seems to be working very well. Early baskets that are
mostly salad greens look very full, but only weigh 5-7 pounds. Mid-season
baskets sometimes bulge with 35 pounds, which is where the subscribers
benefit with extra bounty. But it allows us to set a limit so that we still
have enough to support our households for the winter if need be. The scales
are great for keeping track of our yeild on each different vegetable and on
the basket weights each week.

Tracy Meisterheim
Wagbo Peace Center
East Jordan, MI




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We, too, use the A to Z food book from MACSAC and find it helps us a lot
with member questions on what to do with different veggies, especially the
less common ones. We raised the price of a share by the cost of the book and
made everyone take one!

Jim and Jo
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> Does anyone currently have a CSA cookbook that they would be willing to
> share?  Or know where i can get one?
>
> Cassie
> Earthly Edibles CSA
> NE Texas
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> Do you currently weigh everything
> that you give your members so you can keep track of how many pounds they
> receive?

We weigh everything for the reason you state, but we do not necessarily
distribute by weight. That is, we sometimes offer items like summer squash
and many others "by the piece." Other times we might use a volume measure,
like "take one bag (salad greens)" or "one berry box." We have a (not legal
for trade) scale that members can weigh out larger items like potatoes and
onions. All this implies that we do not box shares up in advance, a
distribution system that we find works well for us.

Jim and Jo
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> Marie or anyone else,
>
> How do you plan on using the scales?  >
> I know some CSAs do there shares by the pound.  Do you think that is a
good
> way to do shares?.
>
> I am new to the CSA world and I was thinking about purchasing those scales
> but I didn't know how I could use them.
>
> Cassie Roth
> Earthly Edibles CSA
> NE Texas
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Our 8 farm CSA was a topic of 5 years of recipes, which is now a great book.
 The Rolling Prairie Cookbook is available in single copies from Growing for
Market <growing4market@earthlink.net> for $14.95 plus postage.  For
wholesale quantities, call Jim Lewis at 785/841-7617.  All our CSA
subscribers get a copy and they love it.  Nancy O'Connor, the author is the
nutritionist/educator for our local Food Coop.  The recipes are easy and
tasty.


---
Lynn Byczynski or Dan Nagengast <growing4market@earthlink.net>
Growing for Market 





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Hello Cappy,

Thanks for the compliments.  This is our first year so I am not sure how much
we are doing right but so far our customers are very pleased and we are half
way through our season.

I'd be glad to do an interview - sounds like fun!

Cheri

cappy@harborside.com wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Thanks for the phone number and reminder about that
> book.  I've been meaning to purchase one for myself and
> research material.
>
> You mentioned you put one in your baskets first of the
> season.  What a great marketing tool.  I bet your
> customers really appreciate it.
>
> I'd like to chat with you more on this and other
> marketing ideas you're doing - I'm the writer for the
> Capital Press Agriculture Weekly - published in Salem,
> Oregon - distributed to Oregon, Washington, Idaho and
> California.  My column, "Fresh New Ideas" is targeted
> to small farms and specialty food companies.
>
> It's always fun writing a personal profile story in the
> column.  Would you be interested in an interview?
>
> You really are doing things right!  Hats off to you!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Cappy Tosetti
> Bumper Crop Marketing
>
> www.bumpercropmarketing.com
>
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Quoting cshel <cshel@usit.net>:

> Hi Cassie,
>
> I purchased the cookbook "From Asparagus to Zucchini" 
by Madison Area
> Community Supported Agriculture Coalition.  You can 
reach them at
> 608-226-0300.  There is a discount if you purchase 10 
or more.  It is a
> wonderful book - we include it with our first baskets 
of the season.  It is
> also full of great CSA information.
>
> Cheri
> Sweet Hollow Farm
> NE Tennessee
>
> Cassie Lee Roth wrote:
>
> > Does anyone currently have a CSA cookbook that they 
would be willing to
> > share?  Or know where i can get one?
> >
> > Cassie
> > Earthly Edibles CSA
> > NE Texas
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Cheri,

Thanks for the phone number and reminder about that 
book.  I've been meaning to purchase one for myself and 
research material.

You mentioned you put one in your baskets first of the 
season.  What a great marketing tool.  I bet your 
customers really appreciate it.

I'd like to chat with you more on this and other 
marketing ideas you're doing - I'm the writer for the 
Capital Press Agriculture Weekly - published in Salem, 
Oregon - distributed to Oregon, Washington, Idaho and 
California.  My column, "Fresh New Ideas" is targeted 
to small farms and specialty food companies.

It's always fun writing a personal profile story in the 
column.  Would you be interested in an interview?

You really are doing things right!  Hats off to you!

Sincerely,

Cappy Tosetti
Bumper Crop Marketing

www.bumpercropmarketing.com



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Hi Cassie,

I purchased the cookbook "From Asparagus to Zucchini" by Madison Area
Community Supported Agriculture Coalition.  You can reach them at
608-226-0300.  There is a discount if you purchase 10 or more.  It is a
wonderful book - we include it with our first baskets of the season.  It is
also full of great CSA information.

Cheri
Sweet Hollow Farm
NE Tennessee

Cassie Lee Roth wrote:

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> share?  Or know where i can get one?
>
> Cassie
> Earthly Edibles CSA
> NE Texas
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Thanks for the tip, Marie! I ordered mine Tuesday, they arrived today
(Thursday) and they are wonderful!!!! I too was surprised to find the
battery option - what a bonus! Ours will be used for weighing chickens,
which we also sell through our CSA.

Tracy Meisterheim
Wagbo Peace Center
East Jordan, Michigan
teaching peaceable, sustainable living

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community supported agriculture Digest for Thursday, July 13, 2000.

1. Scales For Sale Cheap

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Subject: Scales For Sale Cheap
From: Marie Kamphefner <kampy@grm.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:10:35 -0500
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Hello all,

There is a liquidator who is selling Berkel candy scales for about $80.
including shipping.  If you're in Indiana or Ohio, you can go pick them up
I understand.  These will weigh things up to 15 lbs and are legal for
trade.   These were used in a pharmacy chain to weigh loose candy and are
barely used.  It's the type that figures the price for you and retails for
up to $500.   I ordered one to weigh my veggies.  Here is the information:

     Southeastern Fixtures & Liquidators
     3306 Pepperell Pky.
     Opelika, Alabama 36801
     Virgil Petty, owner
     Cell phone: 404-307-3053
     Office: 334-741-0550
     Fax: 334-741-0596

Marie in Missouri






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Does anyone currently have a CSA cookbook that they would be willing to
share?  Or know where i can get one?

Cassie
Earthly Edibles CSA
NE Texas



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How do you plan on using the scales?  

I plan to use them to weigh the vegetables I sell.

I too, am new to CSA and I'm thinking the best way to divide up the harvest
is by weight.  Also I'm thinking it's the best way to keep track of what a
share is worth.  

I'm sure I'll find many used for the scales. 

Marie in Missouri




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Marie or anyone else,

How do you plan on using the scales?  Do you currently weigh everything 
that you give your members so you can keep track of how many pounds they 
receive?

I know some CSAs do there shares by the pound.  Do you think that is a good 
way to do shares?.

I am new to the CSA world and I was thinking about purchasing those scales 
but I didn't know how I could use them.

Cassie Roth
Earthly Edibles CSA
NE Texas



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My scales arrived today and they're fantastic!  They even have a place for
batteries so they can be used outside.

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Subject: Re: [Fwd: [allchow] [Fwd: German Breed Bans - action we can take.]]
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:57:08 -0500, Josie Klapper <jstk@swbell.net>
wrote:

>Sorry about the mass mailing.  This is ridiculous and deserves as wide
>of a distribution as possible. 

Not in this list it doesn't. Your post has absolutely nothing to do
with CSA. Please do not post this sort of thing here again.

LL
csa list owner


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Subject: Homestead Labor Day Party!  Come to Vermont.....
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Labor Day Party!      <A 
HREF="http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/laborday.html">laborday</A>   
http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/laborday.html
  
Make plans now to come to the third annual Peace and Carrot's Homestead Labor 
Day Party! 

September 1, 2, 3 & 4, 2000

The party will be a get-together celebrating homesteading and homesteaders.  
Workshops include short versions of our usual offerings: rope making, 
homestead boat building, ice cream making, chicken tractors, underground 
house building, wood-fired bread oven baking, medicinal herbs, herb garden 
planning and design, cooking from the pantry and root cellar, the homestead 
orchard, worm composting, edible landscaping, homestead permaculture, solar 
cooking, getting prepared for lean times, making compost, homestead water 
systems, seed saving, cider making, stocking up, homeschooling and special 
children's workshops.

Come camp in our fields and woods. Bring a tent, or make arrangements to use 
ours. We will have a pig roast on Saturday, there will be tours of our 
underground home and the organic gardens, daily potlucks and nightly 
campfires. There are two creeks on the property for cooling off and playing 
in. Curtis Pond is a mile away. Expect any sort of weather from hot and humid 
to cold, dry or rainy. There is a double-seater outhouse in the field for 
your use. If you would like to teach a workshop, let me know what and when. 

We are looking for people who would like to sell food, homestead-related 
products, herbs, seeds, etc. at the Labor Day party.   
 
Wendy
Peace and Carrots Farm
Calais, Vermont
imfarms@aol.com
 <A HREF="http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/">Peace and Carrots Farm</A
> 
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Sorry about the mass mailing.  This is ridiculous and deserves as wide
of a distribution as possible.  PLEASE NOTE that some of the breeds
under attack are flock/livestock protection animals, and most protection
animals will be larger than the size restriction.
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: German Breed Bans - action we can take.
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:58:37 GMT
From: "Chris Kelly" <ckelly@imsi.com>
Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds

Hello All,
I understand that many of us are hearing all about this daily.  If you
are,
please read the full content of this message.

If you have not heard of what is happening in Germany, to make a long
story short, a German drug dealer raised an Amstaff to attack people,
and abused the hell out of it.  It attacked an killed a six year old
child
on a school playground.  Germany is making ownership of many
different breeds of dogs illegal, and are putting these dogs to death. 
They
will not even let them leave the country, in many cases.  They are
giving
them a 3 hour long 'behavior test' which is designed to fail.  Then they
are confiscting and killing the dogs.  In areas where this has not yet
occured, other things are... like marking all the owners and vigilantes
are killing the dogs... without the law interfering.  Dog Genocide... a
familiar aproach for that country.

The following is a very imporant bulletin.  PLEASE READ THIS.

20/7/00
Dear Breed Club Secretary

RE: DOGS IN GERMANY FACING EXECUTION

You are probably by now aware of recent developments in Germany
regarding
certain breeds of dog that have been singled out for specific
discrimination. These sixteen breeds of dog, (including all the Bull
breeds), face an outright ban or severe restrictions under new
legislation
enacted by German States.

This situation arose from a spate of attacks allegedly carried out by
American Staffordshire Terriers and dogs of the Pit Bull type.

Germany is a federal republic and therefore each State Parliament is
responsible for creating its own laws. Unfortunately, it would appear
that
every State is in the process of bringing in restrictive laws against
the
chosen breeds, which they term 'fighting dogs'.

The breeds currently targeted in Germany and recognised in the UK are:
Anatolian Shepherd Dog, Bull Terrier, Bullmastiff, Dogue De Bordeaux,
Mastiff, Neapolitan Mastiff, Rhodesian Ridgeback and Staffordshire Bull
Terrier. The Stafford has been singled out for particular persecution.
It
has been reported that there have been no biting incidents whatsoever
regarding Staffordshire Bull Terriers, but they have still  been placed
on
Category One alongside Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire
Terriers, purely because of their name association.

We should all be very concerned regarding the inclusion of these breeds
as
they are well established in the UK and are not considered 'fighting
dogs'
or a threat to public safety by our Government. We should be horrified
to
hear of these developments and be proactive in attempting to protect
these
breeds and prevent the possibility of this happening in the UK. Now is
the
time to unite in an attempt to quell the anti-dog campaign currently
being
perpetuated in Europe. Pressure really needs to be brought to bear on
the
German Government as a concerted effort to protect 'man's best friend'.
We
cannot stress how important this issue is - the German Federal Minister
of
the Interior has recently made a statement that his Government may be
lobbying Europe in an attempt to make the German legislation European
Law by
November 2000. Also, if any dog reaches a height of 40cm (15.7 inches)
or a
weight of 20kg (44 pounds), it will come under the direct jurisdiction
of
this Law. This legislation could affect all dogs and as dog lovers, we
must
all act now.


   More.
GB/2.

WHAT YOU CAN  DO!
As a Breed Club Secretary you should write to all your members to draw
the
matter to their attention. You should ask them to write to their MP, MEP
and
German Government. You should consider doing the same on behalf of your
Breed Club and its members and on your own behalf. (Your local MP and
MEP is
attached).

The suggested form of words to the MP and MEP could be:
" I am alarmed to learn of developments now taking place in Germany
regarding 16 breeds of dog that appear to have been singled out for
specific
discrimination and are now allegedly facing a compulsory destruction
order,
outright ban or severe restrictions under new laws enacted by German
States.
I, as a dog lover, am horrified to hear of these developments and
respectfully request prompt assistance in an attempt to protect these
breeds.

Of particular concern to me is the inclusion of breeds such as the
Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, Bullmastiff, Old English
Mastiff,
Neapolitan Mastiff and Rhodesian Ridgeback. These breeds are well
established and recognised in the UK and are not considered 'fighting
dogs'
or a threat to public safety by our Government. They are in fact widely
considered to be ideal family pets.

We all know of the broad spectrum of positive benefits that dogs bring
to
our lives so we should all make a concerted effort to protect 'man's
best
friend'.

I strongly believe that the inclusion of these breeds is a serious error
of
judgement and you are in a position to right this wrong - please
consider
the genuine facts and evidence before supporting any anti-dog
legislation
which will distress thousands of family pets and their owners. Please do
not
support any legislation which would endanger the life or freedom of my
family pet dog and also do all you can to aid the dogs currently
suffering
in Germany.

Suggested form of words to the German Chancellor Herr Schroeder:
"I write with reference to recent developments in your country regarding
certain breeds of dog that would appear to have been singled out for
specific discrimination. These sixteen breeds of dog (including all the
bull
breeds), face an outright ban or severe restrictions under new laws
enacted
by German States. I, as a dog lover, am horrified to hear of these
developments and respectfully request the rationale for your decision.
Of
particular concern to me is the inclusion of breeds such as the
Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, Bullmastiff, Old English
Mastiff,
Neapolitan Mastiff and Rhodesian Ridgeback. These breeds are well
established and recognised in the UK and are not considered 'fighting
dogs'
or a threat to public safety by our Government. They are in fact widely
considered to be ideal family pets.

   More.

GB/3.

I strongly believe that the inclusion of these breeds is a serious error
of
judgement and you are in a position to right this wrong - please
consider
the genuine facts and evidence before effectively phasing out these
breeds
which is distressing thousands of family pets and their owners in
Germany.
The UK has already experienced the complexities and injustice of the
Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 and I would not like to think that these breeds
are
being persecuted as a result of hysteria caused by the media and
maintained
by the Anti-Dog Lobby in Germany."

Contact address for Herr Schroeder: Hernn Bundeskanzler, Gerhard
Schroeder,
Schlossplatz 1, D - 10178, Berlin, Federal Republic Of Germany. E-mail:
gerhard.schroeder@bundestag.de


Please do all you can - thank you for any assistance that you are able
to
offer.

Kind regards
Yours sincerely


Phil Buckley
External Affairs Department

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Hello all,

There is a liquidator who is selling Berkel candy scales for about $80.
including shipping.  If you're in Indiana or Ohio, you can go pick them up
I understand.  These will weigh things up to 15 lbs and are legal for
trade.   These were used in a pharmacy chain to weigh loose candy and are
barely used.  It's the type that figures the price for you and retails for
up to $500.   I ordered one to weigh my veggies.  Here is the information:
  
     Southeastern Fixtures & Liquidators
     3306 Pepperell Pky.
     Opelika, Alabama 36801
     Virgil Petty, owner
     Cell phone: 404-307-3053
     Office: 334-741-0550
     Fax: 334-741-0596

Marie in Missouri






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> 10 Ways You Can Tell When Your Cow Has Mad Cow
> Disease
> 
> 1) Your cow insists on wearing a little A-1 sauce
> behind each ear as cologne.
> 
> 2) She refuses to let you milk her, saying, "Not on
> a first date."
> 
> 3) Your cow takes up painting and cuts off one of
> its ears.
> 
> 4) She gets silicone implants for her udders.
> 
> 5) She appears on Oprah, claiming to be a horse
> trapped in a cow's body.
> 
> 6) Your cow demands to be branded with the Golden
> Arches.
> 
> 7) Your cow insists that all Hindus are sacred.
> 
> 8) Your cow thought Frank Bruno would beat Mike
> Tyson.
> 
> 9) You catch your cow hiding secret plans to burn
> down half of Chicago.
> 
> 10) Your cow quits the family dairy business and
> applies for a job at Burger King.
> 
> : )
> 
> 
>
> 


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Hi,

    My wife and I are members of a 8 farmer cooperative which operates a
CSA.  This is our seventh season.  There is a very thorough booklet on us
entitled Subscribing To Change, available from the Kansas Rural Center, P.O.
Box 133, Whiting, KS,  66552.  Make check payable to KRC for $7.  The
booklet includes everything from Articles of Incorporation to weekly bag
listings to farm descriptions to sample newsletters.  

It is a good deal for the money.


