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From: klier@cobra.uni.edu
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Subject: Re: Apple tree care
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In article <27pdir$7d8@transfer.stratus.com>, ptanner@crow.eng.stratus.com (Philip Tanner) writes:
> 	I planted a golden delicious apple tree in our yard about
> 5 years ago, and the tree has matured nicely. Both this year and last
> I got blossoms in the spring and fruit later in the summer. The only
> problem is the fruit isn't good enough to eat.
> 	What I've found is pieces which look like it's rotted, or been
> attacked by insects. Also, the fruit looks deformed with bumps and
> dimples.
> 	What should I be doing to correct this for next years fruit?

You've got a choice to make here.  You can spend next spring and summer
spraying all sorts of nasties on your crop to make it look like the
perfect apples in the grocery stores, or you can learn to sort the
apples, do some trimming, and eat 'em anyhow.   

Or you can replace the current tree with a disease resistant cultivar,
like MacFree...  

Having grown up with backyard apple trees that produced the world's
worst-looking, best-tasting apples with no sprays, I vote for the
paring knife...

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI


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	You can get apple trees on dwarfing rootstocks down to the size of
bushes. The size you are talking about is very popular now for commercial
growers. Rootstocks vary in their tolerance for heavy and damp soils . Two
Northwest companies sent me catalogs last year; I have not ordered form
them but they present themeselves as reputable and are encyclopedic in the
information. Write or call them:
Raintree Nursery , 391 Butts Road, Morton, WA 98356, (206) 496-6400
Northwoods Retail Nursery, 27635 S. Oglesby Rd., Canby, OR 97013
The Raintree catalog has a coupon for Friends of Fruit based at WSU ($20)
which includes tasting of 100 varieties at the experimental station at
Mt. Vernon. I just joined the California Rare Fruit Growers; they 
exchange scions, have tastings, etc. 
	You picked a good time to plan your trees. Bare root season is in
Janurary- March and is the best time to plant.
 --  Bruce Moon Rio Linda, CA


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EBJ@ECL.PSU.EDU (Eugene John) writes:

>> Subject: Re: Heritage fruit trees?

Sonoma Antique Apple Nursery
4395 Westside Rd.
Healdsburg CA 95448
707-433-6420
-- 
Geoffrey Leach          C/C++/X11/Motif/OpenLook Implementation
geoff@netcom.com        Mountain Ranch Software
                        3351 Alma St., Suite 113
                        Palo Alto  94306
                        415-855-9788


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In article <27pdir$7d8@transfer.stratus.com>, ptanner@crow.eng.stratus.com (Philip Tanner) writes:
> 	I planted a golden delicious apple tree in our yard about
> 5 years ago, and the tree has matured nicely. Both this year and last
> I got blossoms in the spring and fruit later in the summer. The only
> problem is the fruit isn't good enough to eat.
> 	What I've found is pieces which look like it's rotted, or been
> attacked by insects. Also, the fruit looks deformed with bumps and
> dimples.
> 	What should I be doing to correct this for next years fruit?

You've got a choice to make here.  You can spend next spring and summer
spraying all sorts of nasties on your crop to make it look like the
perfect apples in the grocery stores, or you can learn to sort the
apples, do some trimming, and eat 'em anyhow.   

Or you can replace the current tree with a disease resistant cultivar,
like MacFree...  

Having grown up with backyard apple trees that produced the world's
worst-looking, best-tasting apples with no sprays, I vote for the
paring knife...

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI


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EBJ@ECL.PSU.EDU (Eugene John) writes:

>> Subject: Re: Heritage fruit trees?

Sonoma Antique Apple Nursery
4395 Westside Rd.
Healdsburg CA 95448
707-433-6420
-- 
Geoffrey Leach          C/C++/X11/Motif/OpenLook Implementation
geoff@netcom.com        Mountain Ranch Software
                        3351 Alma St., Suite 113
                        Palo Alto  94306
                        415-855-9788


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This year we are hoping to create a berry patch with blackberries and 
strawberries.  Do any varieties do particularly well in the red clay and 
heat?  For blackberries we are considering Rosborough and Black Satin.  
For strawberries we want the everbearing types like Tribute and Tristar.  
Has anybody had experience with these or others in this area?  Will they 
produce this year?  Recommended sources?

Thanks for the help.

David


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This year we are hoping to create a berry patch with blackberries and 
strawberries.  Do any varieties do particularly well in the red clay and 
heat?  For blackberries we are considering Rosborough and Black Satin.  
For strawberries we want the everbearing types like Tribute and Tristar.  
Has anybody had experience with these or others in this area?  Will they 
produce this year?  Recommended sources?

Thanks for the help.

David


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In article <CJH9pv.EBH@apollo.hp.com> rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer) writes:
>In article <1994Jan6.232333.27877@infonode.ingr.com> debradfo@ingr.com writes:
>> Rabbiteye blueberries are on my MUST PLANT list
>>for anyone. No pests, no pruning, great fruit, and beautiful fall color!
>
>Sounds great!  Naive questions time: is "rabbiteye" a variety, or
>a colloquialism for "highbush" (or etc), or... ?

