EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 5, Number 3 Today's Topics: Mac MIDI Interface Archives at AU (4 messages) MIDI on a Budget Found music IBM PS/2 Model 50 MIDI interfacing (2 messages) Discussion on electronic music studios Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 May 89 08:41:00 EST From: Chris Iverson Subject: Altech midi interface According to the advertisement in MacUser (June '89), MacWarehouse has the Altech Midi interface for 9. Their number is (800) 255-6227. Chris Iverson Chris@FandM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 89 15:21:37 EDT From: Eric Harnden Subject: archives to date ok, let's see.. we got GLIB out there. it's GETable as a package. and i've finally written up something on the Sample Dump Standard. also, i've just been given a staggering amount of storage space by my sysop, so we can go ahead and start up an archive of dumps for various synths. i'd also like to have more textual/refernce material, particularly tech and composition articles, so if you've got anything interesting, send it in/let me know. and don't forget to get those resume forms and send them in. info on how to do these things can be obtained be sending GET EMUSIC INFO to LISTSERV@AUVM. happy trails. Eric Harnden (Ronin) The American University Physics Dept. (202) 885-2758 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 89 12:04:00 CDT From: GALANTER@NUACC Subject: RE: archives to date Is there any reason that GLIB is preferred over SYSEX? (SYSEX simply sends/receives/saves/restores any system exclusive as is...i.e. without headers or compacting). Is GLIB available for Atari's as well as Macs, and MS-DOS systems? Phil || Philip Galanter, Mgr. \ 627 Dartmouth Place // AppleLink: A42 \ || ACNS Development Group \ Evanston IL 60208 // Compuserve: 76474,154 \ || Northwestern University \ (312)-491-4050 // galanter@nuacc.acns.nwu.edu \ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 89 10:00:00 LCL From: Greg Lee Subject: RE: archives to date I should have added concerning glib and the upload/download business that the facility I mentioned is implemented now only for the Unix version of glib. But it shouldn't be hard for a C programmer to extend it to a pc version. If there are other things -- complaints, suggestions, ... -- that come up concerning glib, I won't be able to respond for a couple of weeks, since I'll be away. Unless, well, I could maybe if someone had an account I could use in the Boston area ... -- Greg, lee@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (lee@uhccux on Bitnet) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 89 10:00:00 LCL From: Greg Lee Subject: RE: archives to date +---------------- +Is there any reason that GLIB is preferred over SYSEX? (SYSEX simply +sends/receives/saves/restores any system exclusive as is...i.e. without +headers or compacting). Judging from your description of SYSEX, glib provides two additional capabilites. It's a librarian: you can move individual voices out of one patch dump file and into another. And it's an editor: you can modify voices or create new ones by changing the individual parameters of a voice. The current version of glib may be usable in cooperation with SYSEX, depending on how the patch files were set up by the person who did the implementation for the synth you use. There are 'U' and 'D' commands which write to or read from a file just as though the file were a synth. So if you had previously dumped stuff from your synth into a file, then you could "download" the contents of that file into glib for examination or editing. If it happened that glib could not be used to upload a dump to the synth directly (perhaps because there was no midi implementation for your micro yet, say, or it didn't work right), then you could "upload" the patch data from glib to a dump file, then get it into your synth using SYSEX. However, as I mentioned, whether this actually works depends on some implementation details. For instance, for the Kawai K1, I chose to put the multi voices and single voices in separate files. If your SYSEX utility puts them together in one big dump file, you'd have to concatenate or split files to get the two utilities to cooperate. +Is GLIB available for Atari's as well as Macs, +and MS-DOS systems? There is some out-of-date support for the Atari ST included in the distribution. It worked, presumably, for some previous version of glib, but will surely require some hacking to get working for this version. Greg, lee@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 89 16:03 EST From: "Richard S. Holmes" Subject: RE: MIDI on a Budget Thanks, Dr DOS and others, for the recent (well, two weeks ago?) recommendations on "MIDI on a budget" equipment. Just one question: >> My first rule is to buy good, warranteed used gear... Where does one buy good, warranteed used gear? Rich Holmes ========================================================== Richard S. Holmes Phone: (315)443-3891 or Physics Department -2701 Syracuse University BITNET: Rich@SUHEP Syracuse, NY 13244 =============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 89 16:51:27 BST From: Nick Rothwell Subject: found music >investigate and collect those forms that have been assimilated: the >sounds of traffic have found their way into jazz; train sounds have been a >staple tonal effect for a long time; the roar of motorcycles is a distinct >source for the origins of heavy metal; and so on. collect these things, Some of these ideas are central to the sort of music I want to make... I'm interested in predominantly instrumental synthesiser music, but with a sprinkling of natural sounds. A couple of examples come to mind, but are probably rather obscure - Synthasy from Klaus Schulze's "Dig It" album has an up-tempo rhythmic section, plus snatches of vocals; nothing more than the sibilant sounds, in fact, but enough to add a