---
Dan Nagengast <growing4market@earthlink.net>
Growing for Market 





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While not specifically relating to the questions posted here, a 1999 study
funded by the Michigan Organic Farm and Food Association that we did speaks
to several intern issues: selection and recruitment techniques and resources
and training issues. We can send the report (8 pages) as an email attachment
to anyone who requests it. We also have a printed copy which we can send but
would prefer to save the paper and the postage :>)

Jim and Jo
The Community Farm Newsletter
http://www.mufn.org/public/tcf
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From: cshel <cshel@usit.net>
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Subject: First year CSA interns


> Hi,
> I have some questions about interns.  This is our first year as a CSA and
our
> intern not only didn't show up but also didn't (and hasn't) bothered to
contact
> us. So, we are thinking about next year.  I was wondering if anyone has
> accepted an intern from another country.  We have been contacted by
someone
> from Cameroon looking for a place next year.  What is involved if you
accept
> someone from another country?
> Has it been successful for you?  Does this require dealing with US
> Immigration?  Any advice?
>
> I don't suppose we farmers have a place to check that warns us about
difficult
> interns? :)  Sort of a black list - LOL  I guess I could add a name this
year!
>
> Thanks,
> Cheri Shelnutt
> Sweet Hollow Farm
> NE Tennessee
>
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This can be one of the best ways to operate a CSA, IMNSHO.

With a network of other local farmers I'm no longer obligated to try to grow 
everything everybody wants, whether or not I like growing it or whether or 
not my land is suited to it (for example, I'm on rocky hardscrabble with 
lots of deer -- not good for corn).  I network with somebody in the river 
valley who does uncertified organic corn just to have a use for her 
composted chicken and turkey manure.  She doesn't want to have lots of 
"civilians" wandering aruund on her property (not much of a people person); 
my main focus is education of those civilians and I love having them here.  
Everybody wins!

I also network with a farmer who's got a huge operation on the river.  He's 
not organic but he operates several u-pick operations with IPM.  He just put 
out 40,000 pepper plants, whoof!  I run group picking-and-putting-up 
parties.  Everybody wins!

The important thing to do if you're coordinating something like this is to 
make sure that you're getting what you want and need for the amount of 
effort and expense you're putting out.  I address this directly with the 
farmers and with the members -- "I can do this and I'm willing to do this 
and what's going to be in it for me?"  This might seem mercenary at first, 
but it sure beats burnout and resentment later.

At this point the farmers are willing to sell to me at wholesale, and 
members are willing to pay retail commercial prices once they compare those 
to certified organic prices.  So I'm making more as a networker/distributor 
than I ever will as a farmer.

It took me a while to feel okay with this.  But hey, outside employers are 
willing to pay me $20 an hour and more for my skills with computer and 
writing (newsletters, e-group lists, websites, etc.) and group facilitation 
(trainer of trainers in creative conflict resolution, quality system 
auditor).  So there is no reason for me to feel bad about being paid at the 
same rate if I'm using those same skills, and there really is nothing wrong 
with prosperity.

There's a big difference between the person who's put $40,000 of her life's 
savings and her name on a $60,000 mortgage and the annual tax rolls in order 
to have a farm, and brings wholesaled items from other local farms -- and 
the guy who buys a used pickup and backs it up to a wholesale loading dock 
and then represents himself as a farmer at the market, selling at 25% over 
wholesale so that bona fide farmers can't get retail prices.  That's a 
common scam at lots of markets and one of the reasons I keep working to 
create a CSA network in this area.

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm & Center for Sustainable Living
Corning, NY

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> From: Molly Petersons <petersns@mail.whidbey.com>

> A group of us are considering forming a co-op to market our veggies
> cooperatively as a large CSA.  

There is a group of 14 farms in Maryland that has formed a coop and runs a
CSA:

Maryland Certified Organic Growers Cooperative
410-257-0134

I know nothing more about them, but they were/are in business for 2000.

Andy

Andy Clark, Ph.D.
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c/o AFSIC, Room 304
National Agricultural Library
10301 Baltimore Ave.
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> From: Molly Petersons <petersns@mail.whidbey.com>
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> A group of us are considering forming a co-op to market our veggies
> cooperatively as a large CSA.  We live in a region where 
> there are some
> large farms growing corn, grains, peas, squash and seed crops and some
> small acreage farms growing mixed vegetables.  I'm the only 
> one with direct
> experience operating a CSA, and a co-op sounds good to me, but I'm
> wondering if any of you have experience with this concept.  I 
> know that in
> Seattle there is a many famer CSA providing food to office 
> workers in the
> city.  We would be targeting large employers in our area as potential
> membership pools and pick-up sites.  Any info on how this has 
> worked for
> others would be helpful for our group.
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A group of us are considering forming a co-op to market our veggies
cooperatively as a large CSA.  We live in a region where there are some
large farms growing corn, grains, peas, squash and seed crops and some
small acreage farms growing mixed vegetables.  I'm the only one with direct
experience operating a CSA, and a co-op sounds good to me, but I'm
wondering if any of you have experience with this concept.  I know that in
Seattle there is a many famer CSA providing food to office workers in the
city.  We would be targeting large employers in our area as potential
membership pools and pick-up sites.  Any info on how this has worked for
others would be helpful for our group.





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Hi,
I have some questions about interns.  This is our first year as a CSA and our
intern not only didn't show up but also didn't (and hasn't) bothered to contact
us. So, we are thinking about next year.  I was wondering if anyone has
accepted an intern from another country.  We have been contacted by someone
from Cameroon looking for a place next year.  What is involved if you accept
someone from another country?
Has it been successful for you?  Does this require dealing with US
Immigration?  Any advice?

I don't suppose we farmers have a place to check that warns us about difficult
interns? :)  Sort of a black list - LOL  I guess I could add a name this year!

Thanks,
Cheri Shelnutt
Sweet Hollow Farm
NE Tennessee




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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflondon@mindspring.com>
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Subject: (fwd) Peace and Carrots Farm seeks interns
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:22:41 -0400
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:51:54 EDT, in farm-personals CSAfarmer@aol.com
wrote:


We are looking for more interns for the 2000 growing season. We have a
CSA,=20
homestead learning center and are looking for interns who want to help
and=20
learn about those and/or underground house building. Also....all are
invited=20
to the Labor Day Homestead Party ;-)  Check out our website for
further info,=20
or write to me.

Peace and Carrots Farm
csafarmer@aol.com
Calais, Vermont
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots">http://www.homestead.co=
m/pe
aceandcarrots</A>


Lawrence F. London, Jr. Venaura Farm ICQ#27930345
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metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
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I offer all members a 20% "finder's fee" for every enrollment that comes 
about as a direct result of their efforts.

It's as simple as "...and where did you hear about us?"

For instance, if a church puts up my flyer and four people become General 
Members at $25 per family, I send the church a $20 check as soon as those 
checks clear the bank.  If all four new GMs buy garden shares ($100 each), 
the church gets another $80 check!

One church kept those payments and sent them right back to me to buy shares 
for some of their needy members.

It works for individuals too.  Great motivator to get that old "word of 
mouth" going and if I do my job right this year, most of these new enrollees 
will renew memberships next year.

People have already paid for their memberships when I recruit them for 
distribution sites.  I don't refund their share price but I do make sure 
they get special thank yous and extra goodies throughout the season.

A database sure helps!

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
Corning, NY
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I offer all members a 20% "finder's fee" for every enrollment that comes 
about as a direct result of their efforts.

It's as simple as "...and where did you hear about us?"

For instance, if a church puts up my flyer and four people become General 
Members at $25 per family, I send the church a $20 check as soon as those 
checks clear the bank.  If all four new GMs buy garden shares ($100 each), 
the church gets another $80 check!

One church kept those payments and sent them right back to me to buy shares 
for some of their needy members.

It works for individuals too.  Great motivator to get that old "word of 
mouth" going and if I do my job right this year, most of these new enrollees 
will renew memberships next year.

People have already paid for their memberships when I recruit them for 
distribution sites.  I don't refund their share price but I do make sure 
they get special thank yous and extra goodies throughout the season.

A database sure helps!

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
Corning, NY
http://www.ic.org/agrove

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Nicely said. And while we have no direct experience in the situation Cassie
describes, we know that at least some farms offer incentives to the folks
who host CSA pickup. It is a bit of work and some trouble and worth a lot to
a farmer who needs a distribution spot that is supervised. It may be a free
share, or a reduced rate. Another incentive we have heard of is a reduced
price for the person who gets 10 (or whatever number you  choose) neighbors
to sign up. While CSA is indeed about support of the farmer, in order to
build community (another part of the CSA ethic) there is good reason to
compensate people who are going beyond the "norm" in the farm's or
community's interest.

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> I was very disappointed when I read the first response to your inquiry. I
> don't think that cynicism and self centered attitudes are part of the CSA
> spirit. I belonged to a CSA this year and that farm offered both a working
> and a non-working membership. THe working membership allowed members to
> donate two hours per week toward farm operations. Hours worked were logged
>  on the honor system) and those members received a share at a discount.
> Undoubtly you will have to experiment to find the best system for you. I
> believe that a CSA farm can be a team project but it will only work if all
> participants are acknowledged for the contribution that they make.
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> To: "community supported agriculture" <csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 8:30 AM
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>
>
> > Does anyone currently give a share or part of share to a shareholder to
> > have the distribution at there house?
> >
> > I am currently recruiting members for next year.  I have someone that
> wants
> > 50 brochures to hand out in there neighborhood, I was wondering what
kinds
> > of incentives i could give this person if they had distribution at there
> > site.
> >
> > Next year will be my first year of CSA and I currently do not have any
> > members yet.  I was trying to think of marketing ideas that could get
some
> > members.  I am approx 50 miles for Dallas, TX a big city.  This person
is
> > in that city, i thought if they had distribution at there site that
would
> > be wonderfu.
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Cassie
> > Earthy Edibles
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We have always made on-farm pick up a condition of membership, but our
geographical location makes this convenient.  We are just off a main
highway equidistant between 3 small towns on an island.  We do have some
members driving 10-25 miles to pick up a share, and I will encourage those
who are grouped at a distance to send one member to pick up.  I agree with
the sentiment that we are in the business of farming, not delivery.  We do
offer worker discounted shares, and set a scheduled weekly number of hours
equivalent (at prevailing farm wages) to the average weekly share value.
This has worked moderately well over the years, and quite well this year.
We expanded to 37 shares, and have scheduled the workers to arrive 3 hours
before the pickup time.  That way they do their work, and then take home
their vegetables with everyone else.  We get help with harvesting at the
critical time of those days.  This year we also tried using helpers before
the official season began ( we run a short 12 week season that fits school
schedules).  This arrangement has kept us ahead of weeds better than ever
before; transplanting is more timely as is seeding.  All of this depends on
the committment of the helpers.  We did a press release in early April
emphasizing the work-trade and educational opportunities.  This seems to
have produced the most committed batch of workers yet.  I may be telling a
different story at the end of the season, but so far I'm encouraged.
In the past I have traded shares with different folks like an
acupuncturist, a massage therapist, and a physical therapist ( yes, I'm
wearing out physically).  I find myself resenting the fact that these
occupations can value their time at $40-50 per hour, and my time as a
farmer is valued at more like $5-7/hr.  That resentment gets in the way, so
I have to agree that offering perks should be carefully considered.  You
are already providing a public service.





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I was very disappointed when I read the first response to your inquiry. I
don't think that cynicism and self centered attitudes are part of the CSA
spirit. I belonged to a CSA this year and that farm offered both a working
and a non-working membership. THe working membership allowed members to
donate two hours per week toward farm operations. Hours worked were logged
 on the honor system) and those members received a share at a discount.
Undoubtly you will have to experiment to find the best system for you. I
believe that a CSA farm can be a team project but it will only work if all
participants are acknowledged for the contribution that they make.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cassie Lee Roth" <casroth@9plus.net>
To: "community supported agriculture" <csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 8:30 AM
Subject: Free share for having distribution at there house


> Does anyone currently give a share or part of share to a shareholder to
> have the distribution at there house?
>
> I am currently recruiting members for next year.  I have someone that
wants
> 50 brochures to hand out in there neighborhood, I was wondering what kinds
> of incentives i could give this person if they had distribution at there
> site.
>
> Next year will be my first year of CSA and I currently do not have any
> members yet.  I was trying to think of marketing ideas that could get some
> members.  I am approx 50 miles for Dallas, TX a big city.  This person is
> in that city, i thought if they had distribution at there site that would
> be wonderfu.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Cassie
> Earthy Edibles
> NE Texas
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 8:30:12, community supported agriculture wrote:

>  Does anyone currently give a share or part of share to a shareholder to 
>  have the distribution at there house?
>  
>  I am currently recruiting members for next year.  I have someone that
wants 
>  50 brochures to hand out in there neighborhood, I was wondering what
kinds 
>  of incentives i could give this person if they had distribution at there 
>  site.
>  
>  Next year will be my first year of CSA and I currently do not have any 
>  members yet.  I was trying to think of marketing ideas that could get
some 
>  members.  I am approx 50 miles for Dallas, TX a big city.  This person is

>  in that city, i thought if they had distribution at there site that would

>  be wonderfu.
>  
>  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>  
>  Cassie
>  Earthy Edibles
>  NE Texas
>  
>
Cassie,

I have found in 3 years as a CSA that the more perks you include the more
work and less money for you. CSA is not about conveince for the member-If
folks want organic local food with little work they can go down to the
farmer's market and buy from us there.If they want true convience they can
go to Kroger's or McDonald's. Most folks are not even suited to be in a CSA
so find and go after those who have a clue and forget the other 99%.

Many people include delivery to their members but remember that delivery
will take you away from your farm for at least half a day every week-that is
time you should be spending on your member's crops not on the
members.Develop a pick up system where the members come out once or twice a
season to pick up for everyone (saves a lot of fuel over everyone coming out
each week). This is what we are doing this year with great success. No, we
do not give discounts/free shares for this as I see it as a part of being a
member

It is very hard to stop perks without losing a lot members once you start
them. 

The best way to get members is to find the organic/sustainable groups in
your area. Almost all towns and cities have these groups though they may be
hard to find.

Once you get members gently nudge them into being active with the CSA-have
events, ask for help with feild work, ask for packaging supplies-what ever,
just something that they can do to actively participate. 

We have given out working shares but in every case but one the members got
cheap food and we got to do all the work because they had a million and one
reasons for not coming out to the farm.

CSA is supposed to support you not your farm supporting the members-hey they
all make a lot more money than you do.

Good Luck with your CSA


Lucy Goodman-Owsley
Boulder Belt CSA
New Paris, OH
Website: http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/boulderbeltcsa
Organic Farming and Gardening Forum:
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Does anyone currently give a share or part of share to a shareholder to 
have the distribution at there house?

I am currently recruiting members for next year.  I have someone that wants 
50 brochures to hand out in there neighborhood, I was wondering what kinds 
of incentives i could give this person if they had distribution at there 
site.

Next year will be my first year of CSA and I currently do not have any 
members yet.  I was trying to think of marketing ideas that could get some 
members.  I am approx 50 miles for Dallas, TX a big city.  This person is 
in that city, i thought if they had distribution at there site that would 
be wonderfu.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cassie
Earthy Edibles
NE Texas



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After ten years at this CSA thing, I've found a few things that work for me.

1.  I offer a choice between specific item orders and acceptance of a 
"farmer's choice" basket.  FC contains almost 50% more but most people 
select the specific ordering option, go figure.  They must all be control 
freaks.  <G>

2.  I don't try to grow just what the CSA wants and needs.  It's just a 
piece of my operation, hopefully one of these years it will enable me to do 
away with being so dirt-poor from March through August because harvest 
shareholders will help with those pesky expenses of seed buying and plowing 
and planting labor.  I have sold excess but now sell only to paid members 
and donate the rest to the local food bank, which gives me a Fair Market 
Value tax deduction receipt which I can apply against the income from my 
off-farm job.  So my vegetable growing helps to feed people of low income 
and reduces the war taxes I pay.  Win-Win!

3.  I'm still working on on-line forms, and still working on the idea of 
"general memberships" for all those people who aren't ready to make a $200 
commitment for a 20-week garden share or even $100 for a debit account.  My 
whole philosophy rolls around the basic idea that a small organic farm 
offers more to a community than just the produce it, well, produces -- and 
it's only fair that members of the community compensate the farmer for those 
benefits.  So I offer general memberships at $25 a year.  See 
http://www.ic.org/agrove/members for benefits.  So far I've got local 
members and one from Chicago and one from New Zealand!

4.  And yes I'm still looking for members/housemates/apprentices/partners to 
share this experiment.  Several of our members have their own farms.

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
Corning, NY

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>How did you determine when/what/how to cultivate for each member,
The first year we used the tables in John Jeavon's "How to Grow more
Vegetables..." book. They gave some guidance, though much modification has
occurred as we learn how much *our* gardens produce. We also have surveyed
our members (either during the season, a question or two, or at the end of
the season) to get an impression of how much of particular things they like
("More, less, it's about right").

 >did they choose their product
The first year we bagged everything up. After learning that most people
don't like one thing or another, we have gone to laying things out for
people to choose, and giving advice on maximum that they can take (by the
pound, the number or the "bunch" or "Bag" in things we separate and bag up.


>and how did each of you determine membership dues/fees/pricing?
We started too low in our first year and gradually increased until we felt
that we were getting enough. Tricky issue, with many possible
answers...after many years we found that we were priced about right by
talking to other CSA farmers. We found that many farms end up being about a
dollar a pound.

Did you deliver, did they pick up?
Most pickup at the farm, a few that are a distance away get their bagged up
veggies at a central point that we deliver to (a deli in our case, which is
also a farm member). Lots of variation here among farms, depending on
rural/urban proximity (we are very rural area, but only have 26 members,
with plenty of interested folks nearby); interest of the farmer in having
people come to the farm; lots of considerations here, but we like the idea
of people coming to the farm, getting at least some connection to the land
on which their food is grown. There is a big social component to the farm
pickup, at least here--people expect some attention, conversation, maybe a
look around, that sort of thing. You will have to be ready for that, or
"train" your members in the process that *you* want and can handle.

> How did you go about getting CSA members and would you do anything
differently now?
Almost all of ours come from word of mouth from other satisfied members. We
started with several friends the first year to get the process down and it
grew from there. Newspapers may take an interest in your farm as it makes
good public interest copy, and we have gotten members that way too. Others
do much more outreach and can speak more to the issue, but almost everyone
that we talk to agrees that the best member is one referred to you by
another happy member.