Rabbiteye blueberries are the variety of blueberries that are
grown south of North Carolina.  My reading tells me they are
descended from wild stock found on the northern Florida border.
In growth, the plants are a super-highbush, growing up to twelve
feet high.  Recommended spacing is at least eight feet apart.

Some varieties are Tifblue, Brightwell, and Climax.  WalMart sells
them in one gallon containers ($3.00 last year; don't know the
price this year, but they're already in stock here in Houston). 
Sixteen of the eighteen we planted have survived so far without a
lot of care.  Plant at least two and preferably three varieties
for best polination.

Our first small crop was last year; they were good, but not as
sweet as I had hoped.  That (as well as yields) should improve in
the coming years.  Average yield for mature plants is about eight
quarts per plant if I remember; high-yielding years give as much
as 25 quarts a plant.


-- 
thomas rush			compaq computer corporation	
thomasr@cpqhou.compaq.com	their employee, not their opinions.
It's time to tell President Clinton to cut spending _first_.  Write him
at President@WhiteHouse.Gov.  Please do it today (and tomorrow and...).


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On the night of the winter solstice, I approach the venerable old tree,
living shrine of the sacred genes.  With snippers in hand I begin
harvesting the fruit.  With each little snip, the cool breeze from the 
lake becomes more and more perfumed with thymol and limonene, an olfactory
flashback to holidays past and future.  The tangerines are at their
peak, nearly explosive with aromatics; just handling them is enough to
release a little peel oil, compounding the orgy of promising aromas,
harbingers of gustatory gratification.
 
Gently I carry them into the house.  Holding one up to the light,
I savor the characteristics of this cultivar, the variety that I value
above all others.  The indescribable but unmistakable color, somewhere
between red and orange, more tantalizing than the glint of gold.
I offer obeisance to these noble oblate orboids, and break one open
as an oblation.  The rind is thin and tight but easy to peel, and soon
the interior glory is revealed: the articulated segments, the hollow axis,
the mysterious bits of stringy "rag."  Two segments at once, gotta have
it, I bite down and the juice sprays onto my eagerly waiting tongue and
palate.  Ah, the complex completeness of it all: the ketones and flavones,
the ascorbic and citric acid, the sugars, and the unique overtone of 
tangeretin -- a chemical orchestra playing the finest sensory symphony.
 
Lord, curse the citrus breeders who create varieties that are hard enough 
to roll down conveyor belts and be dropped into boxes, varieties that look
good but taste like sugared cellulose, cultivars that can be waxed and 
sit on a store shelf for three weeks and still look attractive enough to 
trick someone into buying them.  Lord, bless the soul of Colonel Dancy, 
patron saint of the mandarin clan, bless him for the acuity of his eyes and 
taste buds.  Amen.
 
-- Rick Harrison (hrick@world.std.com)
 




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From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: California Rare Fruit Growers
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From: heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com (Matt Heffron)
In <23clr1INN67v@gap.caltech.edu> kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) writes:

>California Rare Fruit Growers
>Fullerton Arboretum, CSFU
>Fullerton, CA 92634
>This club has a world-wide membership base and is very knowledgable

Yes, don't let its name fool you.  It has members all over the country, 
and indeed as far away as Africa, Czeckoslovakia and Australia.
Whether or not it is a larger group than NAFEX I don't know, but my 
beloved weird fruit group is a very vigourous entity.

>(Its $16 annual, US, which includes 6 issues of 'The Fruit Gardener'
>which is a color magazine, also a seed bank and seed exchange.)

The seed exchange alone is worth the price of admission.  

>>I'm a member, great organization!

Me, too.
This will sound bizarre, but for some of us, it's almost a cult.  I first
joined the organization on a whim.  I like fruit, I thought it would be
fun.  I might have, as easily at the time, joined a herb or bonsai group.  
Instead,I joined CRFG.  Within about 2 months, I turned completely into 
a crazed fruit maniac.  All other gardening interests dropped away.  

Everything I read of a horticultural nature, from then on, was related 
to fruit--especially, weird fruit.

Most of my personal friends are now weird fruiters.  

Grass disappeared from my yard, flowerbeds shrank.  Other than a few 
tomato vines, leaf lettuce in the winter and onions (to stave off aphids), 
a few herbs, my entire property is planted over to fruit trees.  

I now name my naranjillas

I now have to be careful among non-weird-fruiters.  If they are gardeners,
I try to convert them.  If they ask what I grow and I tell them, their eyes
glass over.  It is such a habit of mine now to assume that EVERYBODY knows
pittaya from pitomba, and an intellectual, if not gardening acquaintance
with jaboticaba. It shocks me when they don't.  I seek out new weird
fruit to taste or better yet to grow.  Thanks to CRFG, weird-fruiting 
has become something of an addiction with me.