lot of life to the piece. Michael Hoenig's "Departure from the Northern Wasteland" has the sound of a train running along its tracks, together with an atmospheric "double-guitar" sequence for the whistle. Schulze's Stardancer track has a thunderstorm, plus a drummer, playing into a stereo ping-pong echo. Rather dated now, of course, but still pretty impressive. Kate Bush's Hounds of Love has sampled and pitch- shifted vocals, plus the "underwater" sequences with the submarine sonar (curse 'er, I was thinking of using that sound...) And there's the Eurythmics' track with the subway trains... There are dozens of synth albums with bits of voices, as well as synthesised rain, thunder, sea, water, etc. (pretty easy to do with any self-respecting synth/chorus). The most beautiful examples of mixed natural and musical sound seem to be accidental - has anybody seen "Testimony", the film about Shostakovitch? There's a sequence towards the end, with the opening of a largo from one of the symphonies (I think), and a little girl's voice talking over the top. Somehow the two elements fitted together perfectly. Now, if I could take that kind of magic, and bottle and sell it, I'd make a fortune... Nick. -- Nick Rothwell, Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh. nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk !mcvax!ukc!lfcs!nick ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ Fais que ton reve soit plus long que la nuit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 89 09:21:00 EST From: Chaos Incarnate Subject: Model 50 PS/2 IBM PS/2 Model 50 users - don't despair! Out of curiosity I gave Key Electronic Enterprises a call (1-800-KEE-MIDI) to find out if anything were available for my Model 50, and they happily informed me that they do have a compatible Midi interface (don't ask me how) which retails, with software, for about 29. They are more than happy to send information out on this. Investigation might bring some interesting results..... Key Electronic Enterprises 9112 Hwy 80 W, Suite 221-E Fort Worth, Texas 76 1-800-KEE-MIDI Dan Kraus DKRAUS@FORDMURH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 89 15:35:00 EDT From: "Dr. DOS" Subject: RE: Model 50 PS/2 Dan Kraus wrote recently concerning a PS/2 compatible interface for MIDI, and indicated he didn't know how they did it. I thought I'd fill in some of the details. The KEE Midiator interface is a serial, RS-232 style interface for use with the PS/2 serial port. It is emphatically NOT an MPU-401 compatible unit. What this means is that most available MIDI software for the PC will not run with the KEE interface. KEE has a simple 16-track sequencer available, along with some MIDI utilities, but that's all there is. Sequencer Plus, Cakewalk, Dr. T., Forte, etc. are totally incompatible. That situaution may change as KEE sells more units, but it's very much a Catch-22 situation. Manufacturers don't want to update their software until enough interfaces have been sold, but users are hesitant to buy until software support exists. Much the same situation applies to the IBM Music Feature and the Yamaha C1 Music laptop. You don't see much for them at this point, and you may never see it! If your needs are simple, the KEE board might do it, but we all know how addicting the MIDI bug can get! Just know what you're buying into... Dave Goodwin GOODWIN@SMCVAX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 89 22:52:05 CDT From: "David M. Stowell (312) 930-1942" Subject: Errant note (discussion on Emusic studios) I received the following message (condensed from 6 NOTEs) last week. Due to addressing problems, I cannot reply to him directly. However, it seems that he follow this list, so he will most likely be able to receive it here. Furthermore, if anyone can help him find the resources he is searching for---in particular, Jeff Beer might have some good ideas. By the way, Jeff, you're up here in Chicago, right? Are you currently gigging? If so, could you let me know when your next few gigs are? I'd like to hear your stuff sometime. Thank you. ------------------------------ >Date: Fri, 19 May 89 10:23:45 EDT >From: Bill Lennox >Subject: e-mail addresses of EMusic studios Do you have addresses of NorthWestern and UIUC studios? Do you have addresses for EM studios in Illinois? Do you have e-mail addresses for studios at NorthWestern & Champaign. Do you have e-mail address dir studios in Ill? Do you have e-mail for studios in UI & NorthWestern? With your interest in Electronic Music, I wonder if you have addresses for studios such as that at NorthWestern - Gary Kendall and at Champaign: - Jim Beauchamp? I am working in Miami on some new compositions (visiting from Europe) and should be working in a number of studios over the next 2-3 years. >Date: 21 May 1989 22:31:43 CDT >From: "David M. Stowell (312) 930-1942" >Subject: Studios in Illinois Given your apparent urgency in contacting me (5 NOTEs in one account and one NOTE in the other), I do not relish the thought of disappointing you. However, I do not have any access to or knowledge of the facilities you have listed. While I am trained in electronic music from high school, I have been most interested in applying those techniques in a progressive rock context. Thus, most of my recording experience has been in jerry-rigged school facilities, as well as some traditional commercial studios. I regret that I cannot be of help to you. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | David M. Stowell \|/ | | University of Illinois at Chicago \ / | | BITNET: U17227@UICVM.BITNET = = | | Internet: U17227@UICVM.UIC.EDU /|\ | | <=> | | \ = / | | The optimist laughed \ = / | | And the pessimist cried in his wine = | | And the madman said "Son, = | | Take a word--they'll all wake, given time" = | | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------- End of EMUSIC-L Digest **********************