Jim and Jo
The Community Farm Newsletter
http://www.mufn.org/public/tcf
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> Dear listmembers:
>
> Hi!  I'm new to the CSA list!
>
> I am seriously considering going strictly CSA next year and would
> appreciate the advice and opinions of all those that are involved in CSA's
> now or have been in the past.  Both pro and con options.
>
> I have some ideas of how to go about it but I'd like the input of those
that
> have 'hands-on' experience, rather than just using the USDA & AMS
guidelines
> and principals.
>
> How did you determine when/what/how to cultivate for each member, did they
> choose their product and how did each of you determine membership
> dues/fees/pricing?  Did you deliver, did they pick up?  How did you go
> about getting CSA members and would you do anything differently now?
>
> I would consider your input invaluable as a decision making process.
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Blessings,
> Ava
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Dear listmembers:

Hi!  I'm new to the CSA list!

I am seriously considering going strictly CSA next year and would
appreciate the advice and opinions of all those that are involved in CSA's 
now or have been in the past.  Both pro and con options.

I have some ideas of how to go about it but I'd like the input of those that 
have 'hands-on' experience, rather than just using the USDA & AMS guidelines 
and principals.

How did you determine when/what/how to cultivate for each member, did they 
choose their product and how did each of you determine membership
dues/fees/pricing?  Did you deliver, did they pick up?  How did you go
about getting CSA members and would you do anything differently now?

I would consider your input invaluable as a decision making process.
Thanks in advance!

Blessings,
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Dear All--

Angelic Organics needs a cook!!  Angelic Organics is a CSA that serves
about 850 families in the Chicago area. We have a crew of about 10-12
people that work and live on the farm, but we are missing one essential
team member -- a cook / manager of residential life.  The support that
the cook / residential manager brings to the farm team rejuvenates our
energy to do the farm work and strengthens our farm community. This is
an opportunity for people who want to have a connection to a farm and to
the natural ebb and flow of the seasons and the seasons' produce. It's
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You may find this of interest.  Susie

>                                            
> 
> >
> >TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
> >
> >This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
> >
> >America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> >Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
> remarkable
> >editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian
> television
> >commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
> >printed in the Congressional Record:
> >
> >*This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
> most
> >generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
> >Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out
> of
> >the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
> >forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying
> >even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
> >
> >When the France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans
> >who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on
> the
> >streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >
> >When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries
> in
> >to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by
> tornadoes.
> >Nobody helped.
> >
> >The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into
> >discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing
> about
> >the decadent, war mongering Americans.
> >
> >I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
> >erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
> other
> >country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> >Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?  If so, why don't they fly them?
> Why
> >do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> >
> >Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on
> the
> >moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk
> >about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.
> >
> >You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not
> >once, but several times - and safely home again.
> >
> >You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store
> >window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued
> >and hounded.  They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they
> >are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa
> at
> >home to spend here.
> >
> >When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through
> >age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania
> Railroad
> >and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose.
> Both
> >are still broke.
> >
> >I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other
> >people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced
> to
> >the Americans in trouble?  I don't think there was outside help even
> during
> >the San Francisco earthquake.
> >
> >Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned
> tired
> >of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
> >their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose
> at
> >the lands that are gloating    over their present troubles. I hope Canada
> is
> >not one of those.
> >
> >Stand proud, America!
> >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the
> >United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the
> >rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything,
> and
> >never even get a thank you for the things we do.
> >
> >I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you
> can
> >and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until
> >this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single
> American
> >that has read this, I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.
> >
> 
> 
> 

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Lawrence F. London, Jr. Venaura Farm ICQ#27930345
lflondon@mindspring.com  london@metalab.unc.edu
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO

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From: Fred Chambers <regenerative@earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: entry-level CSA


Hi Tracy, and everyone,

I did a little paper on the feasibility of a CSA-style enterprise at my 
school in Southern California.  The title, objective and intro to  the 
paper follow:

Cal Poly Women Are Three-Times As Dissatisfied With Their Nutrition, 
Compared to Men:
An Exploratory Look Into A University Village Food Cooperative

Objective
Researcher suggests probable success for a cooperative food purchasing 
enterprise for student apartments at California State Polytechnic 
University Pomona.  Study shows market demand is high among women 
respondents.  71% of women expressed interest in weekly food buying co-op 
deliveries of fresh seasonal produce.  85% of women surveyed said they are 
unsatisfied with their current nutrition.  The need for dietary improvement 
is very high, with nearly 94% of students not eating the recommended 
minimum daily five servings of fruits and vegetables.

Introduction
This project demonstrates the student's knowledge of primary data analysis 
(generating and circulating a survey), and statistical analysis to partly 
fulfill the requirements for ABM575, Winter Quarter 1998 with Dr. J. M. 
Weidman.  To carry out the assignment this researcher generated a 
10-question survey for students living in the University Village 
Apartments.  The questions requested data on  food buying practices, 
nutritional awareness, and interest in cooperative food buying, as well as 
demographics.

Survey results indicate that 41% of the sampled population spends over $25 
per week on groceries, are interested in weekly deliveries of produce, and 
85% of women are unsatisfied with the perceived healthfulness of their 
current diet.  The men contrast this with almost the opposite opinion:  72% 
of men are satisfied with their diet.  Frighteningly, 71% of women and 82% 
of men eat junk food as a major component of their diet




I am a college student working on a CSA plan. One of the main concerns
>of the group considering the CSA is the economic feasibility of such an
>endeavor. Do you have any suggestions regarding this, or any other
>recommendations for someone considering starting up a CSA?
>Thanks a bunch,
>Tracy Vermaat


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Subject: 'government of canada misleading ........
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hello all
this is a clip from the booklet entitled "food safety and you" that i
received in the mail from the Government of canada today.  I was reading
about food temperatures & hand washing in the previous pages & then came
upon this page-PLEASE enlarge & read the darker section about
Biotechnology...I was very disturbed that they could equate natural yeast &
bacteria in cheese to the present biotech being used in genetically modified
foods-yup they did it here! In a booklet printed with canadian taxpayer
money! I have called the government of canada about this already, and have
been told that even thought the gov. of canada stamp is on there, the 3
agencies named on the back are to be contacted directly:

please read this, and if you also find it offensive or misleading-since it
is in a food safety booklet, i found it VERY misleading! not to mention full
of half truths!-PLEASE call one of these people NOW. they are using our tax
dollars & printing a booklet up that many of s most certainly do not agree
with!

the agencies named on the booklet are:

government of canada: 1 800 622 6232  www.canada.gc.ca


Canadian Food Inspection Agency   www.cfia.agr.ca
Agriculture and Agri-food Canada   www.agr.ca          The Honourable Lyle
VanClief governs these 2 bodies

he can be reached at: 1 613 759 1059   cancll@parl.gc.ca

Health canada   www.hc-sc.gc.ca     The Honourable Allan Rock 1 613 957 0200
rocka@parl.gc.ca

i hope some of you will read this & decide how important these "stories" are
becoming in a world where the government can print them in a "food Safety"
booklet-and send them to the general public.

thanks for your time.
z.conde
bhfarm
"people not pesticides"



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From: "Wagbo Peace Center - Tracy Meisterheim" <wagbo@torchlake.com>
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Wagbo Peace Center still has openings for summer interns. Focus is on
organic gardening with 30 share CSA, pastured poultry (600), haying, daily
work with livestock & draft horses, some sawmilling, food preservation,
product sales and visitor tours. Housing, stipend, and food produced on-site
provided. Wagbo Peace Center is a nonprofit experiential education center
teaching sustainable agriculture and nonviolence, located in northwest lower
Michigan. For more information or an application, reply by email to
wagbo@torchlake.com or call 231-536-0333.




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ok
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  those who cannot read and write,
  but those who cannot learn, unlearn and relearn"

Jayne Leatherman Walker
Ndibendaagwaz, an Eco-Learning Center
10277 E. Bingham Road
Traverse City, MI 49684-9551
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For those who may be interested there is a new personals
mailing list for market/micro/csa/homestead/permaculture farmers
called Farm Personals; posting address is:
farm-personals@franklin.oit.unc.edu

It is open to the public. Only subscribers will be able to post
and read/search the archives. Access is through the usual
Web, email and newsgroup interfaces. Contact dirtfarmer@metalab.unc.edu
if you need more information or need help subscribing, unsubscribing or
with list usage.

You can subscribe here:
http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=market-farming
and read the list faq at:
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/documents/market-farming.faq
and access this and other forums:
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/ 

Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
lflondon@mindspring.com  london@metalab.unc.edu





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The Robyn Van En Center at Wilson College is coordinating a census of CSA
farms and will be compiling much of the information listed here. Contact
them at 717-264-4141 x3247 or info@csacenter.org They have a web site that
you can find by going to our site and click on "State by State Guide to
CSAs".

The census forms just went out and if you have a CSA you should have
received one. If not, it probably means that they didn't know about you.
Contact them right away if you want to be included in the research and data
base.

Jim and Jo
The Community Farm Newsletter
http://www.mufn.org/public/tcf
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To: community supported agriculture <csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 6:45 PM
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From: Michael Straus <info@beyondorganic.com>
To: iffs@nal.usda.gov, Andrew Marshall <sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu>
Subject: looking for statistics

Howdy.  Writing an article (roughly:  new internet direct marketing
opportunities for small farmers) specifically: CSAs, Farmers Markets and
U-Picks - and I'm looking for some base-line statistics and information,
such as:

* the number of small scale produce growers nationally
* breakdown of crop types and volume
* total acreage represented by these farmers
* percentage of over-all market
* number who are either registered or certified organic, biodynamic
* profile or farmers available for profiles
* Any statistics about how many of these farmers are on-line or have access
to computers, or use computers for operations and/or marketing

Many thanks.

Michael

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Michael Straus
Beyond Organic - Public Relations & Marketing for Progressive Agriculture
22890 Highway 1, Marshall, CA 94940 USA
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:06:33 -0800
From: Michael Straus <info@beyondorganic.com>
To: iffs@nal.usda.gov, Andrew Marshall <sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu>
Subject: looking for statistics

Howdy.  Writing an article (roughly:  new internet direct marketing
opportunities for small farmers) specifically: CSAs, Farmers Markets and
U-Picks - and I'm looking for some base-line statistics and information,
such as:

* the number of small scale produce growers nationally
* breakdown of crop types and volume
* total acreage represented by these farmers
* percentage of over-all market
* number who are either registered or certified organic, biodynamic
* profile or farmers available for profiles
* Any statistics about how many of these farmers are on-line or have access
to computers, or use computers for operations and/or marketing

Many thanks.

Michael

++++++++++++++
Michael Straus
Beyond Organic - Public Relations & Marketing for Progressive Agriculture
22890 Highway 1, Marshall, CA 94940=A0 USA
phone:=A0 415-663-8343; fax:=A0 415-663-8346
www.beyondorganic.com; info@beyondorganic.com=A0


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Wagbo Peace Center is seeking a married couple for it's long-term core
staff.  The Wagbo Peace Center is a 501(c)3 nonprofit experiential education
center teaching nonviolence and sustainable agriculture. Our mission is to
model peaceable, sustainable living and to teach the related concepts of
peace, nonviolence, sustainable agriculture and environmental stewardship.
We are a membership organization with approximately 150 member contributors
and a committed board of directors and trustees. Our financial support comes
from farm income, program fees, fundraising, and trust fund income.  We are
six years into a ten-year development plan and the program is growing faster
than our staff.  We are in an on-going search for people who are
mission-oriented and ready to make a long-term commitment to the center's
development.

Wagbo Peace Center is located in East Jordan, Michigan (northwest lower
peninsula) on a 212-acre homestead.  Three-quarters of the land is northern
hardwoods, and one-quarter is open pasture and tillable fields.  The farm is
a working model and includes a two-acre organic garden with a thirty-share
CSA marketing program, permaculture greenhouse with attached chicken coup
(50 layers), pastured poultry(1000), rotational grazing for Belgian draft
horses and Jersey cows, apiary, small orchard, 2200-tap maple syrup
operation, WoodMizer band saw mill, sustainable forest management, rabbits,
composting and woodworking.  Educational programming currently includes
youth-at-risk apprenticeships, college interns, various community programs,
and school tours.  Future programs will include week-long residential
education for school groups in nonviolence and sustainable living, summer
camp program with an international focus, conferences and retreats.
Long-term staff will help in the development of these programs.

The right couple must have the combined skills of: small scale diversified
farming (some horse experience preferred), working with youth, office
management (including up-to-date computer skills), public relations, and
excellent communication skills.  Previous business ownership is a plus, as
is experience with living in community.  Both must be mission-focused, and
able to devote their best energy to the center's development, while making
Wagbo their long-term home and community.  Both must have a desire for a
lifestyle that is farm based, simple, environmentally conscious, rooted in
pacifism, and shared in community.  Requires strong work ethic,
organization, common sense, foresight, and integrity.

East Jordan is a small town of 1500 in a hilly river valley, on the shore of
Lake Charlevoix.  Arts and music are common, and the area thrives on tourism
from seasonal resorters and outdoor recreationists (hunting, fishing,
hiking, mushrooming, skiing, boating).  It is a conservative blue collar
town, 17 miles from Lake Michigan, 70 miles from the Mackinaw Bridge, and
within a 50 mile radius of three larger towns (Petoskey, Traverse City and
Gaylord

Furnished housing with all utilities (except phone), partial board (shared
farm harvest), and a small salary are provided.  For further information,
contact the Directors: Rick & Tracy Meisterheim, Wagbo Peace Center, 5745
North M-66, East Jordan, MI 49727, 231-536-0333, wagbo@torchlake.com. Our
brochure can be seen at http://www.horizons.k12.mi.us/~ige/wagbo.html  (IGE
was the original trustee of the Wagbo Trust Fund.  They continue to support
our mission but are no longer involved in it's management.)


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Subject: forwarded: csa sample figures coming
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=46orwarded from Market Farming: (Miranda is not a subscriber to the CSA
list.  I have her permission to forward any future posts to this
list.)--Liz

Hi. I'm a lurker on this list. I've run a couple of CSA farms (and
have years of teaching behind me) but am now working as an editor.
However, I am also going to be teaching a class at Ramapo College this
summer for which I will be posting material to the web. One of the
items I will be posting is the method for developing a starting
schedule as well as a sample starting schedule for a 75 member CSA. I
will let people know when this material is available.

Miranda Smith


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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflondon@mindspring.com>
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Subject: Re: CSA Planting Guides
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:28:08 -0500
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:11:29 -0400, Allan Balliett <igg@igg.com>
wrote:
>Lawrence, I've tried that. Have you seen anything like what I'm 
>asking for in your huge 'cross-discipline' arhives? -Allan

For that, specifically see: 
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/csa/
lots of files in there - have no idea if what you're after is in there

Also, see below:

>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:33:20 -0400, Allan Balliett <igg@igg.com>
>>>After wearing myself ragged making initial plantings for the CSA the
>>>last several weeks, I've once again started asking myself if there is
>>>a good 'guide' to 'how much to plant each week for x # of shares.'
>>>This has to have been discussed on this list earlier, but I can't
>>>find it in 'my' archives, except as an approved topic.

I have readable mail folders in plain text format containing thousands
of concatenated messages in many forums I subscribe to;
bd-now and csa-l are included. The csa-l list may contain the info you
seek. I have downloaded the bd-now files to burn onto cd for you
and when I have time could do same witjh the csa-l files, however, you
could go ahead and download them at any time; total size about 8.9
megabytes; wouldnt take that long.

If you load these into a good text editor you can do searches to find
info.

Here's the URL:

http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm/news+mail-archives/1/

-rw-r--r--   1 london    5020892 Mar 13  1999 bd-now-1
-rw-r--r--   1 london   14462514 Feb  2 13:34 bd-now-2

These files may contain a complete archive from the start of the list
to a few months ago. There is lots of good info here.
-rw-r--r--   1 london    3368370 Mar 13  1999 csa-l-1
-rw-r--r--   1 london    5318063 Jan  2 20:21 csa-l-2

-rw-r--r--   1 london   22860472 Mar 13  1999 greenbuilding-31599
-rw-r--r--   1 london      79456 Mar 13  1999 herbal-1
-rw-r--r--   1 london   17091623 Nov  2 00:44 sanet-mg-102999
-rw-r--r--   1 london    4532362 Jan  2 20:22 sanet-mg-122000
-rw-r--r--   1 london   46362100 Mar 13  1999 sanet-mg-31599
Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
lflondon@mindspring.com  london@metalab.unc.edu



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ASSISTANT GROWER WANTED FOR OREGON ORGANIC FARM

Creative Growers is a diversified farm on 22 acres, located 20 miles west 
of Eugene.  The farm is divided into 3 acres of market garden, and 13 
acres of pasture.  We raise high quality vegetables and cut flowers for 
several restaurants in Eugene, as well as a small CSA.  We also have an 
expanding pastured poultry operation, raising and processing about 1,600 
chickens last season.

We take a systems approach to farming, viewing the farm as a series of 
interlocking enterprises, each ideally designed to support and enhance 
the others.  Efficiency is balanced with ideology, and we try to shrug 
off most descriptive labels.  Although not Certified Organic, all produce 
is raised according to the basic tenants of organic agriculture.  A wide 
array of tools are used to achieve balanced soil fertility, including 
cover cropping, mineral and other amendments, and intensive pasture 
management.

Our goal in farming is to form a flexible system that helps balance the 
needs of land, economics, and people.  It is an ongoing process to 
discover means of sustaining both our farm and ourselves, while providing 
clean food to our customers.

GENERAL WORKFARE
Assistant Grower position runs from April through October 31. Includes 
weekdays, and on-farm chores every other weekend. 2 3-day weekends and 1 
4-day weekend are provided.

We have a structured work week, that changes throughout the week and 
season.  Workdays will average 8 hours with interspersed short breaks, 
and include an hour lunch break.  The workday schedule is flexible, 
however, with longer days during peak times, and truncated days during 
periods of unbearable heat. 