Having local chapter meetings are worth attending for the fruit tasting
table alone.  It was at these that I tasted my first kei apple, 
surinam cherry, Diospyros lotus and my durian.   

>>I posted the membership info and application for CRFG a few months ago;
>>if anyone wants one, email me (I won't repost unless I get a lot of
>>interest).

Anyone with an interest in fruit growing should join.  (oops,there I 
go again)

>For those of you in southern california, CRFG will have their 25th
>anniversary celebration in Thousand Oaks, CA, which includes tours,
>plant and book sales, and food. 




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In article <1993Aug3.190127.16934@math.ucla.edu> ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (A
lice Ramirez) writes:
>From: heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com (Matt Heffron)
>In <23clr1INN67v@gap.caltech.edu> kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) writes:
>
California Rare Fruit Growers
Fullerton Arboretum, CSFU
Fullerton, CA 92634

This club has a world-wide membership base and is very knowledgable
>
>Yes, don't let its name fool you.  It has members all over the country,
>and indeed as far away as Africa, Czeckoslovakia and Australia.
>Whether or not it is a larger group than NAFEX I don't know, but my
>beloved weird fruit group is a very vigourous entity.
>
>>(Its $16 annual, US, which includes 6 issues of 'The Fruit Gardener'
>>which is a color magazine, also a seed bank and seed exchange.)
>
>The seed exchange alone is worth the price of admission.
>
>>>I'm a member, great organization!
>
>Me, too.

From the Ohio Heartland, where a tree-ripened pear or peach may be
considered rare, if not endangered, fruit:

I guess I'm a member of CRFG too, but I only joined in order to receive
the "Fruit Gardener" magazine.  It is a FANTASTIC publication.  Beautifully
edited and illustrated with articles of interest to people at all stages
of gardening and horticultural knowledge and experience.   Membership is
well worth $16 for the magazine alone.


JH


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In <23clr1INN67v@gap.caltech.edu> kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) writes:
  [...]
>---------
>Clubs:
>---------

>California Rare Fruit Growers
>Fullerton Arboretum, CSFU
>Fullerton, CA 92634
>This club has a world-wide membership base and is very knowledgable
>about rare plants. Send a SASE for inquiries.
>(Its $16 annual, US, which includes 6 issues of 'The Fruit Gardener'
>which is a color magazine, also a seed bank and seed exchange.)

I'm a member, great organization!
I posted the membership info and application for CRFG a few months ago;
if anyone wants one, email me (I won't repost unless I get a lot of
interest).

>For those of you in southern california, CRFG will have their 25th
>anniversary celebration in Thousand Oaks, CA, which includes tours,
>plant and book sales, and food. 

  [...]

>-----------
>Nurseries:
>----------- 

  [...]

>Atkins Nursery Inc
>3129 Reche Rd
>Fallbrook, CA 92028
>(619) 728-1610

Very helpful and knowledgable staff.  Last fall they were growing a
mango with FIVE POUND FRUIT!!!!  I think it was going to be available
as grafted trees this year.  Prices MUCH BETTER than home centers or
local nurseries.

>Orange County Source
>Roger and Shirley Meyer
>16531 Mt Shelly Circle
>Fountain Valley, CA 92708

Roger Meyer is probably THE expert on Kiwi in California (if not US).
He has many varieties most people have never heard of.
(How about a red or orange fruit kiwi, to color coordinate that
fruit salad!? :-)  I don't think these were in production yet :-(
(either fruit or plants).)
-- 
Matt Heffron                      heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com
Beckman Instruments, Inc.         voice: (714) 961-3128
2500 N. Harbor Blvd. MS X-11, Fullerton, CA 92634-3100
I don't speak for Beckman Instruments unless they say so.


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In <23p3hd$7eh@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> nstassen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicki A Stassen Lantz) writes:

>Oh, one last note: I wrote last fall (I think) to the Pacific Tree Farm in CA
>because I was really interested in buying a chocolate tree. They sent me back a
>catalog with a note that they were going out of business and everything was a %
>off the listed price.

>Not many places sell chocolate plants, so I was bummed to hear this news.
>Needless to say, I didn't place an order, and I'm wondering if anyone out there
>in CA knows if they managed to get back on their feet or not....

They did survive!!  One of the employees bought the business.
It was 'announced' in the "Fruit Gardener" :-)

Pacific Tree Farms
4301 Lynwood Drive
Chula Vista, CA 91910
(619) 422-2400
Closed Tuesday
Catalog $2.00

>NA Stassen lantz
>Programmer/Analyst
>The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH    Zone 5
-- 
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Beckman Instruments, Inc.         voice: (714) 961-3128
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Subject: California Rare Fruit Growers
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From: heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com (Matt Heffron)
In <23clr1INN67v@gap.caltech.edu> kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) writes:

>California Rare Fruit Growers
>Fullerton Arboretum, CSFU
>Fullerton, CA 92634
>This club has a world-wide membership base and is very knowledgable

Yes, don't let its name fool you.  It has members all over the country, 
and indeed as far away as Africa, Czeckoslovakia and Australia.
Whether or not it is a larger group than NAFEX I don't know, but my 
beloved weird fruit group is a very vigourous entity.

