EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 40, Issue 05 This issue's topics: Video/Audio scoring (9 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1992 13:03:57 BST From: nick@DCS.EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: MIDI-Videore:Nick really any vcr will work as long as you have timecode on an audio channel. If there is no other sound that you will be using from the video that is. Hmm, yes, but do VCR's generally allow you to record the audio channel separately from the video? Don't they just have a big "record" button? I'm not sure if MTP is MIDI-SPMTE or not I don't use Mac. Yes, the MTP has SMPTE, with jam sync and so on. you can mix down to video in a facility that has *good* *broadcast* decks. Well, that's not needed. I'll have a video of an already-choreographed work, and I need to add a soundtrack. The final result is audio only - something for the dancer to dance to - not a finished sound+vision video. Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1992 10:56:19 BST From: nick@DCS.EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: Video/Audio scoring I really don't know much about what you will be doing with the VCR but I'm sure you know that MOTU has the Video Time Piece. would that be of any help? I don't think the VTP does anything I need - it's for visual cues, and weirder sorts of (vertical) timecode and things I don't understand. All I need is horizontal SMPTE and the ability to record timecode and (perhaps) audio without affecting the picture. Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1992 22:27:22 PDT From: Steve Buck Subject: Re: Video/Audio scoring In a previous post, nick@DCS.EDINBURGH.AC.UK writes: > I don't think the VTP does anything I need - it's for visual cues, and > weirder sorts of (vertical) timecode and things I don't understand. All > I need is horizontal SMPTE and the ability to record timecode and > (perhaps) audio without affecting the picture. > > Nick. > On most "home" decks, you don't have the option of overdubbing on the audio or video tracks. There are some models that will allow this. I have an old RCA that will let me dub the audio or video alone. Kinda handy for laying down SMPTE on one of the tracks. Is this what you had in mind doing? And then syncing to MIDI? Just curious. -- <^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> < Steve Buck Internet: (sbuck@eddie.ee.vt.edu) > < > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1992 08:16:10 EDT From: The Radio Gnome Subject: Re: MIDI-Videore:Nick On Thu, 30 Apr 1992 13:03:57 BST said: >Hmm, yes, but do VCR's generally allow you to record the audio channel >separately from the video? Don't they just have a big "record" button? Some do, some don't. I found out the hard way when mail ordering a hi-fi VCR from American Audio. The salesman assured me that both the Mitsubish HSU-54 and the Sony SLV-585 would do simulcast recording. They didn't. Neither did the Philips 6605, despite the manual saying that it would. For that model I ended up calling the national tech rep in Tennessee to confirm this. The Panasonic PV-405x series and the Sanyo VR-9406 both do simulcast but need a video signal to keep the audio hi-fi tracks stable. Andy Wing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1992 07:29:23 -0400 From: Robert Doyle Subject: NickMidiVideo Nick, If you do not need to go back down to videotape but are only using the video as visual cues then, this I have to say... Be sure the videotape has timecode on an audio track and not only the visual window. Lock your sequencer to this TC. If you need to be putting sounds to tape as your sequencing then re-generate this TC to one track of a multitrack deck. It's early here, I'll re-read your posting and respond again if I missed some- thing. rdoyle@brock1p.bitnet Bob Doyle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1992 10:43:34 BST From: nick@DCS.EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: Video/Audio scoring >On most "home" decks, you don't have the option of overdubbing on the audio >or video tracks. There are some models that will allow this. I have an >old RCA that will let me dub the audio or video alone. Kinda handy for laying >down SMPTE on one of the tracks. Is this what you had in mind doing? And then >syncing to MIDI? Just curious. I think that's what I had in mind, yes. So, SMPTE (of the MIDI Time Piece variety) is just recorded as audio on one audio track of the VCR, yes? Presumably that knocks out any notion of stereo (which isn't important for the video itself). So what's all this about putting SMPTE between frames and so on? I assume that's all VTC which I'm not going to be playing around with. Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1992 11:40:12 -0400 From: Robert Doyle Subject: NickMidiSMPTE To Nick, You do not have to record the music on the videotape do you? Another idea if you do would be to rent a broadcast machine with a timecode track and two audio tracks. a U-Matic SONY would be my choice. But I don't see why it is a problem to mix to an audio deck after the sequence is finished. There are a few different types of timecode... vertical interval timecode - VITC is in the vertical interval of the video signal---- no good for this, you need timecode recorded as an audio signal either on an audio channel or on a timecode track. good luck rdoyle@brock1p Bob Doyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1992 10:50:13 BST From: nick@DCS.EDINBURGH.AC.UK Subject: MIDI-Videore:Nick Many thanks, folks, all for feedback on VCR's. What I'll be doing (as I've probably mentioned) is composing a music/sound soundtrack for a contemporary dance piece which is already (pretty much) choreographed. So, I'll have a video of it, and reckoned that the best way to work is to stripe the videotape with LTC and lock Performer to it. It would be nice to put the audio on the videotape itself, just to pass it on to the performer and choreographer, but a single (mono) audio channel would do here (with the other audio track presumably carrying timecode). The proper thing is going to be stereo of course. Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1992 13:19:01 ADT From: Alan Edwards Subject: Re: MIDI-Video In message Nick writes: > Many thanks, folks, all for feedback on VCR's. What I'll be doing (as > I've probably mentioned) is composing a music/sound soundtrack for a > contemporary dance piece which is already (pretty much) choreographed. > So, I'll have a video of it, and reckoned that the best way to work is > to stripe the videotape with LTC and lock Performer to it. It would be > nice to put the audio on the videotape itself, just to pass it on to > the performer and choreographer, but a single (mono) audio channel > would do here (with the other audio track presumably carrying > timecode). The proper thing is going to be stereo of course. > > Nick. > If you have access to a second deck that has Hi-Fi, you could put LTC on the original linear audio track, (most decks have audio overdub), and do your sequencing with that as the clock source. When you are finished, record your music onto the HI-Fi tracks of the second deck while dubbing the video over. There is one generation of video loss here, but you get your music in glorious stereo, and after all what is more important? Remember that if you want time code on the second tape you cannot just do an audio dub...it must be regenerated through the SMPTE machine. Good luck ... Alan Edwards aedwards@unb.ca ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************