We strive to create a supportive, thriving working and learning 
environment.  Our goal is to work with each other (as opposed to for) to 
enhance our skills and minimize our limitations in meeting the demands of 
an intensive farm season.  Above all, to learn and have fun through our 
work.  Farming is a fluid art and discipline, cultivated by many small 
steps taken and continual observation of where those steps lead.  Few, if 
any, aspects of the farm are set in granite.  Learning and working, while 
trying at times, should be fun as well as challenging. 

QUALIFICATIONS & PAY
Have at least 2 seasons working on farms recently.  Have ability to 
reason through problems with a reasonable level of self-reliance, and 
assertiveness to ask questions and help improve existing systems.  
Comfortable working both alone and with others.  Have communication 
skills to enable assistance guiding the learning/training of apprentice.  
Willing & able to work long hours outside.

This Farm is NOT For You If: You are unable to participate with the daily 
care of animals that will end up as food.  Are not comfortable working 
outdoors, doing tedious, uncomfortable tasks.  Unable to work 
independently, and unwilling to make mistakes.  Do not possess a sense of 
humor.

Pay Schedule is a monthly stipend that increases over the course of the 
season, averaging $500 per month. Additionally, a season-end bonus is 
provided upon completion of season, as well as a 1% gross sales 
profit-share bonus. Target season pay total, with all bonuses, is about 
$4000, weighted towards the end of the season. Housing is provided in a 
fully equiped 20 ft. diameter yurt behind the farmhouse, as well as all 
food (except luxury items). Workman's Comp. Insurance coverage is 
provided, as well as 2 coupons for sessions with a liscenced massage 
therapist.

Inquiries can be mailed, emailed, or phoned to:
Aaron Silverman
88741 Torrence Rd.
Noti, Oregon 97461
(541) 935-7952
cgrowers@pond.net



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Subject: Looking for CSA near San Ant. Tx
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Howdy,
I have a start up CSA just outside Houston.  A person on one of my other
lists has expressed an intrest in buying from a CSA, but they live close
to San Antonio.  Anybody down that way?
Josie
Triangle Farm
jstk@swbell.net
trianglefarms@farmbid.com




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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflondon@mindspring.com>
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:19:48 -0500
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:16:11 -0500, Keith Johnson
<keithdj@mindspring.com> wrote:

> I think it would be a good idea to place the subscribe info at the bottom of
> ALL letters so that folks like this would be able to subscribe immediately.

Done.

The faq for the csa list is located at:

http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/documents/csa.faq

Faqs for other lists are here:

http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden





Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
intergarden.com  InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
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Keith, good idea--we did this on the market farming list, and will follow up with the same here!  I'm forwarding your request to Lawrence London.

Liz Pike
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville NC






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I forwarded a note from this list to the following person who is requesting
subscription info. I think it would be a good idea to place the subscribe info
at the bottom of ALL letters so that folks like this would be able to subscribe
immediately.
Keith


Can you give me a bit more info about the CSA list?  Is it a
national/international list, or just local? Subscription info?

Thanks

BC

Bill Christensen
<billc@greenbuilder.com>

Green Homes For Sale/Lease:  <http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/>
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great article on Mr. Avery in this issue of the Progressive Populist

http://www.populist.com/00.5.anti-organic.html



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Share a large 1865 house, 1990 barn, and 20-acre organically managed farm 
with six acres of intensive cultivated fields and raised beds.  Now starting 
enrollment for Y2K CSA, have had CSA operation here since 1991 with varying 
success and numbers (5-41 families).

If somebody wants to be a partner but really wants to live in their own 
building, we can figure out how to do that, too.

I'm looking for somebody who's gone beyond a rank beginner apprentice stage 
in their expertise level.  I do not require 50% financial investment -- we 
can be creative about land ownership as long as whatever we negotiate passes 
examination by two real estate attorneys (yours and mine).  I've also been 
considering formation of a community land trust for farmland preservation 
here and at other sites in the area.

Monthly share of maintenance expenses would be about $400 including 
utilities and food.  Profit sharing in proportion to work contribution, of 
course, but I can't guarantee anybody "a job" because this place operates on 
cooperative principles, not the oppressive boss/worker paradigm.

Please, no more e-mails from people who have no means or plans to find means 
for contributing toward their own maintenance (room and board) but are 
"really hard workers".  There are good jobs available in the area.





Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
Corning, NY

http://www.ic.org/agrove

Intentional Community with local and long-distance members
Chemical-free fruits, vegetables, herbs, and flowers
Dairy and pack and draft goats
Free-range chickens, ducks, and geese
Affordable housing cooperative
Regional farmer's marketing cooperative
Partnerships
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We are looking for someone to work with us on our 200 plus vegetable and
flower CSA for the 2000 season.

Bull Run Mountain Organic Farm
4360 Highpoint Ln
The Plains, VA 20198
703-754-4005

Our farm is located 35 miles outside of DC.  Our shareholders are from
Washinigton and Northern Virginia.  We offer housing and top pay for a hard
working, dedicated person.



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Well my first member from the USDA list has her check in the mail. This is
so cool.  If any of you responsible for getting that list up and running are
reading this thanks, Beth




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March 6 ?  Oh yes, Mercury will still be Retrograde.  Hmmm!?

This will be interesting, Hawk



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Here is some good news from another list.  Let us hope for the best.

Art Biggert
Ocean Sky Farm  

In a message dated 3/2/00 6:29:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, Erorganic writes:

<< Good morning,
 
 In a telephone conversation with Keith Jones, USDA/NOP, he indicated the 
second Proposed Organic Rule would be placed in the Federal Register for 
public comment this coming week of March 6, 2000.  
 
 The Organic 4um will issue a side by side comparison of the Proposed Rule 
with the Organic Foods Production Act of 1990 very shortly thereafter.  Final 
Recommendations of the National Organic Standards Board, CODEX Guidelines for 
Organic Farming and Handling and consumer expectations will be noted in the 
Side by Side Comparison where appropriate.  Everyone is asked to critique the 
Proposed Rule and the Side by Side as well.  
 
 A report follows by a participant at a meeting held last week with Keith 
Jones, staff director of the USDA National Organic Program.  It should be 
noted there were no certified farmers or handlers in attendance.  Without 
someone circulating the information of such meetings and the information 
supplied at such meetings to certified organic farmers and handlers, we are 
becoming more and more spoken for rather than spoken to.  We suggest that for 
information flow and transparency, that statements that impact on the organic 
community at such "organic community meetings" with federal government 
representatives, need to be posted on the USDA Agricultural Marketing Service 
website the following day.
 
 And there is a poem.
 
 Have a good day
 
 Best regards,
 
 Eric Kindberg
 
 
 
 Monday, February 28 - Briefing with Keith Jones 
 
 Representatives of the Organic Committee, Campaign for Sustainable 
Agriculture, met with Keith who updated us about the rule and program news.  
Attending were Michael Sligh, Liana Hoode, Mardi Mellon, Joe Mendelson, Stacy 
Clary (CASWAG), Barbara Robinson (the USDA Secretary's legislative liaison), 
Diane Goodman and two or three others.
 
 Keith announced that the rule would be out within 10 days.  The Secretary 
will hold a press conference announcing it and Keith will initiate conference 
calls to constituents on the same day.  Kathleen will do a briefing for the 
Hill and with mainstream agriculture.
 
 The rule includes a user-friendly index so if you wanted direction to a 
subject like livestock, a find or search for that subject will turn up each 
time the word is used in the rule.  It's 676 pages, double-spaced, single 
sided and the web site has been redesigned to handle it, as well as a 
capacity for 400,000 comments.  
 
 The Preamble includes a question and answer section, a section of changes 
requested by those that commented and made by USDA, changes requested and not 
made and changes made by USDA on their own.  
 
 There is not a side by side comparison of the rule, NOSB Final 
Recommendations, American Organic Standards, European Union Guidelines nor 
CODEX.  
 
 There will be no USDA public hearings on the Proposed Rule.  
 
 
 NEXT National Organic Standards Board Meeting Scheduled:
 The NOSB will meet in Buena Park, California March 21 and 22. 
 --Day 1, first half will be NOSB Committee Reports, Materials will address 
ethylene, second half will be USDA briefing the Board about the Rule, 
 --Day 2, first half will continue USDA briefing and second half for public 
input.
 
 New NOSB appointments will not be announced before the second Proposed Rule 
is issued.  They will be in place before the Board meets in June.
 
 Dates for public input regarding certification of the production and 
handling of organic seafood meetings have been set.
 
 --April 7  Seattle Workshop formats with State of Washington and Alaska
 --April 10 Mobile, AL  with EPA Gulf Coast Conference
 --April 11 Anchorage   with Pacific Council of Fisheries
 --May 3        Providence, RI      with Atlantic Council of Fisheries
 --June 23-24   University of Minnesota Independent conference
 
  >>



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As a Member of this Agriculture community England's Orchard and Nursery is
offering
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you heard about us and the date. Free shipping for Orders over $200.00

We will be looking forward to helping you with any questions or needs you
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>community supported agriculture Digest for Tuesday, February 29, 2000.
>
>1. [Fwd: [Fwd: Information Request]]
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>Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Information Request]]
>From: Keith Johnson <keithdj@mindspring.com>
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>> Subject: Information Request
>> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:49:02 -0600
>> From: "Tom Levar" <tlevar@nrri.umn.edu>
>> To: pcactivist@mindspring.com
>>
>> Good afternoon.
>>
>> We are developing techniques for propagating clones of Populus spp. and
intend to apply these practices to other woody genera. I am interested the
techniques used on traditionally hard-to-root orchard species (wide variety
of fruits, nuts, grapes, etc) and how to obtain cuttings of these materials.
Our goal is develop techniques which would be cost-effective on a commercial
scale. For now, I am searching for sources of information for the
propagation of hard-to-root, highly- valued woody materials.
>>
>> We are located at an institute affiliated with the University of
Minnesota, Duluth. Our facilities include modern greenhouses and controlled
environment chambers. We work closely and are funded (in part,
cooperatively) by the forest products industry and nurseries.
>>
>> Can you provide me with further information or direct me to sources? Your
assistance is appreciated.
>>
>> Tom Levar
>> Natural Resources Research Institute
>> University of Minnesota - Duluth
>> 5012 Miller Trunk Highway
>> Duluth, MN 55811
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>> P: 218.720.4333
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As a Member of this Agriculture community England's Orchard and Nursery IS
offering
to the member 10% off all Orders in the month of February that applies to
all stock sold on the web-site and Catalogue.   please note on your order
where you heard about us and the date. Free shipping for Orders over $200.00

We will be looking forward to helping you with any questions or needs you
may have.



Thank you Clifford England
England's Orchard and Nursery
316 S.R 2004
McKee, KY. 40447-9616     pH toll free 877 965 2228
Specializing in Exotic fruit and nut trees for alternative crops
www.nuttrees.net

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Subject: csa digest: February 28, 2000


>community supported agriculture Digest for Monday, February 28, 2000.
>
>1. Introducing New List-Agriculture Activist
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>Subject: Introducing New List-Agriculture Activist
>From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike@always-online.com>
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>Agriculture Activist (agriculture-activist) mailing list.
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>lists may be of interest to many of you; information about it,
>this list and other agriculture and permaculture forums can be
>found at http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden.
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>Elizabeth Pike
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>In case you do not have Web access or for any reason need to use the
>email interface, here are some key commands:
>
>In all cases, the default server address is:
>lyris@franklin.oit.unc.edu
>
>This is the email address to send commands to change the status of
>your
>account. Other addresses are shown where appropriate. Note that
>commands
>may be placed in either the subject line or in the body of the
>message. For some actions you have several choices of commands and you
>may use the one that suits your preferred mode.
>
>SUBSCRIBING:
>subscribe agriculture-activist
>subscribe agriculture-activist your_name
>join agriculture-activist
>join agriculture-activist your_name
>alternate address: join-agriculture-activist@franklin.oit.unc.edu
>
>UNSUBSCRIBING:
>unsubscribe agriculture-activist
>leave agriculture-activist
>alternate address: leave-agriculture-activist@franklin.oit.unc.edu
>
>SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO DIGEST MODE:
>set agriculture-activist digest
>
>SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO INDEX MODE:
>set agriculture-activist index
>
>SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO DISCUSSION MODE:
>set agriculture-activist mail
>
>TEMPORARILY SUSPENDING MAIL FROM THE LIST: set agriculture-activist
>nomail
>RESUMING MAIL FROM THE LIST:
>set agriculture-activist mail
>set agriculture-activist digest
>set agriculture-activist index
>
>You may subscribe as an e-mail list, a digest of that list or just
>gain
>access to the usegroup which gives you access to posts from the web
>but
>doesn't deliver them to your mailbox. If you lack web access, or the
>e-mail commands don't seem to work, e-mail pike@always-online.com,
>lflondon@mindspring.com or london@metalab.unc.edu with your email
>address and (optional) full name, and we'll sign you up.
>
>
>* HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO Agriculture Activist?
>
>At the end of every post to this list there is text at the bottom of
>the
>page with automated unsubscription info and procedure. Here is a
>sample
>from a typical post:
>
>You are currently subscribed to agriculture-activist as: <your email
>address>
>To unsubscribe send a blank email to
>leave-agriculture-activist-<user number>@franklin.oit.unc.edu
>
>OR Self-unsubscribe by accessing the website at
>http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=agriculture-activis
>t
>
>If you lack web access, or the instructions don't work for you, e-mail
>any co-owner with your full name and email address, and they will
>unsubscribe you.
>PLEASE DO NOT SEND UNSUBSCRIBE MESSAGES TO THE ENTIRE LIST.
>
>
>* DO I HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE TO READ THE POSTS?
>
>You  can read the posts using the Web interface as well as the News
>interface without being a subscriber to the list.
>
>To read using the Web interface go to:
>
>http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=agriculture-activis
>t
>and click on the button that says "Visit agriculture-activist without
>joining"
>
>To read using the News interface use the following methods:
>
>Method 1 using your news reader:
>-
>Access via Usenet news can be had by adding this news server name to
>your
>list of news servers in your news reader, or make it your default
>server:
>
>franklin.oit.unc.edu
>
>Connect to the franklin.oit.unc.edu news server, download the list of
>available newsgroups and subscribe to agriculture-activist.
>Subscribing
>to this newsgroup does not make you a subscriber to the list. You can
>post
>to the forum only if you are a list subscriber;
>otherwise you can read articles in the forum.
>
>Method 2 using your Web browser [+ news reader]:
>-
>go to this URL (i.e. type this URL into the dialog box in your web
>browser)
>news://franklin.oit.unc.edu (news:// is part of a URL just like ftp://
>and
>http://) and download the list of available newsgroups and subscribe
>to
>agriculture-activist.
>
>or go to this URL:
>news://franklin.oit.unc.edu/agriculture-activist for reading (and/or
>posting if
>you're a list subscriber)
>
>
>* HOW DO I POST TO Agriculture Activist?
>
>Send your messages to:
>agriculture-activist@franklin.oit.unc.edu
>
>You have to be a list subscriber to post to agriculture-activist using
>either
>the Email, Web or News interface. You can, however read all posts,
>including the archives, as a non-subscriber.
>
>In order to post to agriculture-activist, you must be subscribed  to
>the
>list
>AND send your message from the email account that you used to
>subscribe
>to the
>list. In other  words, if you have several e-mail accounts or aliases,
>you need
>to send e-mail from the account you used to subscribe from.
>
>IMPORTANT NOTE: All posts to agriculture-activist are permanently
>archived.
>This allows folks to go back and search for specific information in a
>thread.
>It also means your name is archived with your post.  If this is a
>problem
>for you, it's best you not use this list.
>
>
>*  WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO Agriculture Activist?
>
>On the world wide web at:
>http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=agriculture-activis
>t
>
>
>* WHAT ARE SOME OTHER WEBSITES OR DISCUSSION GROUPS
>  THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST
>
>SANET-MG Sponsored by the Sustainable Agriculture Network at the USDA,
>this list is international in scope. It is largely populated by
>academics
>and the discussions are frequently philosophical and/or policy
>oriented.
>However, farmers frequently lurk here and research on any given topic
>is
>available for the asking. Archives and subscription information can be
>found at http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail
>
>
>Biodynamics NOW! (bdnow),
>the  international biodynamic farming and gardening discussion list.
>You can join BD Now! at http://www.igg.com/bdnow
>or
>you can send a message to listproc@envirolink.org
>put 'sub bdnow YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS YOUR NAME'
>in the body of the message.
>
>The bd-now mailing list is run by Allan Balliett
>who can be reached at: igg@igg.com
>
>
>InterGarden at MetaLab (forums, links, information):
>http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden
>http://metalab.unc.edu/permaculture
>
>There's a special document with info on accessing all these lists in a
>file at this URL: http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/forumdoc.txt
>
>Lists of interest at the MetaLab Lyris server include:
>
>agriculture-activist
>csa
>soil-quality
>seed-saving
>community-foodsystems
>herb
>market-farming
>permaculture
>permaculture-calendar
>
>The Sustainable Farming Connection
>Developed and maintained by Craig Cramer formerly editor of The New
>Farm.
>This site is a cornucopia of resources and topics. Sustainable
>techniques
>for farms of all sizes and crops.
>http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection/
>
>ATTRA - Appropriate Technology Transfer to Rural Areas.  One of the
>best
>appropriate scale and alternative crop sites on the web. Loaded with
>publications and links. This is THE site for posting apprenticeship
>and
>internship opportunities www.ATTRA.org
>
>IF YOU GARDEN FOR PLEASURE, LANDSCAPE, AND EXPERIMENTATION the
>following
>sites may be better suited to your needs
>
>http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
>Rodale Press Gardening http://www.rodalepress.com./gardening.htm
>National Gardening Association www.garden.org
>
>IF YOU HOMESTEAD OR FARM PRIMARILY AS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE AND GROW FOOD
>primarily to feed your own family, the following site may be better
>suited
>to your needs
>
>http://www.homestead.org
>
>* OTHER RESOURCES
>
>GROWING FOR MARKET is a monthly newsletter that has articles by and
>about
>market farmers. Good ideas and honest discussion abound. Subscriptions
>are
>$30/year. GFM, Fairplain Publications, P.O. Box 3747, Lawrence, KS
>66046;
>Tel 800-307-8949/fax: 913.841.2559. growing4market@earthlink.net
>
>THE COMMUNITY FARM A Voice for Community Supported Agriculture Edited
>and
>produced by Jim Sluyter and Jo Meller. Quarterly publication comes out
>in
>February, May, August and November. $20 US TCM 3480 Potter Rd. Bear
>Lake,
>MI 49614 (616) 889-3216 fsfarm@mufn.org
>
>
>* WHERE CAN THE AGRICULTURE ACTIVIST MAILING LIST FAQ BE FOUND?
>
>The FAQ will be sent to you automatically to indicate
>that you have subscribed successfully
>
>OR you may read it (agriculture-activist.faq) at:
>http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/documents/agriculture-activist.faq
>
>OR have it sent to you by email by sending email to:
>lyris@franklin.oit.unc.edu
>with the message text or subject line containing:
>get agriculture-activist-list.faq
>
><><><>
>
>Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
>metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
>metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
>metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
>lflondon@mindspring.com  london@metalab.unc.edu
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>END OF DIGEST
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>To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')
>




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Can anyone offer assistance to Tom?
Thanks,
Keith Johnson

> Subject: Information Request
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:49:02 -0600
> From: "Tom Levar" <tlevar@nrri.umn.edu>
> To: pcactivist@mindspring.com
>
> Good afternoon.
>
> We are developing techniques for propagating clones of Populus spp. and intend to apply these practices to other woody genera. I am interested the techniques used on traditionally hard-to-root orchard species (wide variety of fruits, nuts, grapes, etc) and how to obtain cuttings of these materials. Our goal is develop techniques which would be cost-effective on a commercial scale. For now, I am searching for sources of information for the propagation of hard-to-root, highly- valued woody materials.
>
> We are located at an institute affiliated with the University of Minnesota, Duluth. Our facilities include modern greenhouses and controlled environment chambers. We work closely and are funded (in part, cooperatively) by the forest products industry and nurseries.
>
> Can you provide me with further information or direct me to sources? Your assistance is appreciated.
>
> Tom Levar
> Natural Resources Research Institute
> University of Minnesota - Duluth
> 5012 Miller Trunk Highway
> Duluth, MN 55811
>
> P: 218.720.4333
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	<CSA-L@prairienet.org>,
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Agriculture Activist (agriculture-activist) mailing list.