>(Its $16 annual, US, which includes 6 issues of 'The Fruit Gardener'
>which is a color magazine, also a seed bank and seed exchange.)

The seed exchange alone is worth the price of admission.  

>>I'm a member, great organization!

Me, too.
This will sound bizarre, but for some of us, it's almost a cult.  I first
joined the organization on a whim.  I like fruit, I thought it would be
fun.  I might have, as easily at the time, joined a herb or bonsai group.  
Instead,I joined CRFG.  Within about 2 months, I turned completely into 
a crazed fruit maniac.  All other gardening interests dropped away.  

Everything I read of a horticultural nature, from then on, was related 
to fruit--especially, weird fruit.

Most of my personal friends are now weird fruiters.  

Grass disappeared from my yard, flowerbeds shrank.  Other than a few 
tomato vines, leaf lettuce in the winter and onions (to stave off aphids), 
a few herbs, my entire property is planted over to fruit trees.  

I now name my naranjillas

I now have to be careful among non-weird-fruiters.  If they are gardeners,
I try to convert them.  If they ask what I grow and I tell them, their eyes
glass over.  It is such a habit of mine now to assume that EVERYBODY knows
pittaya from pitomba, and an intellectual, if not gardening acquaintance
with jaboticaba. It shocks me when they don't.  I seek out new weird
fruit to taste or better yet to grow.  Thanks to CRFG, weird-fruiting 
has become something of an addiction with me.

Having local chapter meetings are worth attending for the fruit tasting
table alone.  It was at these that I tasted my first kei apple, 
surinam cherry, Diospyros lotus and my durian.   

>>I posted the membership info and application for CRFG a few months ago;
>>if anyone wants one, email me (I won't repost unless I get a lot of
>>interest).

Anyone with an interest in fruit growing should join.  (oops,there I 
go again)

>For those of you in southern california, CRFG will have their 25th
>anniversary celebration in Thousand Oaks, CA, which includes tours,
>plant and book sales, and food. 




Article 20706 of rec.gardens:
From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins)
Subject: Re: California Rare Fruit Growers
Date: 3 Aug 1993 20:24:29 GMT
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In article <1993Aug3.190127.16934@math.ucla.edu> ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (A
lice Ramirez) writes:
>From: heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com (Matt Heffron)
>In <23clr1INN67v@gap.caltech.edu> kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) writes:
>
California Rare Fruit Growers
Fullerton Arboretum, CSFU
Fullerton, CA 92634

This club has a world-wide membership base and is very knowledgable
>
>Yes, don't let its name fool you.  It has members all over the country,
>and indeed as far away as Africa, Czeckoslovakia and Australia.
>Whether or not it is a larger group than NAFEX I don't know, but my
>beloved weird fruit group is a very vigourous entity.
>
>>(Its $16 annual, US, which includes 6 issues of 'The Fruit Gardener'
>>which is a color magazine, also a seed bank and seed exchange.)
>
>The seed exchange alone is worth the price of admission.
>
>>>I'm a member, great organization!
>
>Me, too.

From the Ohio Heartland, where a tree-ripened pear or peach may be
considered rare, if not endangered, fruit:

I guess I'm a member of CRFG too, but I only joined in order to receive
the "Fruit Gardener" magazine.  It is a FANTASTIC publication.  Beautifully
edited and illustrated with articles of interest to people at all stages
of gardening and horticultural knowledge and experience.   Membership is
well worth $16 for the magazine alone.

JH

Article 20657 of rec.gardens:
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Subject: Re: Rare Fruit growing article
From: heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com (Matt Heffron)
Date: 2 Aug 1993 11:51:16 -0700
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In <23clr1INN67v@gap.caltech.edu> kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.) writes:
  [...]
>---------
>Clubs:
>---------

>California Rare Fruit Growers
>Fullerton Arboretum, CSFU
>Fullerton, CA 92634
>This club has a world-wide membership base and is very knowledgable
>about rare plants. Send a SASE for inquiries.
>(Its $16 annual, US, which includes 6 issues of 'The Fruit Gardener'
>which is a color magazine, also a seed bank and seed exchange.)

I'm a member, great organization!
I posted the membership info and application for CRFG a few months ago;
if anyone wants one, email me (I won't repost unless I get a lot of
interest).

>For those of you in southern california, CRFG will have their 25th
>anniversary celebration in Thousand Oaks, CA, which includes tours,
>plant and book sales, and food. 

  [...]

>-----------
>Nurseries:
>----------- 

  [...]

>Atkins Nursery Inc
>3129 Reche Rd
>Fallbrook, CA 92028
>(619) 728-1610

Very helpful and knowledgable staff.  Last fall they were growing a
mango with FIVE POUND FRUIT!!!!  I think it was going to be available
as grafted trees this year.  Prices MUCH BETTER than home centers or
local nurseries.