A mailing list for Activism in Agriculture has been started
courtesy of UNC MetaLab's Lyris server. Please distribute this
announcement wherever appropriate. The market-farming and csa
lists may be of interest to many of you; information about it,
this list and other agriculture and permaculture forums can be
found at http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden.


Elizabeth Pike
Lawrence London
agriculture-activist list co-owners

<><><>

Agriculture Activist Mailing List FAQ

Frequently Asked Questions about the
Agriculture Activist discussion group


* WHAT IS Agriculture Activist?

Name of list: agriculture-activist
Posting address for list: agriculture-activist@franklin.oit.unc.edu

The listowners are:

Liz Pike
Morningstar Gardens
pike@always-online.com

Lawrence London
Venaura Farm
lflondon@mindspring.com
london@metalab.unc.edu
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden


* HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO Agriculture Activist?

Self-subscribe through the Web by accessing the website at
http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=agriculture-activis
t


Subscribing & unsubscribing to agriculture-activist
using email instead of the Web interface:

In case you do not have Web access or for any reason need to use the
email interface, here are some key commands:

In all cases, the default server address is:
lyris@franklin.oit.unc.edu

This is the email address to send commands to change the status of
your
account. Other addresses are shown where appropriate. Note that
commands
may be placed in either the subject line or in the body of the
message. For some actions you have several choices of commands and you
may use the one that suits your preferred mode.

SUBSCRIBING:
subscribe agriculture-activist
subscribe agriculture-activist your_name
join agriculture-activist
join agriculture-activist your_name
alternate address: join-agriculture-activist@franklin.oit.unc.edu

UNSUBSCRIBING:
unsubscribe agriculture-activist
leave agriculture-activist
alternate address: leave-agriculture-activist@franklin.oit.unc.edu

SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO DIGEST MODE:
set agriculture-activist digest

SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO INDEX MODE:
set agriculture-activist index

SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO DISCUSSION MODE:
set agriculture-activist mail

TEMPORARILY SUSPENDING MAIL FROM THE LIST: set agriculture-activist
nomail
RESUMING MAIL FROM THE LIST:
set agriculture-activist mail
set agriculture-activist digest
set agriculture-activist index

You may subscribe as an e-mail list, a digest of that list or just
gain
access to the usegroup which gives you access to posts from the web
but
doesn't deliver them to your mailbox. If you lack web access, or the
e-mail commands don't seem to work, e-mail pike@always-online.com,
lflondon@mindspring.com or london@metalab.unc.edu with your email
address and (optional) full name, and we'll sign you up.


* HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO Agriculture Activist?

At the end of every post to this list there is text at the bottom of
the
page with automated unsubscription info and procedure. Here is a
sample
from a typical post:

You are currently subscribed to agriculture-activist as: <your email
address>
To unsubscribe send a blank email to
leave-agriculture-activist-<user number>@franklin.oit.unc.edu

OR Self-unsubscribe by accessing the website at
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t

If you lack web access, or the instructions don't work for you, e-mail
any co-owner with your full name and email address, and they will
unsubscribe you.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND UNSUBSCRIBE MESSAGES TO THE ENTIRE LIST.


* DO I HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE TO READ THE POSTS?

You  can read the posts using the Web interface as well as the News
interface without being a subscriber to the list.

To read using the Web interface go to:

http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=agriculture-activis
t
and click on the button that says "Visit agriculture-activist without
joining"

To read using the News interface use the following methods:

Method 1 using your news reader:
-
Access via Usenet news can be had by adding this news server name to
your
list of news servers in your news reader, or make it your default
server:

franklin.oit.unc.edu

Connect to the franklin.oit.unc.edu news server, download the list of
available newsgroups and subscribe to agriculture-activist.
Subscribing
to this newsgroup does not make you a subscriber to the list. You can
post
to the forum only if you are a list subscriber;
otherwise you can read articles in the forum.

Method 2 using your Web browser [+ news reader]:
-
go to this URL (i.e. type this URL into the dialog box in your web
browser)
news://franklin.oit.unc.edu (news:// is part of a URL just like ftp://
and
http://) and download the list of available newsgroups and subscribe
to
agriculture-activist.

or go to this URL:
news://franklin.oit.unc.edu/agriculture-activist for reading (and/or
posting if
you're a list subscriber)


* HOW DO I POST TO Agriculture Activist?

Send your messages to:
agriculture-activist@franklin.oit.unc.edu

You have to be a list subscriber to post to agriculture-activist using
either
the Email, Web or News interface. You can, however read all posts,
including the archives, as a non-subscriber.

In order to post to agriculture-activist, you must be subscribed  to
the
list
AND send your message from the email account that you used to
subscribe
to the
list. In other  words, if you have several e-mail accounts or aliases,
you need
to send e-mail from the account you used to subscribe from.

IMPORTANT NOTE: All posts to agriculture-activist are permanently
archived.
This allows folks to go back and search for specific information in a
thread.
It also means your name is archived with your post.  If this is a
problem
for you, it's best you not use this list.


*  WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO Agriculture Activist?

On the world wide web at:
http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=agriculture-activis
t


* WHAT ARE SOME OTHER WEBSITES OR DISCUSSION GROUPS
  THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST

SANET-MG Sponsored by the Sustainable Agriculture Network at the USDA,
this list is international in scope. It is largely populated by
academics
and the discussions are frequently philosophical and/or policy
oriented.
However, farmers frequently lurk here and research on any given topic
is
available for the asking. Archives and subscription information can be
found at http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail


Biodynamics NOW! (bdnow),
the  international biodynamic farming and gardening discussion list.
You can join BD Now! at http://www.igg.com/bdnow
or
you can send a message to listproc@envirolink.org
put 'sub bdnow YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS YOUR NAME'
in the body of the message.

The bd-now mailing list is run by Allan Balliett
who can be reached at: igg@igg.com


InterGarden at MetaLab (forums, links, information):
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden
http://metalab.unc.edu/permaculture

There's a special document with info on accessing all these lists in a
file at this URL: http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/forumdoc.txt

Lists of interest at the MetaLab Lyris server include:

agriculture-activist
csa
soil-quality
seed-saving
community-foodsystems
herb
market-farming
permaculture
permaculture-calendar

The Sustainable Farming Connection
Developed and maintained by Craig Cramer formerly editor of The New
Farm.
This site is a cornucopia of resources and topics. Sustainable
techniques
for farms of all sizes and crops.
http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection/

ATTRA - Appropriate Technology Transfer to Rural Areas.  One of the
best
appropriate scale and alternative crop sites on the web. Loaded with
publications and links. This is THE site for posting apprenticeship
and
internship opportunities www.ATTRA.org

IF YOU GARDEN FOR PLEASURE, LANDSCAPE, AND EXPERIMENTATION the
following
sites may be better suited to your needs

http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
Rodale Press Gardening http://www.rodalepress.com./gardening.htm
National Gardening Association www.garden.org

IF YOU HOMESTEAD OR FARM PRIMARILY AS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE AND GROW FOOD
primarily to feed your own family, the following site may be better
suited
to your needs

http://www.homestead.org

* OTHER RESOURCES

GROWING FOR MARKET is a monthly newsletter that has articles by and
about
market farmers. Good ideas and honest discussion abound. Subscriptions
are
$30/year. GFM, Fairplain Publications, P.O. Box 3747, Lawrence, KS
66046;
Tel 800-307-8949/fax: 913.841.2559. growing4market@earthlink.net

THE COMMUNITY FARM A Voice for Community Supported Agriculture Edited
and
produced by Jim Sluyter and Jo Meller. Quarterly publication comes out
in
February, May, August and November. $20 US TCM 3480 Potter Rd. Bear
Lake,
MI 49614 (616) 889-3216 fsfarm@mufn.org


* WHERE CAN THE AGRICULTURE ACTIVIST MAILING LIST FAQ BE FOUND?

The FAQ will be sent to you automatically to indicate
that you have subscribed successfully

OR you may read it (agriculture-activist.faq) at:
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/documents/agriculture-activist.faq

OR have it sent to you by email by sending email to:
lyris@franklin.oit.unc.edu
with the message text or subject line containing:
get agriculture-activist-list.faq

<><><>

Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
lflondon@mindspring.com  london@metalab.unc.edu





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From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike@always-online.com>
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Subject: employment
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:49:09 -0500
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Per Ericka's request:

From: "BENNETT, JOE" <joe.bennett@smallplanetfoods.com>

Subject: Employment announcement: Field Manager, Small Planet Foods,
LLC

Date: Fri, Feb 11, 2000, 1:12 PM


Employment Opportunity Announcement
Field Manager
Small Planet Foods, LLC

Small Planet Foods, a leader in organic farming, food processing and
marketing via its two brands, Cascadian Farm and Muir Glen, has an
opening for a field manager beginning March 2000.  This is a full time
salaried position based in Washington State.  Duties include:

* Serve as liaison with growers and processors on all matters involved
with production of organic crops contracted by Cascadian Farm in
eastern Washington.

* Recruit new growers as needed for future expansion and new product
introductions.
* Manage the annual Crop Plan including organic crop placement,
cultivar selection, planting/harvest dates, seed procurement and
harvest/haul logistics.

* Assure the organic integrity of all contracted crops from planting
through primary processing.
* Assist growers with securing and maintaining organic certification,
organic soil fertility plans, and pest, disease, and weed management
strategies.  Monitor organic crops through the growing season and
advise growers on crop management.

* Assist with the establishment of on-farm research and demonstration
trials to develop, implement and improve organic crop production
systems.

* Assist in writing grower organic production guides, newsletters,
crop budgets, and research reports.
* Attend selected agricultural conferences, workshops and symposia to
keep current on developments in agricultural sciences, agricultural
technology, and sustainable agriculture.

Applicants must have a minimum of a B.S. level education in
Agriculture, Vegetable Crops, Horticulture, Entomology, Agronomy, Weed
Science, Soil Science, or a similar discipline with a strong  and
motivating interest in organic and sustainable agriculture.
Applicants must have experience with the processed vegetable and/or
fruit industry and experience in grower relations.  Excellent verbal
and written communication skills are also required.

Applicants must be self-motivated, have confidence in making
independent decisions, and must be comfortable in a
teamwork-orientated work environment. Considerable out of town travel
is required and applicants must be able to work a flexible schedule,
working occasional weekends, nights and holidays.

Small Planet Foods produces and markets Cascadian Farm and Muir Glen
certified organic processed food products.  Based in NW Washington
State, the company contracts with fruit and vegetable growers in
Washington, Oregon, California, Wisconsin, British Columbia and
elsewhere.  A dynamic, growing company with a team approach to
production and a deep commitment to sustainable agriculture, Small
Planet Foods is an equal opportunity employer.

Interested applicants should submit resume, letter and references to:
Craig Weakley, VP of Agriculture, Small Planet Foods, 719 Metcalf St.,
Sedro Woolley, WA 98284.  Phone (360) 855-0100, Fax (360) 855-0444,
Email: craig@smallplanetfoods.com






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Anyone in the mid-Atlantic area have a good source for sweet potato runners?



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Another very excellent intro to CSA is the paper from ATTRA, located at:

http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/csa.html

Jim and Jo
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> The most comprehensive site on the web for introductory info on
> starting a CSA.
>
> http://www.biodynamics.com/csa.html#Plan
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> Liz
> Morningstar Gardens
> Pollocksville  NC
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Thank you so much for your heartfelt condolences.  My father would
have loved discussing farm issues with kindred spirits like
yourselves.

A hawk landed in my back yard this evening, and sat for a very long
time looking out across our lake.  It tugged at my heart--he can soar
with the hawks now, no need for that airplane!

Liz Pike
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville NC
ICQ 46954468




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CSA Farm Links:

http://www.terrafirmafarm.com/        (My favorite--read the
newsletters!!!  Large graphics-slow loading, but worth it!)

http://members.aol.com/catalpacsa/index.html

http://www.eatwell.com/

http://asylum.sf.ca.us/pub/u/howitt/cauldron.html

http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5009/index.htm    ( CSA members,
not individual farm)

http://www.igc.org/frugal/lunableu.html

http://members.aol.com/joincsofc/index.htm

http://www.putney.net/csa/home.html

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9700/index.html



I have alot more links, but these should do to give you an idea of
what's ahead for you Cheri!!!

Liz




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The most comprehensive site on the web for introductory info on
starting a CSA.

http://www.biodynamics.com/csa.html#Plan

Liz
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville  NC




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<< "It is the province of knowledge to speak and it is the privilege of 
wisdom to listen". >>

Dear friend Liz,
    Hold this in your heart and you will accomplish what your father brought 
you here to do.  Only you can do it!  Thanks be to God.  

In your service,

Art



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Aw heck, go for it.  If you're not completely sure that you can cover 
expenses straight from the CSA, take a third-shift job.  It'll save you that 
$12.95 for a miner's headlamp from the Northern catalog.

The only way to really succeed with a CSA, IMNSHO after ten years here, is 
to recognize that it is akin to a religious Call and there's no sense in 
pushing against the Hand of the Creator.  Sure, there's free will, but if I 
end up doing it on a borrowed city lot I will always be getting people 
connected with the people and land who produce their food because my Call 
has told me to do this.

So do it and know Whose power is really behind you, take confidence in that, 
and come here to the List for help and/or a crying towel when you need it.

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
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A quick hello to the list members. What a pleasure to find a discussion 
list devoted to CSA! My husband and I have a CSA in central Florida, 
Universal Garden Community Organic Farm. We have 50 full shareholders with 
hopes to swell to 100 by the fall. We are looking forward to participating 
in good discussion on all aspects of CSA.

Sincerely,

Sue Morris



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 hello
i have been reading all the negative & positive & just fence sitting advice
for "newbie-never farmed a day in their life farmers-who happen to want to
start a csa with ALOT of members".
i do not for a second believe that the community will automatically come.
the customers/members from the old owners probably had to be asked & worked
on before they became regular members. I have seen many in our area try &
fail when they DID have a lot of experience in farming-also in business in
general.
you must be willing to give up at least the equivalent of 1 full time job &
devote it solely to this csa if it will be for that many people-also believe
that the vegetables etc.. do not know that you have no experience-they will
NOT co-operate...they just don't as we know. you should be ready to have
many disappointments to go along with the successes. I also think that you
must realize that ALL the old members will have to learn how u work-you must
earn their money in many ways-they must know that you are in fact doing what
it was they signed up for in the first place-the old places rules etc...None
of this is negative, just cautionary. i have done many things on this farm
that i was warned about-of course many were right & many more wrong BUT we
could afford to make some mistakes & have spent 2 years paying for the ones
we couldn't.
i hope you  (list) read some of the books Liz has recommended-we have-wish
we had read them sooner.

best of luck & good growing!

zalia
"farmer to the stars"
bhfarm@accel.net




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My dad died today.  I've just returned from his farm where I filled a
jar with his rich black soil to keep in my truck as a reminder of the
torch I now carry.

He was the last holdout for mule farming, though confused the
neighboring farmers with his knowledge of tractors, small engines, and
cars.  He even earned his pilot's license and built a single-engine
airplane in one of our barns, just so he could see what the hawks saw
as they circled his farm.  He was sustainable before the word was
coined, and supported his family on just 6 acres.  He often chided
me  for my tendency of verbally sparring with others, often quoting
Oliver Wendell Holmes,  "It is the province of knowledge to speak and
it is the privilege of wisdom to listen".