>Orange County Source
>Roger and Shirley Meyer
>16531 Mt Shelly Circle
>Fountain Valley, CA 92708

Roger Meyer is probably THE expert on Kiwi in California (if not US).
He has many varieties most people have never heard of.
(How about a red or orange fruit kiwi, to color coordinate that
fruit salad!? :-)  I don't think these were in production yet :-(
(either fruit or plants).)
-- 
Matt Heffron                      heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com
Beckman Instruments, Inc.         voice: (714) 961-3128
2500 N. Harbor Blvd. MS X-11, Fullerton, CA 92634-3100
I don't speak for Beckman Instruments unless they say so.


Article 20764 of rec.gardens:
Subject: Re: California Rare Fruit Growers
From: heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com (Matt Heffron)
Date: 4 Aug 1993 14:28:53 -0700
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In <23p3hd$7eh@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> nstassen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicki A Stassen Lantz) writes:

>Oh, one last note: I wrote last fall (I think) to the Pacific Tree Farm in CA
>because I was really interested in buying a chocolate tree. They sent me back a
>catalog with a note that they were going out of business and everything was a %
>off the listed price.

>Not many places sell chocolate plants, so I was bummed to hear this news.
>Needless to say, I didn't place an order, and I'm wondering if anyone out there
>in CA knows if they managed to get back on their feet or not....

They did survive!!  One of the employees bought the business.
It was 'announced' in the "Fruit Gardener" :-)

Pacific Tree Farms
4301 Lynwood Drive
Chula Vista, CA 91910
(619) 422-2400
Closed Tuesday
Catalog $2.00

>NA Stassen lantz
>Programmer/Analyst
>The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH    Zone 5
-- 
Matt Heffron                      heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com
Beckman Instruments, Inc.         voice: (714) 961-3128
2500 N. Harbor Blvd. MS X-11, Fullerton, CA 92634-3100
I don't speak for Beckman Instruments unless they say so.


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kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu writes:
> Can anyone suggest good titles, ref. books for nut trees that do well in the  
> Pacific Northwest?
> 
> kris carroll
I'd recommend the SUNSET WESTERN GARDEN BOOK and their FRUITS, NUTS, AND
BERRIES book. Also, the Northwoods and Raintree Nurseries both provide
informative catalogs, geared to Northwest growers.
RAINTREE NURSERY
391 Butts Road
Morton, WA 98356
(206)496-6400

NORTHWOODS RETAIL NURSERY
27635 S. Ogleby Rd.
CANBY, OR 97013
(503) 266-5432

Both companies concentrate on fruits, nuts, and berries.


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I don't know where you are looking, but the two Northwest catalogs I
mentioned in answer to a question about Northwest nut growing information
offer the trees. However, I'd think you'd be better off ordering from your
coast; otherwise, the shipping charges might be as much as the tree. An
old (ten year) Ortho book on growing Fruits an berries has some companies
that might have what you are looking for. I can't vouch for whether or not
they still exist ofr not.
Bountiful Ridge Nurseries, Inc., Box 250, Princess Anne, MD 21853
Oh, you might also check the back of the ORTHO or HP book on citrus. The
books are more current and they do have suppliers in the back.



annette lim writes:

> A friend of mine lives in the South San Jose area (zone 15)
> and is interested in finding a source for a fruiting persimmon
> tree for the garden.  I don't know the name of the variety exactly,
> but I usually find the fruit sold in the Asian grocery markets.
> The persimmons are hard and shaped like squat tomatoes.  The fruit
> is often eaten like apples.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

then your friend wants (some cultivar of) the asian persimmon (kaki), 
as opposed to the american persimmon

a commercial supplier of many kaki cultivars (grafted onto american 
rootstock i believe) is:

   chestnut hill nursery (florida) 800-669-2067

btw, this is the outfit that supplies everybody else with dunstan
chestnuts -- they sell some other stuff too, but kakis and chestnuts 
are their main products

one little tiny caution -- watch out for nematodes from those sandy
southeastern soils

--
mike langston <langston@cs.utk.edu>
department of computer science, university of tennessee


Article 20470 of rec.gardens:
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Subject: Fruit tree grafting - tips from limited experience
From: heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com (Matt Heffron)
Date: 28 Jul 1993 11:56:22 -0700
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I received a few requests for grafting tips, so, based on LIMTED
experience (2 years), here goes...

* Sterility of the tools is important to MAKE SURE that there is no
  chance of any possible contamination of the graft.  I use a spray
  bottle (e.g. like for window cleaner) with a 10-15% chlorine bleach
  solution (i.e. between 1:5 and 1:9 bleach-to-water ratio).  Spray
  the tools between EVERY GRAFT.

* Use a SHARP knife for making the cuts.  If you don't use a
  grafting knife then use a knife with a thin stiff blade and a
  good, solid handle that you can really hold onto.  A kitchen
  paring knife might be OK if the blade is thin and stiff, a hobby
  knife usually has too small (thin) a handle, a retractable utility
  knife (the kind with the 1x2" trapezoidal blades) works well, but
  make a few cuts in scrap wood first to get the oil off of the blade.
  I use the utility knife.