When they handed me his belongings,  I choked up when they included 2
small seashells.  I gave them to him when I was 5-my most treasured
possessions from a recent beach trip-treasures I knew he would
protect, and he did for 32 years.  He taught me to see the magic in
bringing crops to harvest, to nurture the soil, thus our souls;  to
feel the poetry in the rhythm of the farm.  In essence, to see the
sacred in the ordinary.

>From whence he came, to dust he returns.

A fellow farmer.

Liz





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Just thought you might be interested in this article on compost tea
for building beneficial soil microbes:

http://www.bremertonsun.com/news/2000/february/0211a10a.html

Liz Pike
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville  NC




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Darn it, I didn't just bruise my foot.  I've got a full-blown "plantar 
fascitis" with awful pain on the bottom of my foot.  Probably won't need 
surgery, but it might take months to fix it with orthopedics and rest (hah, 
that 4-letter word).

If anybody knows anybody who's been thinking about apprenticeship, I'm 
located five miles from a good 2-year college and can offer free rent and 
reduced board for part-time help, plus a stipend once we start collecting 
CSA signups.

Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
Corning, NY

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Let's also keep in mind that we're dealing with farms, not factories -- and 
that's one of the big philosophical differences between CSAs and factory 
farming!

That _is_ one of my greatest challenges as the CSA facilitator -- educating 
members into the reality that I can plant potatoes that should give a 
certain amount of return, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get that exact 
return!  People seem to think these days that farmers sit in an office and 
fill out an order form just as a supermarket produce manager does.

I send a list of available items to shareholders every month, and they can 
order each week's items from that.  They also have the choice of accepting a 
plain old "farmer's choice" collection; most people prefer ordering.  Prices 
are set to match or be a little bit below supermarket prices for the same 
items (commercial, not organically-grown).  I get those prices by good 
old-fashioned industrial espionage == walking through the produce department 
with a notebook and pencil.  It isn't like it's proprietary information.

I also don't try to grow everything myself.  I've put together quite the 
little farmer's alliance in my area.  The guy down on the river farm is 
growing our corn and pumpkins using his draft team for harvesting, the guy 
with the huge store and u-pick farm is doing our peppers and horticultural 
beans.  This year I'm putting in our own strawberries for the first time, 
just because the lady with the u-pick farm retired last year and isn't doing 
it any more.

I've done my pricing this way because people around here want to see the 
direct apples-to-apples price comparison.  They're very suspicious of 
anything "new" or hinting of "communism".  Relationships give us 
credibility. <G>

Related topic -- it might be easier this month to recruit people who are 
willing to take a chance on a local CSA, and people might more easily see 
how and why we're important to them.  It was just on the news that truckers 
are protesting the skyrocketing price of diesel and threatening to park 
their rigs.  This means that prices in the supermarket will go through the 
roof.

I have the land available to grow for 100 families this year, but I'm only 
accepting 35 garden co-op members because I can work full-time off the farm 
and still harvest five shareholder packets every day.

My mesclun-under-lights will be ready for cutting next week, and the freezer 
still needs to be reduced before the rhubarb sprouts.  But lots of my 
neighbors are going to be strongly affected by the trucker protest.



Dori Green
Ash Grove Community Farm
Corning, NY

http://www.ic.org/agrove

Intentional Community with local and long-distance members
Chemical-free fruits, vegetables, herbs, and flowers
Dairy and pack and draft goats
Free-range chickens, ducks, and geese (watch where you step)
Affordable housing cooperative
Regional farmer's marketing cooperative
Partnerships
Dried herbs and American-grown Black Tea by mail-order

______________________________________________________
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>From: Andy Clark <aclark@nal.usda.gov>
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>Colleagues:
>
>The national database of CSA farms, first loaded on the web on November 8
>and updated on December 6, will be updated again shortly.  The database can
>be found at several web sites:
>
>http://www.sare.org/san/csa/index.htm
>http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/csa/
>http://www.biodynamics.com/csa.html
>http://www.csacenter.org/
>
>These organizations, plus others listed at
>http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/csa/csacoorgs.htm#coorgs all cooperated with
>USDA, SARE, SAN and AFSIC to compile and update the listings.
>
>IF YOU HAVE SUBMITTED AN UPDATE SINCE DECEMBER 6, we have your data but it
>will not show on the web version of the database.  There is NO NEED to
>resubmit data--unless something has changed since your last submission.
>
>Please go to the data entry/update form to submit a new entry or to revise
>an entry:
>http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/csa/csaform.htm
>
>If you don't have web access or someone who can access the form for you,
>data can be submitted by e-mail to csa@nal.usda.gov,
>FAX (301-504-6409), or call 301-504-6425 to submit your farm.
>
>We will incorporate all changes submitted BY MIDNIGHT E.S.T. ON FEBRUARY 15,
>2000.
>
>Please pass this information on to interested parties...  There are CSA
>farms out there that are not in the database!
>
>We (USDA) will make this update and perhaps one or two more, but we're
>hoping that the database can be returned to the CSA community.  Please
>contact me for further information.
>
>Andy
>
>Andy Clark, Ph.D.
>SAN Coordinator
>c/o AFSIC, Room 304
>National Agricultural Library
>10301 Baltimore Ave.
>Beltsville, MD  20705-2351
>PH:  301-504-6425
>FAX: 301-504-6409
>san@nal.usda.gov
>http://www.sare.org
>

Marcie A. Rosenzweig
Full Circle Organic Farm
Auburn, CA





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----- Original Message -----
From: Marie Kamphefner <kampy@netins.net>
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Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:54 AM
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>
> Dear Michaele,
>
> Would you be so kind as to post this information on the list because I
> would like to have this information too?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Marie in Missouri

I sent this personally, because I think it's been posted a couple of times
already, but here goes;
Market Farm Forms
by Marcie A. Rosenzwieg
with Bill Kaye-Blake
fullcircle@jps.net


I have not personally used this book.  I have a system that works well for
me,  I've done it for so many years I kinda just know how much to plant for
the yield and the amount of shares I have.  I also use the fudge factor,
whatever is left over if I over estimate goes to market.  I ordered Marcie's
book because I have a difficult time explaining the process to interns and
in a couple of workshops I've given.  I've looked it over and it looks like
something that would be very useful.  I wish I had had similar forms when I
first started out.  I haven't done a comparison on projections for seed
need, but I would imagine it is based on standard yields.  I've used that
from seed catalogs and then figured in my soil's performance to figure my
ordering.  I also plant very intensively.  This book has tables for both
intensive and row planting.

Michaele
Growing Things
Carnation Wa




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>Cheri:
>I personally sent you some information about this.  Did you not get it?
>
>Michaele

Dear Michaele,

Would you be so kind as to post this information on the list because I
would like to have this information too?

Thank you.

Marie in Missouri




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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:45 PM
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Cheri:
I personally sent you some information about this.  Did you not get it?

Michaele
Growing Things
Carnation WA

> Cheri Shelnutt wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Does anyone here know of any publication, book, workbook etc. that can
> > help me to figure how much to plant?  For example, a place where you can
> > look up that you need to plant x amount of row feet of potato to feed x
> > amount of people.  Seems to be something sorely lacking in the CSA
> > field.  Many newbies, like myself, have no idea where to start with this
> > - some sort of guideline would be great - then we could adjust it for
> > ourselves, our market and our subscribers.
> >
> > Thanks greatly,
> > Cheri Shelnutt
> > Sweet Hollow Farm
> > NE Tennessee
> >
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Hi,
Does anyone here know of any publication, book, workbook etc. that can
help me to figure how much to plant?  For example, a place where you can
look up that you need to plant x amount of row feet of potato to feed x
amount of people.  Seems to be something sorely lacking in the CSA
field.  Many newbies, like myself, have no idea where to start with this
- some sort of guideline would be great - then we could adjust it for
ourselves, our market and our subscribers.

Thanks greatly,
Cheri Shelnutt
Sweet Hollow Farm
NE Tennessee




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Forgive this of-topic intrusion, friends.  My father, who was recently
hospitalized is not expected to live today.  I must attend to details
& paperwork.  I needed to let you know this since I receive private
emails from subscribers of this list requesting help, and I will be a
bit late with your requests.  I'm so sorry.  If you're waiting for a
response I will get back to you as soon as possible.

Liz

"To everything there is a season...a time to be born, a time to
die...a time to plant...a time to harvest...a time of peace."  He was
a farmer, and it feels like spring today.





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Nothing like being told to wait for motivation, eh??  I admire your
number of members and working off the farm.  I wonder how true this is
of other CSA's.  Anyone??

Liz
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville  NC




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THANKS YOU DORI
What a wonderful way to maintain sustainable community. And you are
right about the time farmers have to do paperwork, value added,
incentive driven production and organizing....especially if the price of
food is suppose to be "cheap".

Record keeping does help us to do our own research and share data with
one another when most of the universities are doing research on genetics
and for chemicals grown crops!...
 
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Ndibendaagwaz, an Eco-Learning Center
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Traverse City, MI 49684-9551
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Cheri, 
In the Autumn issue of "Community Farm" there is an article about Forms,
Templates Spreadsheet and planning/orgnizing information. It seems there
is a computer disc and book of instructions. For information contact Jim
Sluyter and Jo Mellor at Five Springs Farm at the fsfarm@mufn.org or
call for a back issue (it is a great newsletter for CSA's) at
231-889-3216. I saw this material and it is quit the organizational
tool, even if it takes some time to incorporate into your real world
experience. Our CSA farmers feel recordkeeping may be important for
sharing information with one another.
 
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Cheri,

Here are some other resources (see, I'm trying to help--I'm not a bear
; ))))!

http://metalab.unc.edu/farming-connection/growmark/home.htm

http://www.sbaonline.sba.gov/starting/indexstartup.html

http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/csa/csapubs.htm

http://www.rce.rutgers.edu/weeddocuments/index.htm

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/clinic/

I have many more links-let me know what you need or would like to see
(many from individual farms-good examples!)

Liz




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Cheri, I'm sorry if you viewed my post as negative.  My intention was
one of caution.  I encourage you in any endeavor with your farming-as
I have said before I'm not the one to tell "not" to do something-just
playing devil's advocate.  To me,  CSA is an art and science, the most
vitally important aspect in the long range permanence and maintenance
of family farms-be they large or small.

Hopefully, the previous owner & the members will be able to assist you
in making this transition!  Here are some resources that may help:
(I'm sure I've listed some you've already read ; ), but we need to get
them into our archives, so I'm posting them anyway.)

(Not to direct anyone away from this list-but these archives are too
valuable-you will see a listing for the current archives, 1999
archives, and first archive from 1996-early 1999.  They are from a
different CSA list that has become somewhat inactive.  An indepth
education into CSA-the best resource available.)

http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/csa.html

Growing For Market's book, Marketing Your Produce, a collection of
articles with various strategies for selling your goods other than a
CSA, though it has an excellent chapter on those, too, with examples
from individual farms.  You can order it from 785-748-0605.

Center for Sustainable Living
Wilson College
1015 Philadelphia Ave.
Chambersburg, PA 17201
Wilson College has several resources for farmers who want to start a
CSA. Brochures to hand out to prospective members are available for 10
cents each; an information packet costs $2; an 88-page CSA handbook is
$10; a 15-minute video describing CSA to prospective members is $10; a
slide show with 22 text slides is $12.50; a slide show with photos
taken at CSA farms is $25.


University of California Cooperative Extension, Placer County and UC
Small Farm Center. 1995. Community Supported Agriculture...Making the
Connection. 198 pages, binder format.
The best single manual you can buy. This takes a potential grower
through the process involved in starting a CSA, including designing
the CSA, recruiting members and marketing, creating production and
harvest plans, setting share prices, and legal issues. Available for
$25 plus $5 shipping/handling from:
UCCE
11477 E Ave.
Auburn, CA 95603
916-889-7385
Make checks payable to UC Regents.


Gilman, Steve (ed.) 1997. 1997 CSA Farm Network. CSA Farm Network,
Stillwater, NY.
A collection of farm profiles and research reports. Articles about
CSAs that failed and why members don't renew. Includes a directory of
CSAs in the Northeast and a list of resources for CSA farmers
nationwide. Available for $12 from:
CSA Farm Network
130 Ruckytucks Rd.
Stillwater, NY 12170
518-583-4613
Make checks payable to Gilman--CSANET.


Gregson, Bob and Bonnie. 1996. Rebirth of the Small Family Farm. IMF
Assoc., Vashon Island, WA. 64 p.
A handbook for starting a successful organic farm based on the CSA
model. Available for $9.95 from:
IMF Associates
PO Box 2542
Vashon Island, WA 98070
Make checks payable to IMF.


Groh, Trauger and Steven S.H. McFadden. 1998. Farms of Tomorrow
Revisited. Bio-Dynamic Literature, Kimberton, PA. 310 p.
The 1998 edition is an updated version of Farms of Tomorrow, printed
in 1990. The new edition contains information on economic, spiritual,
and legal questions faced by CSAs, the development of community, the
role of animals in a CSA, and farmer observations. Available for $21
from:
The Wisdom Conservancy
Merriam Hill Educ. Center
148 Merriam Hill Rd.
Greenville, NY 03048


Maynard, Donald M. and George J. Hochmuth. 1997. Knott's Handbook for
Vegetable Growers, 4th ed. John Wiley & Sons, New York. 582 p.
Information on yields, row spacing, crops, nutritional content of
vegetables.
Widely available.


Basic Formula to Create Community Supported Agriculture, Robyn Van En.
1992. An 80-page handbook/start-up manual including sample budgets,
job descriptions, community outreach tactics, bibliography, list of
CSA projects throughout North America and more. $10 each. Available
from Van En Center For Community Supported Agriculture. See Orgs.


Community Related Agriculture, Brochure outlining the organization and
planning of community farms, CSA and subscription Farms. 10 pages.
$1.00 + SASE. Available from the BioDynamic Association, PO Box 550,
Kimberton, PA 19422. (800) 516-7797.


Maximizing Shareholder Retention in Southeastern CSAs: A Step Toward
Long-Term Stability, Deborah Kane. 1997. Available from the Institute
of Ecology, University of Georgia, Athens, GA 30602-2202. E-mail:
dkane@uga.cc.uga.edu.


Sharing the Harvest: Community Supported Agriculture in America, by
Elizabeth Henderson with the late Robyn Van En. March 1998. Currently
back ordered with Fedco Seed Catalog, P.O. Box 520, Waterville, ME
04903-0520. Other organizations should carry it soon. This book is a
follow-up to the first how to manual by Robyn Van n and much expanded.
Many examples of how different CSA farms succeed plus great historical
background and context.


To Till It and Keep It: New Models for Congregational Involvement with
the Land, Dan Guenther. 1995. $5. Available from the Land Stewardship
Project, 2200 Fourth St., White Bear Lake, MN 55110. (612) 653-0618.


What's Your Share Worth? Some Comparisons of CSA Share Cost vs. Retail
Produce Value, J.P. Cooley and D.A. Lass. 1996. An extract of Cooley's
Master's thesis covering three CSA farms in Massachusetts over one
season. Available from CSA Farm Network, 130 Ruckytucks Rd.,
Stillwater, NY 12170. (518) 583-4613.


The Community Farm: A Voice for Community Supported Agriculture, 3480
Potter Road, Bear Lake, MI 49614. Jim Sluyter and Jo Meller editors,
$20/year subscription. Practical information on CSA. 616-889-3216
CSA: Making a Difference, Van En Center for CSA c/o Wilson College,
1997, $10. Available from Center for Sustainable Living, 1015
Philadelphia Ave., Chambersburg, PA 17201. (717) 264-4141 ext. 3247.
It's Not Just About Vegetables, Downtown Productions and Jan
Vandertuin. 1986. $35. Available from Downtown Productions, 22
Railroad St., Great Barrington, MA 01230. (413) 528-9395.
Shared Farming: Towards a Sustainable Community, CSA Canada. $20.
Available from CSA Canada, Box 353, St. Adolphe, Manitoba, Canada
R5A1A2.


Kelvin, Rochelle. 1994. Community Supported Agriculture on the Urban
Fringe: Case Study and Survey. #RU-94/01. Rodale Institute, Kutztown,
PA.
Results from a study that examined the growth of CSA and the potential
for CSA farms to help bridge the gap between rural and urban
communities. Highlights some of the barriers and opportunities facing
CSA farmers today. Available for $4 from:
Karin Clifford
Rodale Institute Research Center
611 Siegfriedale Road
Kutztown, PA 19530
Make checks payable to Rodale Institute.

****************************

Over on the mf list, Marcie is compiling another listing of books on
farming in general which you may find helpful.  This is one I sent her
yesterday.  Successful Small-Scale Farming, An Organic Approach, by
Karl Schwenke.  The author gets down to the nuts & bolts of family
agriculture, whether you're earning a full or part time living from
your land.  Everything is included from charts & tables to diagrams of
how to plow your fields.  Essential farmsteading skills, such as
driving fence posts, managing a woodlot, & haying are included.
Something I keep in my truck for continual reference-a virtual
encyclopedia on sustainable small-scale agriculture.
************************************

Again, I reiterate that my "bad" advice was not meant to discourage
you-just make you aware of the volatile nature of our profession-one
minute you survery flood & wind damage in shock,  the next you stand
in awe as the sky dances with the pearlescent shades of sunset.  Then
there's the unusual insect your children bring you, in your grandma's
antique cut crystal serving bowl, or the snake that falls down your
back in the chicken coop, or the thrill of seeing tomato horn worms
covered with tiny cocoons.  When I'm in the middle of a field at
daybreak, I'm in Mother Nature's chapel under the sky.  Truly
awesome....  From this, I would never discourage anyone.

Liz
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville NC



----- Original Message -----
From: Cheri Shelnutt <cshel@usit.net>
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Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 1:17 AM
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> Dear Art,
> Thanks so much for those words.  Was feeling very discouraged after
some of the
> negative emails I have received.  Yours was a breath of fresh air.
I used to
> live in Marysville, WA - miss it terribly.
>
> Thank you again for taking the time to encourage someone new.
> Blessings,
> Cheri Shelnutt
> Sweet Hollow Farm
>
> SCook21809@aol.com wrote:
>
> >  If you grow a CSA the community will come.
> >
> > Good luck and planning,
> >
> > Art Biggert
> > Ocean Sky Farm
> > Bainbridge Island, WA
>
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Dear Art,
Thanks so much for those words.  Was feeling very discouraged after some of the
negative emails I have received.  Yours was a breath of fresh air.  I used to
live in Marysville, WA - miss it terribly.

Thank you again for taking the time to encourage someone new.
Blessings,
Cheri Shelnutt
Sweet Hollow Farm

SCook21809@aol.com wrote:

>  If you grow a CSA the community will come.
>
> Good luck and planning,
>
> Art Biggert
> Ocean Sky Farm
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<< You go for it girl! There are plenty of us out here willing to help with 
advice on the problems you will encounter, but we are willing to help!  If I 
had listened to those at the Wilson College Center I would have missed a life 
long dream.>>

    Joyful are those who dream dreams and are willing to commit themselves to 
creating new realities!  Been there.  Done that.  Against all advice to the 
contrary.  If you grow a CSA the community will come.

Good luck and planning,

Art Biggert 
Ocean Sky Farm
Bainbridge Island, WA



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Jeff & Cheri,

Please understand that my advice was not for never starting a CSA, but
waiting until Cheri & her family had more "dirt under their
fingernails" farming experience before taking on this enormous
responsibility.  Here in her own words:  >My husband works full time
off the farm but would like to eventually be able to farm full time. I
have done limited gardening for our family and loved it (sq. ft.
method/raised beds) but never large scale. <

The growing skills need to be there first.  If the members are willing
to wait a year, as I posted, then she & her family could get their
feet wet, and pick up the following year.  Even then I'd be hesistant
with that many members.  From the research I've done,  & my experience
in my market garden & on our farm,  CSAs of that number require more
work than she & her husband can do without both being pretty full time
workers. It requires more than experience in a family garden.  If you
read my followup post, you will see that I, too, sometimes do things
without the experience.  I even gave her info to help her in working
with one.

>To give advice without at least having done the job yourself is a
great disservice to Cheri. What can you be thinking?<

I'm thinking of a newbie farmer, a woman with a family, of the
crushing stress of harvest when you're not used to it, the loss of the
quiet joy in farming when the work screams at you, all colored by 20
years of experience dealing with customers who give little time for
learning curves.


> She has a opportunity few of us will ever have, a presubscribed CSA.
> Even if it does not work out what is lost. I think the greater loss
> would be to listen to the naysayers and forever wonder about the
> possibilities!

This opportunity is great, but an opportunity that may be jeopardized
by handling it unwisely.  Be it far from me to tell anyone to listen
to naysayers, Jeff.  I'm a world class "tell me it can't be done, then
watch while I do it" kind of person.   I just want her to protect
those possibilities so that she can realize them & not lose them.

Respectfully,

Liz Pike
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville NC





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Cheri:  I forgot to add something, sorry everyone.   If you decide to
go ahead and do the CSA (I'm one of those, too, go against all
advice-works out good sometimes-that's how I wound up with my 40 acre
farm ;) ),  I must recommend some software done by one of the list
subscribers.  You'll recognize her name.  I haven't had a chance to
load it, but the manual shows what a great help it will be, even with
just my market garden.  I can't wait to get started with it, kinda
makes me want to have a CSA just to put it to work!

It's called Market Farm Forms, spreadsheet templates for planning &
organizing info on diversified market farms, by Marcie Rosenzweig,
Full Circle Organic Farms.  Here's her addy, you can contact her at:
fullcircle@jps.net

I hope this doesn't violate list rules plugging a product, but this is
valuable enough to be reprimanded.  (I'm used to that by now after the
past couple of days!)  My apologies,  Art!

Liz
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville NC





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Cheri, before I start, please understand that this year I won't be
doing much farming/gardening.  We are having our wooded acres (19)
timbered to remove hurricane damage (I live on the coast of North
Carolina).  The heavy equipment must use the fields as part of the
wooded area is wetlands & I don't want them ruining or doing damage to
it.  And most of the damage is along the edges of the fields.

I have a 40 acre farm (& 5 acres1 mile from the farm where we live).
19 acres are wooded, 16 are leased to a conventional farmer, and I've
held out 5 to eventually be certified (if & when I deem necessary) for
my organic growing.  I only have 1/2 acre in production now-enough to
keep me very busy, and monetarily rewarded.  Just a little background.
Oh, and I am the sole gardener/farmer in my family--I work it alone so
anything that needs to be done, I have to figure out a way I can do it
without help.

Now, you asked about doing a CSA-unless you've had some experience,
and/or you've got a good core group to help you, I say don't do
it--even if the farm does come with 45 members.  You need to get the
experience without the pressure of having subscribers breathing down
your neck.  The subscribers are sure to understand your situation, so
they may be willing to forego a year (or 2) on their subscriptions.
You may lose a few of them next year when you start back up, but
that's okay, 'cuz you won't need to supply 45 members anyway.  Now,
I'm giving alot of advice & I don't even have a CSA.  That's because
in December when I joined another CSA list-I was all hep on getting
one together, too, for next year (2001).  I already had it planned how
to do everything.  After doing another mountain of research (when I
learn I have a one track mind & quickly become an expert, still
learning, though), and I spent a week reading the archives.  I learned
enough to say--no way am I ready for this.  Hard decision to say I was
wrong!

Now, my plan which is one you may consider, was to grow "as if" I had
10 members.  Break myself in to supplying regular customers, and
getting my production up so I would have the necessary varieties.
This would be a good plan, but then you still lack the other necessary
jobs you'd do in a CSA like the paperwork, dealing with members, etc.
For now, just supplying my farmer's market & customers who come to the
house is all I can handle. I will have a CSA one day-I'm passionately
decisive about that, but I want to give my customers the very best
farmer they could ever have, and do them right.  My land too deserves
the very best farmer it has ever seen.  So I owe it to myself & to
them to take the time & learn & watch & listen to those doing it.  My
customers & land will thank me in the end--and so will my family.
Farming is stressful enough without any extra headache I can avoid.

I'm sorry this is long, and may not be the answer you seek.  I
appreciate when others help me avoid mistakes, and I foresee this as a
possible one for you.

Farming is a harsh reality with real potential.   Take your time!!!

Liz
Morningstar Gardens
Pollocksville NC




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Cheri, 
	Because each farm is so different it is difficult to make such wide
generalities (ask the seed companies). I would go by the results of your
own garden experience for yields in your area. Use your family as the
standard for figureing out how much you need to harvest for your
subscribers. Also ask the former owner what they did. I would add a 25%
cushion just to be sure. check with the local extension office. They can
be a help sometime as well.  Jeff

Cheri Shelnutt wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Does anyone here know of any publication, book, workbook etc. that can
> help me to figure how much to plant?  For example, a place where you can
> look up that you need to plant x amount of row feet of potato to feed x
> amount of people.  Seems to be something sorely lacking in the CSA
> field.  Many newbies, like myself, have no idea where to start with this
> - some sort of guideline would be great - then we could adjust it for
> ourselves, our market and our subscribers.
> 
> Thanks greatly,
> Cheri Shelnutt
> Sweet Hollow Farm
> NE Tennessee
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Elizabeth, I want to offer our family's condolences. We recently lost my
mother-in-law. Our prayers are with you and your family. Jeff Uhlig



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Elizabeth, Sorry I went ballistic but when I read your message all I
could think of was the same advice I got from Wilson College. They said
wait get experience its not for the newbee. This type of advice is
devastating to someone who has a dream and desire (real desire) to
operate a CSA. Wait for what? and the only way to get the experience you
need for this type of operation is to do it. I have an off farm job too.
So does my wife but we want this to work and are willing to put in the
time and effort to make it. I think there are lots of folks out there
who have the same desire and just need the encouragement to do it.
Should you start small? Sure, but this is an unusual situation a
presubscribed CSA. I started with 25 went to 45 now we are at 80
families and adding things all the time and I'm still learning every
day. Scale is a maganable issue. Equipment is a big equalizer. To feed
45 families she needs to plant maybe 3 acres. Small by most farming
standards but large by home gardeners. I'll plant 5 acres this season a
far cry from my 1/8 home garden but a small 35hp tractor, cultivator,
tiller, mower, seeder and cart bring it back into a managable number. I
was a rookie two seasons ago but I learned thru trial and error and my
garden experience and the help of others. I'm still a rookie but I
wouldn't trade this for anything. Best Regards,  Jeff

Elizabeth Pike wrote:
> 
> Jeff & Cheri,
> 
> Please understand that my advice was not for never starting a CSA, but
> waiting until Cheri & her family had more "dirt under their
> fingernails" farming experience before taking on this enormous
> responsibility.  Here in her own words:  >My husband works full time
> off the farm but would like to eventually be able to farm full time. I
> have done limited gardening for our family and loved it (sq. ft.
> method/raised beds) but never large scale. <
> 
> The growing skills need to be there first.  If the members are willing
> to wait a year, as I posted, then she & her family could get their
> feet wet, and pick up the following year.  Even then I'd be hesistant
> with that many members.  From the research I've done,  & my experience
> in my market garden & on our farm,  CSAs of that number require more
> work than she & her husband can do without both being pretty full time
> workers. It requires more than experience in a family garden.  If you
> read my followup post, you will see that I, too, sometimes do things
> without the experience.  I even gave her info to help her in working
> with one.
> 
> >To give advice without at least having done the job yourself is a
> great disservice to Cheri. What can you be thinking?<
> 
> I'm thinking of a newbie farmer, a woman with a family, of the
> crushing stress of harvest when you're not used to it, the loss of the
> quiet joy in farming when the work screams at you, all colored by 20
> years of experience dealing with customers who give little time for
> learning curves.
> 
> > She has a opportunity few of us will ever have, a presubscribed CSA.
> > Even if it does not work out what is lost. I think the greater loss
> > would be to listen to the naysayers and forever wonder about the
> > possibilities!
> 
> This opportunity is great, but an opportunity that may be jeopardized
> by handling it unwisely.  Be it far from me to tell anyone to listen
> to naysayers, Jeff.  I'm a world class "tell me it can't be done, then
> watch while I do it" kind of person.   I just want her to protect
> those possibilities so that she can realize them & not lose them.
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Liz Pike
> Morningstar Gardens
> Pollocksville NC
> 
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Elizebeth, I'm sorry but I cannot disagree with you more. If I had
listened to those who said if you don't have experience don't try it, I
would never have had the fun, the hard work, the joy of growing food for
those who support me. To give advice without at least having done the
job yourself is a great disservice to Cheri. What can you be thinking?
She has a opportunity few of us will ever have, a presubscribed CSA.
Even if it does not work out what is lost. I think the greater loss
would be to listen to the naysayers and forever wonder about the
possibilities!
You go for it girl! There are plenty of us out here willing to help with
advice on the problems you will encounter, but we are willing to help! 
If I had listened to those at the Wilson College Center I would have
missed a life long dream. Shame!  Jeff Uhlig



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List subscribers:

I am delighted to announce that Art Biggert (SCook21809@aol.com) has
offered to co-own this list with me. I am sure the he is well known to
all of you. Contact Art about CSA issues as related to the list and me
about any technical issues, subscribing and unsubscribing and list
info.

Many thanks and enjoy!

Lawrence

For those needing it here is the FAQ for this list (apologies to
those who've already seen it too many times).
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Announcing the new Community Supported Agriculture mailing list.
       
A Community Supported Agriculture mailing list has been started
countesy of UNC MetaLab's Lyris server. Please distribute this
announcement wherever appropriate. The market-farming list may also
be of interest to many of you; information about it, this list and
other
agriculture and permaculture forums can be found at 
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden.

Art Biggert
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Lawrence London
CSA List Co-Owner

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ATTRA - Appropriate Technology Transfer to Rural Areas One of the best
appropriate scale and alternative crop sites on the web. Loaded with
publications and links. This is THE site for posting apprenticeship
and
internship opportunities www.ATTRA.org

IF YOU GARDEN FOR PLEASURE, LANDSCAPE, AND EXPERIMENTATION the
following
sites may be better suited to your needs

http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden 
Rodale Press Gardening http://www.rodalepress.com./gardening.htm
National Gardening Association www.garden.org

IF YOU HOMESTEAD OR FARM PRIMARILY AS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE AND GROW FOOD
primarily to feed your own family, the following site may be better
suited
to your needs

http://www.homestead.org
Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden       
http://metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere       
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
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OK, gang

Here's one from Bob on Vashon Island

>Shelley's comments about letting the community know we're here are right on.
>After the WTO inspiration---and it absolutely was for those who attended the
>"alternative" farmer day---a group of us have started to meet on Vashon
>Island to develop a new food system, starting with our community.  So far
>we've a vision and mission statement and are now wondering how best to
>approach the broader community to start the wheels turning.  The crucial
>linkage is consumer to farmer.  Without that connection, all is lost.  With
>it, all is possible.
>Bob Gregson, Island Meadow Farm, Vashon, WA

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Eliot Coleman covers these questions very well in his books (he's in Maine, 
not so different from Minnesota), and Rodale Press also has good information 
about greenhouse growing.  If you're brand new at this greenhouse thingy I'd 
strongly suggest a trip to your local library or Amazon.com, also to ATTRA 
and your local cooperative extension agent.

Dori Green
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What is the date of your usual late frost in the spring?  Late April is
considered to cool for most crop in Massachusetts.  Of course the cool crops
can be planted by then or even a little earlier peas etc.  Beth
.  Could you help us schedule our
> seedling planting?  What kind of soil mixture, temps, daylight amount of
> time and any other helpful hints.  We would really appreciate it much.
Kay
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We are new in the greenhouse operation having just completed the 
construction of our own greenhouse.  We farm 2.5 acres of garden soil for a 
CSA operation.  This will be our first year of planting the seeds in a 
greenhouse and then transplanting them into the garden soil.  We are not 
sure about a schedule as to when to plant the various seeds.  We live in 
west central Minnesota with cold winters and our ordinary time for planting 
seeds in garden plots is late Qpril.  Could you help us schedule our 
seedling planting?  What kind of soil mixture, temps, daylight amount of 
time and any other helpful hints.  We would really appreciate it much.  Kay 
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I am asking about starting seedlings in a greenhouse.  We just got a new 
greenhouse and have never started our seeds inside before.  We are wondering 
whenit is best to start the various vegie seeds, temps,  hours of light.  We 
live in West central Minnesota and usually start putting seeds into the 
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Nick Pine is an authority on renewable energy with special expertise
in solar thermal  home/farm/shop/greenhouse heating systems. His
interesting posts can be read in the Usenet newsgroup,
alt.solar.thermal.=20
Someone might ask him about glazing options for cloches, greenhouses
and coldframes.  -  I have many of his writings archives at:
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/renewable-energy.html

Lawrence=20
<>
On 8 Jan 2000 09:12:05 -0500, in misc.rural nick@ufo.ee.vill.edu (Nick
Pine) wrote:

The Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture conference is
happening on Friday and Saturday Feb 4 and 5 at Penn State; $75, with
an optional $17 "Rotational Grazing Feast"/Banquet on Friday night
(PASA--"Farming for the Future"/P O Box 419/Millheim, PA 16854.)

PASA's earthy-crunchy. The conference is sponsored by AgRestore,
Albert's Organics, Inc, American Farmland Trust, Center for Rural
Pennsylvania, Chesapeake Bay Foundation, Dairyland Sales and Service,
Earth's Best Baby Food, Fertrell, Free Choice Enterprises, Ltd,
Goodness Greeness, Healthy Harvest/Greater Pittsburgh Community Food
Bank, Headwaters RC&D, Kreamer Feed Inc, Natural Dairy Products Corp,
Penn State College of Agricultural Sciences, Pennsylvania Certified
Organic, Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture [the worldwide cookie
package stampers], Pennsylvania Department of Environmental
Protection, Pennsylvania Farmers Union, EQI Inc, P. L. Rohrer, Rodale
Institute, Tait Farm Foods, Tuscarora Organic Growers Cooperative,
Walnut Acres Organic Farms, and the Western PA Chapter of OCIA.=20

There's a $10 mini-conference on Women in Agriculture on=20
Thursday, Feb 3.

The conference begins on Friday morning at 8 with a continental
breakfast, and the exhibit hall with its sustainable trade show opens.
Vandana Shiva gives a keynote address at 9:30.=20

=46riday's talks include

Stolen Harvest: the Hijacking of the Global Food Supply
   Vandana Shiva, Research Foundation for Science,=20
  Technology and Ecology
Tough Times for Tender Chicken
   Ray Bolton, Berks Co.
Not Business as Usual: Putting your Money Where your Mouth is
   Judy Wicks, White Dog Cafe
   Jeff Furman, Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream
Medium-scale Organic Vegetable Production or How I Make a Living
While Maintaining the Appearance of Sanity
   Don Kretschmann, Beaver Co.

=46riday evening concludes with a Sustainable Socializing Hour,=20
the Rotational Grazing Feast, and the PASA Chat N' Chew Cafe'.

Saturday's talks include

The Four P's of Pastured Poultry (4 hours)
   Diane Kaufman, Farmer, American Pastured Poultry=20
   Producer's Association
Converting to Holistic Herd Health Care: A Homeopathy-based=20
  System (4 hours)
   Edgar Sheaffer, DVM
Getting Rid of Mildews, Scab and Botrytis from Foliage:=20
   The Secrets of a Good Compost Tea
   Elaine Ingham, Soil Foodweb Inc.
Organizing Farmer to Chef Relationships
   Doyle Freeman, Penn's Corner Farm Alliance
   Kevin Von Klause, White Dog Cafe'
   Bill Fuller, Big Burrito Group
Ecological Waste Treatment: A Fundamental Design Revolution
   John Todd, Ocean Arks Institute
Taking Your CSA to the Next Millennium
   Elizabeth Henderson, Peacework Organic Farm
Hog Calling: Factory Farms and Community Action
   David Brubaker, GRACE
   Paul Durrenburger, Penn State=20
   Pennsylvanians for Responsible Agriculture.