For a whip (splice) graft:

* Choose the location on the stock to graft, correctly.  It MUST be
  pointing as close to vertical as possible.

* Try to match the diameter of the scion to the stock as much as you
  can.  The best size for the scion is about the same as a pencil
  (.25"x7") before you make your cut.  (You really only want about 3
  buds on the scion when you're done, but start with extra length to
  work with making the cut.  I NEVER get a good cut the first try.)

* Cut the stock first.  Then cut the scion, so that the buds point in
  the direction you want (i.e. away from the center of the tree, and not
  pointed to cross other branches.)  Try to make both cuts the same
  length.

* Be sure to cut the bottom of the scion (with some plants it's hard
  to tell which end is UP).

* You MUST match the cambium layer in the stock and the scion.  (The
  cambium is the layer just below the bark.)  If you can't match both
  sides of a cut because of different diameters, then match as much
  as you can of one side.  DON'T just center the scion on the stock.

* Using vinyl grafting tape (not teflon plumbers tape, it looks right
  but it isn't strong enough), wrap the graft snugly to hold the scion
  to the stock.  Be sure to cover the entire cut area, if the cut is
  exposed, it'll either dry out or get infected, either way you lose.

* Cut the exposed scion down to 3 buds.  More doesn't help.  It
  divides the energy going into the scion.

* HINT NOT IN ANY GRAFTING BOOKS! *
  Take a 2x4" piece of PARAFILM laboratory film, stretch it lengthwise
  (into a 2x10" approx piece), and wrap the whole graft and scion, all
  the way over the end of the scion (i.e. a spiral wrap).  This helps
  keep the scion from drying out, and you can leave it on since the
  buds can grow right through the PARAFILM, and it eventually just
  breaks down.  You should be able to get PARAFILM from chemist or
  biology friends or lab stockrooms or lab supply companies.  Try
  friends first, you have to buy it in 125 or 250 FOOT rolls. (That's
  750 to 1500 grafts!)

* Leave the tape on the graft as long as you can.  Until it looks like
  it is girdling (strangling) the branch.

* When the new growth is about 12-14 inches, pinch off the tips of the
  growth to force it to branch out.  I'm told this will result in a
  healthier, more productive limb later on.

* If it is growing really well, tie the limb to a stake to support it
  so the new growth doesn't get too heavy for the graft joint to hold
  up, especially if it's windy where you are.  (I lost 2 grafts this
  way.)


THE BEST WAY TO LEARN TO GRAFT IS TO BE SHOWN BY SOMEONE.
It's not as hard as it sounds, watching someone do it really helps.

A couple of other grafting points.

Grafting does not cause the fruit produced to be some sort of hybrid
between the stock tree and the scion type.  The fruit will be exactly
the scion type.

You can graft most stone fruits onto each other: peach, nectarine,
apricot, plum, almond.  Although some will take better than others.
(E.g., European plums and Oriental plums don't seem to graft together
well.)

You can also graft apple varieties onto each other, pear varieties onto
each other (including asian pears (yummm!)), and some apples and pears
onto each other.

You can bud graft any citrus onto any other citrus.  (There are
probably exceptions, but I haven't heard of 'em.)

That's enough for now.  (I've really got to do some REAL work... :-)

-- 
Matt Heffron                      heffron@falstaff.css.beckman.com
Beckman Instruments, Inc.         voice: (714) 961-3128
2500 N. Harbor Blvd. MS X-11, Fullerton, CA 92634-3100
I don't speak for Beckman Instruments unless they say so.


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Baljinder Singh (bsingh@winton.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote:

: Hello folks,

: I need some info on French Columbard - wine grapes. We are looking
: at some property that has ten-year-old vines that are in pretty bad 
: shape. The vines are just beginning to sprout buds. The vines have 
: not been pruned yet (after the 1992 harvest).

: I would like to know if it would be better to not prune this year;
: OR would it be ok to prune even now. What effect would this
: have on yields ?


	It's probably better to go ahead and prune (as soon as possible).  
	Colombard is a vigorous and fairly heavy yielding grape, so if left 
	unpruned, you will have a mess, not to mention a poor quality crop.  

	Prune fairly aggressively.  Most spurs should be left with 2 buds.
	If the vines are in poor shape, count on a year or two of careful
	pruning and maintenance to get them in shape, and don't worry too
	much about crop for that time.

----
Tom Menzies
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Microwave Technology Division
Santa Rosa, California
tmenzies@sr.hp.com


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Hi folks:

Thanks a lot for all the positive inputs.
As a reference about kiwi plants the following article was suggested.

Hardy Kiwis
by Lee Reich
Horticulture, The magazine of American Gardening
Volume LXXI, number 7, Aug/Sept 1993, page 60+

The right kind of pruning seems to be the secret (or one of the secrets).
Generally, moderate pruning in the dormant period seems to be ok for
fruitful growth.

However, in my article I asked how to limit excessive growth. This might be
achieved via
a) Pruning in summer
b) Pruning of the roots

-- 
Martin A. Zurn                         (Internet: martin.zurn@jrc.it)


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In article <sharonl.747700192@godzilla> sharonl@informix.com (Sharon Levine) writes:
>I have a feeling this has been discussed, but I missed it.
>What's a pawpaw, what does it taste like?  How large is
>the tree, and would it be possible to grow  one in
>the San Francisco Bay Area.  It gets cold here, and hot,
>and foggy.  Soil is mostly heavy adobe.  
>thanks for any info.

The pawpaw (Asimina triloba) is considered by some to be the most delicious
fruit you can grow in colder areas.  However, there is much variability
in flavor among specimens.  So either buy a named variety, or dig up a sucker
from a known good performer.  If digging up a sucker, stick with a very small
one--e.g. 18 inches.  Much bigger than that, and it will probably die.  Also,
protect the plant from sun burn (e.g., with a cheese cloth tent) for a few
years.

I have read that they will bear fruit in San Francisco--but that surprises me,
since their native range stopped just short of the East coast, and I
assumed that meant the coastal weather was too mild (not hot enough) to 
mature their fruit. 

I have read that it is very difficult for Californians to get pawpaws ordered
from "back East" to grow, because of the season differential.  So maybe try
to order from a California nursery.  However, seed from "back East" should not
be a problem.

Pawpaws have lush tropical looking foilage that gives a nice yellow fall
color.  They grow as bushes or small trees, preferring rich soil, especially
along stream banks.  As I recall, they are "out pollintors", so you probably
want to plant at least two, and not the same cultivar (or not dug from the
same area).

Dave Daulton, Columbus, Ohio Zone 5


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From: kelly@cco.caltech.edu (Kelly F.)
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Summary: Sourcelist of nurseries and clubs

I just noticed my latest issue of Veggie Life magazine ("Growing
cooking and eating green") has an article entitled "Subtropical
Fruits for Your Greenhouse."  They cover (briefly!) cherimoya, allspice,
star fruit, philodendron, acerola, passion fruit, jelly palm and 
jaboticaba. The best part is they give the following info at the end
of the article :

---------
Clubs:
---------

California Rare Fruit Growers
Fullerton Arboretum, CSFU
Fullerton, CA 92634
This club has a world-wide membership base and is very knowledgable
about rare plants. Send a SASE for inquiries.
(Its $16 annual, US, which includes 6 issues of 'The Fruit Gardener'
which is a color magazine, also a seed bank and seed exchange.)

For those of you in southern california, CRFG will have their 25th
anniversary celebration in Thousand Oaks, CA, which includes tours,
plant and book sales, and food. 

Rare Fruit Council International Inc.
PO Box 561914
Miami, FL 33256

Paw Paw Trackers
Ray Jones
783 Cornell Dr
Santa Clara, CA 95051
Dues are $5 the first year and $2 thereafter. Make checks payable to
Ray Jones.

-----------
Nurseries:
----------- 

Exotica Rare Fruit Nursery
PO Box 160 
Vista, CA 92083
(619) 724-9093
Plant list available.

Atkins Nursery Inc
3129 Reche Rd
Fallbrook, CA 92028
(619) 728-1610

Orange County Source
Roger and Shirley Meyer
16531 Mt Shelly Circle
FOuntain Valley, CA 92708

Pacific Tree Farms
4301 Lynwood Dr
Chula Vista, CA 92010
(619) 422-2400

Its nice to see growing exotic fruits getting more out in the mainstream!
(Is Veggie Life mainstream??!)

Kelly
kelly@cco.caltech.edu



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Gisele Magnusson (gisele@batslab.remote.ualberta.ca) wrote:
: In western Canada we grow a berry called the Saskatoon.  Someone told me  
: it was the same as the "service berry" in the northern United States.  Can  
: anyone describe a service berry to me (color, taste, uses)?  Better yet  
: does anyone know the scientific name for it is?

: Thanks for your help

: Gisele Magnusson
: Edmonton, Alberta

Serviceberry is a common name for Amelanchier species (some species are
also known as Shadbush).

Steven Clemants
Brooklyn Botanic Garden


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As mentioned in previous post, Shadbush (or Serviceberry, Juneberry)
belong to the genus Amelanchier.  Several selections have been made from
the wild in Canada from the species A. alnifolia.  These are grown for
their edible fruit, primarily in areas that are too cold for the
cultivation of apples and pears.  Another species, A. canadensis, is also
common in N. America.  Email me if you would like information on sources
of material (species or cultivars).
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> In western Canada we grow a berry called the Saskatoon.  
> Someone told me it was the same as the "service berry" in 
> the northern United States.  Can anyone describe a service 
> berry to me (color, taste, uses)?  Better yet does anyone 
> know the scientific name for it is?