John Todd gives a closing address at 3 PM.

Nick

Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden      =20
http://metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere      =20
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
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Hi lists,

We pre-pack our shares using produce bags and recycled grocery store barrel
bags.  All shares are packed this way.  Our half-shares are an every other
week affair so we don't have to figure out what's "half"  Some shareholders
do their own half shares by splitting their share with a neighbor and
alternating who picks it up.

Marcie A. Rosenzweig
Full Circle Organic Farm
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>From: "Elizabeth Henderson" <ehendrsn@redsuspenders.com>
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>Our CSA, Genesee Valley Organic CSA, does not use a box.  The food is set
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>>I'd like to get some feedback on what size box, is being used for CSA
>>shares.
>>
>>I use a 1 1/9 bu waxed vegetable box......
>>
>>also let me know what size is used for different types of shares, i.e.
>>family, full, half, etc.
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>>Thanks,
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Welcome to the Community Supported Agriculture mailing list at
MetaLab's Lyris server. I will repost this FAQ once a month.
It can also be found at several locations described below.
Please distribute this announcement wherever appropriate.
The market-farming list may be of interest to many of you;
information about it, this list and other agriculture and 
permaculture forums can be found at http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden.
I hope you enjoy CSA.

Lawrence London
CSA List owner

Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
lflondon@mindspring.com  london@metalab.unc.edu

<><><>

Welcome to the Community Supported Agriculture e-mail 
list and discussion group: csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu

FAQ

Frequently Asked Questions about the 
Community Supported Agriculture discussion group


1. WHAT IS Community Supported Agriculture?

Name of list: csa
Posting address for list: csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu

csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu is a mailing list/newsgroup/webforum
for networking among farmers involved in operating a CSA


The listowner is:

Lawrence London 
Venaura Farm,
lflondon@mindspring.com
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden

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2. HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO CSA?

Self-subscribe throuth the Web by accessing the website at
http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=csa.


Subscribing & unsubscribing to csa 
using email instead of the Web interface: 

In case you do not have Web access or for any reason need to use the email
interface, here are some key commands;

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This is the email address to send commands to change the status of your
account. Other addresses are shown where appropriate. Note that commands
may be placed in either the subject line or in the body of the
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that suits your preferred mode.

SUBSCRIBING:
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SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO DIGEST MODE:
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SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO INDEX MODE:
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SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO DISCUSSION MODE:
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RESUMING MAIL FROM THE LIST:
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You may subscribe as an e-mail list, a digest of that list or just gain
access to the usegroup which gives you access to posts from the web but
doesn't deliver them to your mailbox. If you lack web access, or the
e-mail
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or london@metalab.unc.edu with your email address and (optional)
full name, and I'll sign you up.


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3. HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO CSA?

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PLEASE DO NOT SEND UNSUBSCRIBE MESSAGES TO THE ENTIRE LIST.


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5. DO I HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE TO READ THE POSTS?

You  can read the posts using the Web interface as well as the News
interface without being a subscriber to the list.

To read using the Web interface go to:

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on the button that says "Visit csa without joining"

To read using the News interface use the following methods:

Method 1 using your news reader:
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Access via Usenet news can be had by adding this news server name to your
list of news servers in your news reader, or make it your default server:

franklin.oit.unc.edu

Connect to the franklin.oit.unc.edu news server, download the list of
available newsgroups and subscribe to csa. Subscribing to the csa
newsgroup 
does not make you a subscriber to the list. You can post to the newsgroup 
only if you are a list subscriber; otherwise you can read the newsgroup.

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go to this URL (i.e. type this URL into the dialog box in your web
browser)
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http://) and download the list of available newsgroups and subscribe to 
csa.

or go to this URL:
news://franklin.oit.unc.edu/csa for reading (and/or posting if
you're a list subscriber)

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5. HOW DO I POST TO Community Supported Agriculture?

Send your messages to:
csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu

You have to be a list subscriber to post to csa using either the
Email, Web or News interface. You can, however read all posts, including
the archives, as a non-subscriber.

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to the list AND send your message from the email account that you used to 
subscribe to the list. In other  words, if you have several e-mail
accounts 
or aliases, you need to send e-mail from the account you used to
subscribed.

IMPORTANT NOTE: All posts to csa are permanently archived.  This
allows folks to go back and search for specific information in a thread.
It also means your name is archived with your post.  If this is a problem
for you, it's best you not use this list.

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6. WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO CSA?

On the world wide web at:
http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=csa

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8. WHAT ARE SOME OTHER WEBSITES OR DISCUSSION GROUPS THAT MIGHT BE OF
INTEREST

SANET-MG Sponsored the Sustainable Agriculture Network from the USDA, this
list is international in scope. It is largely populated by academics and
the discussions are frequently philosophical and/or policy oriented.
However, farmers frequently lurk here and research on any given topic is
available for the asking. Archives and subscription information can be
found at http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail

BD-L Biodynamic farming list. The philosophy and practice of biodynamics
http://www.biodynamics.com/ gets you to the website and subscription to
the
list. BD CSAs are listed here.

Lawrence London's websites and forums at MetaLab:
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden
http://metalab.unc.edu/permaculture

There's a special document with info on accessing all these lists in a
file
at this URL: http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/forumdoc.txt

Lists of interest at the MetaLab Lyris server include:

csa
soil-quality
seed-saving
community-foodsystems
herb 
market-farming
permaculture
permaculture-calendar

The Sustainable Farming Connection
Developed and maintained by Craig Cramer formerly editor of The New Farm.
This site is a cornucopia of resources and topics. Sustainable techniques
for farms of all sizes and crops.
http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection/

ATTRA - Appropriate Technology Transfer to Rural Areas One of the best
appropriate scale and alternative crop sites on the web. Loaded with
publications and links. This is THE site for posting apprenticeship and
internship opportunities www.ATTRA.org

IF YOU GARDEN FOR PLEASURE, LANDSCAPE, AND EXPERIMENTATION the following
sites may be better suited to your needs

http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden 
Rodale Press Gardening http://www.rodalepress.com./gardening.htm
National Gardening Association www.garden.org

IF YOU HOMESTEAD OR FARM PRIMARILY AS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE AND GROW FOOD
primarily to feed your own family, the following site may be better suited
to your needs

http://www.homestead.org

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8. OTHER RESOURCES

GROWING FOR MARKET is a monthly newsletter that has articles by and about
market farmers. Good ideas and honest discussion abound. Subscriptions are
$30/year. GFM, Fairplain Publications, P.O. Box 3747, Lawrence, KS 66046;
Tel 800-307-8949/fax: 913.841.2559. growing4market@earthlink.net

THE COMMUNITY FARM A Voice for Community Supported Agriculture Edited and
produced by Jim Sluyter and Jo Meller. Quarterly publication comes out in
February, May, August and November. $20 US TCM 3480 Potter Rd. Bear Lake,
MI 49614 (616) 889-3216 fsfarm@mufn.org

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9. WHERE CAN THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE MAILING LIST FAQ BE
FOUND?

The FAQ will be sent to you automatically to indicate 
that you have subscribed successfully 

OR you may read it (csa.faq) at:
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/documents/csa.faq

OR have it sent to you by email by sending email to:
lyris@franklin.oit.unc.edu
with the message text or subject line containing:
get csa csa-list.faq

*******************************************************

Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
lflondon@mindspring.com  london@metalab.unc.edu








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Subject: (fwd) FARM COMMUNITY OFFERING
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:35:39 -0500
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On 09 Jan 2000 22:10:06 GMT, in alt.sustainable.agriculture
laganzaf@aol.com (LaganzaF) wrote:

=46ARM COMMUNITY OFFERING
WHITE SAGE PROJECT
=20
The rustic Laganza Farm-White Sage Project encompasses 20 acres of
land trust in lower Southern California. Arable land at 3,400 feet
elevation characterized by cactus, mesquite and manzanita.  Openings
for singles,or families with children willing to develop and maintain
an intentional life style.  Mixture of private and community control
of land, consensus decisions, balance between group and private life,
developing sustainable lifestyles, deepening ties to nature,
commitment to honest communication. We envision community activities
including biodynamic and organic farming, construction of appropriate
buildings, seasonal celebrations and sharing meals.  The farm
currently hosts orchard land and some vegetable production, with
future goals to include floriculture, ethnobotony/herbs production,
native plants production, expanded vegetable production, and
educational programs.  Farm produce will be for the purpose of
consumption by residents as well as sales through multiple markets
and CSA (Community Supported Agriculture). CSA marketing is a means of
food distribution where patrons subscribe to the farm and receive a
weekly supply of produce directly from the farm.  This process allows
the farmer to grow for a particular constituency and the consumer
receives a supply of locally grown produce and maintains a
relationship with their food and the land that provides it.  The CSA
will provide a larger community that we envision as being associated
with the smaller on farm residents by visiting the farm and
participating in farm events such as harvest celebrations, field days,
and (in the case of local patrons) on site pick up of produce.

Other options and opportunities.

Contact: Marlin L. Harrison
             Farm Manager
             EOS Institute Field Station
             Laganza Farm
             43875 Barbara Trail =20
             Aguanga, California 92536-9501

Phone: 909-763-4707 after 5pm local time
Email: LaganzaF@aol.com

Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden      =20
http://metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere      =20
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CSA runs on MetaLab's Lyris server using the same protocols as the
new market-farming list, permaculture, seed-saving, etc.

Feel free to subscribe and make the best use possible of this list. 
It is extremely easy to use and has many nice features and user options.
Subscribing and unsubscribing is uncomplicated and partly automated.

Enjoy,

Lawrence
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Welcome to the Community Supported Agriculture e-mail 
list and discussion group: csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu

FAQ

Frequently Asked Questions about the 
Community Supported Agriculture discussion group


1. WHAT IS Community Supported Agriculture?

Name of list: csa
Posting address for list: csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu

csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu is a mailing list/newsgroup/webforum
for networking among farmers involved in operating a CSA


The listowners are:

(temporary owner)
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 
Venaura Farm,
lflondon@mindspring.com

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2. HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE TO CSA?

Self-subscribe throuth the Web by accessing the website at
http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=csa.


Subscribing & unsubscribing to csa 
using email instead of the Web interface: 

In case you do not have Web access or for any reason need to use the email
interface, here are some key commands;

In all cases, the default server address is: lyris@franklin.oit.unc.edu

This is the email address to send commands to change the status of your
account. Other addresses are shown where appropriate. Note that commands
may be placed in either the subject line or in the body of the
message. For
some actions you have several choices of commands and you may use the one
that suits your preferred mode.

SUBSCRIBING:
subscribe csa
subscribe csa your_name
join csa
join csa your_name
alternate address: join-csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu

UNSUBSCRIBING:
unsubscribe csa
leave csa
alternate address: leave-csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu

SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO DIGEST MODE:
set csa digest

SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO INDEX MODE:
set csa index

SETTING MEMBERSHIP TO DISCUSSION MODE:
set csa mail

TEMPORARILY SUSPENDING MAIL FROM THE LIST: set csa nomail
RESUMING MAIL FROM THE LIST:
set csa mail
set csa digest
set csa index

You may subscribe as an e-mail list, a digest of that list or just gain
access to the usegroup which gives you access to posts from the web but
doesn't deliver them to your mailbox. If you lack web access, or the
e-mail
commands don't seem to work, e-mail me at lflondon@mindspring.com
or london@metalab.unc.edu with your email address and (optional)
full name, and I'll sign you up.


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3. HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO CSA?

At the end of every post to this list there is text at the bottom of the
page with automated unsubscription info and procedure. Here is a sample
from a typical post:

You are currently subscribed to csa as: <your email address>
To unsubscribe send a blank email to
leave-csa-<user number>@franklin.oit.unc.edu

OR Self-unsubscribe by accessing the website at
http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=csa.

If you lack web access, or the instructions don't work for you, e-mail me
with your full name and email address, and I'll unsubscribe you.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND UNSUBSCRIBE MESSAGES TO THE ENTIRE LIST.


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5. DO I HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE TO READ THE POSTS?

You  can read the posts using the Web interface as well as the News
interface without being a subscriber to the list.

To read using the Web interface go to:

http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=csa and click
on the button that says "Visit csa without joining"

To read using the News interface use the following methods:

Method 1 using your news reader:
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Access via Usenet news can be had by adding this news server name to your
list of news servers in your news reader, or make it your default server:

franklin.oit.unc.edu

Connect to the franklin.oit.unc.edu news server, download the list of
available newsgroups and subscribe to csa. Subscribing to the csa
newsgroup 
does not make you a subscriber to the list. You can post to the newsgroup 
only if you are a list subscriber; otherwise you can read the newsgroup.

Method 2 using your Web browser [+ news reader]: -
go to this URL (i.e. type this URL into the dialog box in your web
browser)
news://franklin.oit.unc.edu (news:// is part of a URL just like ftp:// and
http://) and download the list of available newsgroups and subscribe to 
csa.

or go to this URL:
news://franklin.oit.unc.edu/csa for reading (and/or posting if
you're a list subscriber)

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5. HOW DO I POST TO Community Supported Agriculture?

Send your messages to:
csa@franklin.oit.unc.edu

You have to be a list subscriber to post to csa using either the
Email, Web or News interface. You can, however read all posts, including
the archives, as a non-subscriber.

In order to post to csa, you must be subscribed 
to the list AND send your message from the email account that you used to 
subscribe to the list. In other  words, if you have several e-mail
accounts 
or aliases, you need to send e-mail from the account you used to
subscribed.

IMPORTANT NOTE: All posts to csa are permanently archived.  This
allows folks to go back and search for specific information in a thread.
It also means your name is archived with your post.  If this is a problem
for you, it's best you not use this list.

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6. WHERE CAN I FIND ARCHIVES OF POSTINGS TO MARKET FARMING?

On the world wide web at:
http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=csa

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8. WHAT ARE SOME OTHER WEBSITES OR DISCUSSION GROUPS THAT MIGHT BE OF
INTEREST

SANET-MG Sponsored the Sustainable Agriculture Network from the USDA, this
list is international in scope. It is largely populated by academics and
the discussions are frequently philosophical and/or policy oriented.
However, farmers frequently lurk here and research on any given topic is
available for the asking. Archives and subscription information can be
found at http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail

BD-L Biodynamic farming list. The philosophy and practice of biodynamics
http://www.biodynamics.com/ gets you to the website and subscription to
the
list. BD CSAs are listed here.

Lawrence London's websites and forums at MetaLab:
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden
http://metalab.unc.edu/permaculture

There's a special document with info on accessing all these lists in a
file
at this URL: http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/forumdoc.txt

Lists of interest at the MetaLab Lyris server include:

csa
soil-quality
seed-saving
community-foodsystems
herb 
market-farming
permaculture
permaculture-calendar

The Sustainable Farming Connection
Developed and maintained by Craig Cramer formerly editor of The New Farm.
This site is a cornucopia of resources and topics. Sustainable techniques
for farms of all sizes and crops.
http://sunsite.unc.edu/farming-connection/

ATTRA - Appropriate Technology Transfer to Rural Areas One of the best
appropriate scale and alternative crop sites on the web. Loaded with
publications and links. This is THE site for posting apprenticeship and
internship opportunities www.ATTRA.org

IF YOU GARDEN FOR PLEASURE, LANDSCAPE, AND EXPERIMENTATION the following
sites may be better suited to your needs

http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden 
Rodale Press Gardening http://www.rodalepress.com./gardening.htm
National Gardening Association www.garden.org

IF YOU HOMESTEAD OR FARM PRIMARILY AS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE AND GROW FOOD
primarily to feed your own family, the following site may be better suited
to your needs

http://www.homestead.org

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8. OTHER RESOURCES

GROWING FOR MARKET is a monthly newsletter that has articles by and about
market farmers. Good ideas and honest discussion abound. Subscriptions are
$30/year. GFM, Fairplain Publications, P.O. Box 3747, Lawrence, KS 66046;
Tel 800-307-8949/fax: 913.841.2559. growing4market@earthlink.net

THE COMMUNITY FARM A Voice for Community Supported Agriculture Edited and
produced by Jim Sluyter and Jo Meller. Quarterly publication comes out in
February, May, August and November. $20 US TCM 3480 Potter Rd. Bear Lake,
MI 49614 (616) 889-3216 fsfarm@mufn.org

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9. WHERE CAN THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED AGRICULTURE MAILING LIST FAQ BE
FOUND?

The FAQ will be sent to you automatically to indicate 
that you have subscribed successfully 

OR you may read it (csa.faq) at:
http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/documents/csa.faq

OR have it sent to you by email by sending email to:
lyris@franklin.oit.unc.edu
with the message text or subject line containing:
get csa csa-list.faq

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Lawrence F. London, Jr.  Venaura Farm
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden InterGarden
metalab.unc.edu/permaculture PermaSphere
metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/orgfarm AGINFO
lflondon@mindspring.com  london@metalab.unc.edu





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I'm Jeff Uhlig from Buff Rock Farm in Illinois. We use a canvas tote bag
with our logo and name on it. the logo is embroidered on a pocket we use
to put newsletters and recipes in. The size is 17"X12"X6". We use the
same bag for all three levels of customer but full family's usually get
two bags.
Jeff Uhlig
Buff Rock Farm
www.buffrockfarm.com



From funcorporation@hotmail.com Sun Aug 29 23:59:13 1999
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Subject: a little info please...
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i gather this CSA chat site is related to Community Supported Agricultutre? 
is it just in the US or around the world? are there any other csa 
venturists out there who use this site? if so please respond! how long have 
you been going? how are your shareholders finding your farm and your 
produce? is your CSA as youimagined it would be? what would you do 
diferently the second time around? what's the worst bit about the csa? and 
the best? please respond!!!