The Western Service Berry, Amelanchier alnifolia, grows as shrub
to small tree form (1 to 5 m).  The leaves are alternate, oval
to oblong, petioled, deciduous, and slightly toothed (it reminds
me of a red alder).  The berries are red to deep red (almost 
black).  They are unpalatable, but I don't think they're 
poisonous.  I seem to remember something from my grade school
days that local Native Americans, and Native Canadians, too I 
guess, :-), made wine from them.  The service berry grows from 
Alaska south the California and east to the middle US.

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Gisele

You have the botanical low-down on Service Berries and now
for the gastronomic side. Someone mentioned about the berries
being inedible. This may be from their smell that is slightly
reminiscent of cyanide (!?). Don't let this put you off. My
partner grew up on a southern Manitoba farm where Saskatoons
were used in place of Blueberries.

We have picked them wild around Thunder Bay here and most
recently have picked them at a "Pick-your-own" berry farm.
We can them in mason jars in a light sugar syrup. They are
wonderful over pancakes in the middle of winter! They are similar
to blueberries in taste and you don't have to bend over to pick them.

We have about 7 species around here: Amelanchier laevis, A. sanguinea,
A. spicata, A. bartramiana, A. stolonifera, A. arborea, (A. humilis?),
and A. alnifolia - the one most people eat and call Saskatoons.

Natives used to beat them into a paste, dry them and mix them with
pemmican for use in winter.

Hope this is of some help/interest

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In <1994Feb8.144846.22205@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> gisele@batslab.remote.ualberta.ca (Gisele Magnusson) writes:

>In western Canada we grow a berry called the Saskatoon.  Someone told me  
>it was the same as the "service berry" in the northern United States.  Can  
>anyone describe a service berry to me (color, taste, uses)?  Better yet  
>does anyone know the scientific name for it is?

>Thanks for your help

>Gisele Magnusson
>Edmonton, Alberta

Gisele -- 
In addition to the other responses, I will add my experiences with June
berries (serviceberries, shadblow, etc.).  The species we have growing as
ornamentals on campus here in Ames, Iowa is A. canadensis, which flowers
attractively and sets ample fruit.  I have harvested and consumed the fruit.
Along with friends, I have made baked "juneberry crisp", using an altered
recipe for apple crisp, and it was, indeed suscessful (although a bit seedy!).
My understanding is that the ripe berries do make an acceptable wine, but I
have not attempted that.  When ripe the berries are a red-purple and are
soft...  Around here, they don't last long, you need to race the birds.
That's my $0.02!

Rich Pope, 
Ames Iowa
 
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In <ropope.760809387@vincent1.iastate.edu> ropope@iastate.edu (Richard O Pope) writes:

>In <1994Feb8.144846.22205@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> gisele@batslab.remote.ualberta.ca (Gisele Magnusson) writes:

>>In western Canada we grow a berry called the Saskatoon.  Someone told me  
>>it was the same as the "service berry" in the northern United States.  Can  
>>anyone describe a service berry to me (color, taste, uses)?  Better yet  
>>does anyone know the scientific name for it is?

>>Thanks for your help

>>Gisele Magnusson
>>Edmonton, Alberta

>Gisele -- 
>In addition to the other responses, I will add my experiences with June
>berries (serviceberries, shadblow, etc.).  The species we have growing as
>ornamentals on campus here in Ames, Iowa is A. canadensis, which flowers
>attractively and sets ample fruit.  I have harvested and consumed the fruit.
>Along with friends, I have made baked "juneberry crisp", using an altered
>recipe for apple crisp, and it was, indeed suscessful (although a bit seedy!).
>My understanding is that the ripe berries do make an acceptable wine, but I
>have not attempted that.  When ripe the berries are a red-purple and are
>soft...  Around here, they don't last long, you need to race the birds.
>That's my $0.02!

>Rich Pope, 
>Ames Iowa
> 
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As far as I know there are two versions of it growing in the US.  The one I
know is the Western one which I've picked near Aspen CO.  It is absolutely
uninteresting raw.  But when cooked and rendered into a puree, it has a mild
berry flavor with a marked almond flavor as well.  








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CL>Gisele Magnusson (gisele@batslab.remote.ualberta.ca) wrote:
CL>: In western Canada we grow a berry called the Saskatoon.  Someone told me
CL>: it was the same as the "service berry" in the northern United States.  Can
CL>: anyone describe a service berry to me (color, taste, uses)?  Better yet
CL>: does anyone know the scientific name for it is?

CL>: Thanks for your help

CL>: Gisele Magnusson
CL>: Edmonton, Alberta

CL>Serviceberry is a common name for Amelanchier species (some species are
CL>also known as Shadbush).

        They grow wild in South Central Montana, at about 5000 ft
elevation.  They are popular with bears.  They are also popular with
people, who use them mostly to make pies.  Many of them never make it
back to the house to become pies (at least when I'm picking). The berry
has a general resemblance to a blueberry, with a fine internal seediness
and a quite good flavor.  It changes durig ripening from red to purplish
black.  The bushy plant grows generally about 10 - 12 ft tall.




