EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 42, Issue 06 This issue's topics: Software Aural Training Programs for MAC and PC (2 messages) cmu midi (2 messages) cmusic ports... hard drives and soundfiles (fwd) IBM Music Feature card? In search of sound patches for the Yamaha FM chip Interfacing to the MIDI Manager Kandinsky Music Painter MsDOS to Mac Converter? (4 messages) musicbox (2 messages) Soft for DS-8 was:Please help:Now-Cakewalk/Kawai MIDI note #'s Where to get MIDI files? Win 3.1/Roland SCC-1/Finale/WinCake Pro PROBLEM Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:27:00 LCL From: DOWRJ@VAX1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK Subject: Aural Training Programs for MAC and PC Hi - does anyone know of any aural training packages for the MAC or PC (commercial or (even better) public domain) ? In particular we are looking for GUIDO developed at the University of Delaway for the PC and PLAESTRINA developed at Dartmouth College, UK for the MAC. We want to find a supplier of both these packages but have had no luck. ANy help gratefully received: Robert J Dow University of Birmingham DOWRJ@vax1.bham.ac.uk (E-mail given with INTERNET ordering) ---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:25:00 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@MCIMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: Aural Training Programs for MAC and PC Although I don't think you can access it from the UK, America Online here in the US has several public domain programs for each platform in the area of aural training. They are relatively simple, but they can be useful. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | _&_ | | / \ | | | | | | | (0)(0) Eric McCormick | | C .---_) | | | |.___| MCI Telecommunications | | | \__/ | | /_____\ 0004775674@MCIMAIL.COM | | /_____/ \ | | / \ | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ --------------------------------- Forwarded message via: mailbox 1, EMCCORMICK on MCI ** Message Received OK Date: Tue Jul 28, 1992 6:38 am EST Source-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:27:00 LCL From: Electronic Music Discussion List EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: EMUSIC-L@american.edu TO: * Eric McCormick / MCI ID: 477-5674 TO: Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: EMUSIC-L@american.edu Subject: Aural Training Programs for MAC and PC Message-Id: 64920728113846/0003765414NA1EM Source-Msg-Id: <9207280729.aa05141@NRI.Reston.VA.US> Hi - does anyone know of any aural training packages for the MAC or PC (commercial or (even better) public domain) ? In particular we are looking for GUIDO developed at the University of Delaway for the PC and PLAESTRINA developed at Dartmouth College, UK for the MAC. We want to find a supplier of both these packages but have had no luck. ANy help gratefully received: Robert J Dow University of Birmingham DOWRJ@vax1.bham.ac.uk (E-mail given with INTERNET ordering) ---- --------------------------------- End forwarded message ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1992 11:18:28 EDT From: ronin Subject: cmu midi has there been an update recently to the cmu midi toolkit? specifically, does it now accept midi clock? -----------< Cognitive Dissonance is a 20th Century Art Form >----------- Eric Harnden (Ronin) or The American University Physics Dept. 4400 Mass. Ave. NW, Washington, DC, 20016-8058 (202) 885-2748 ---------------------< Join the Cognitive Dissidents >------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 04:57:39 GMT From: Diarmuid Pigott Subject: Re: cmu midi HARNDEN@AMERICAN.EDU (ronin) writes: : has there been an update recently to the cmu midi toolkit? specifically, : does it now accept midi clock? : I investigate this recently: if you email Roger Dannenberg at CMU directly he'll tell you all about it. The most recent port seems to be ?Jan this year from the .exe stamps. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1992 15:23:42 +1000 From: stevea@VAST.UNSW.EDU.AU Subject: cmusic ports... Hi all, Before I cough up the A$100 to buy a copy of "Elements of Computer Music", I'm wondering if there have been any ports of cmusic from unix to some other operating system for micro's (ie. Apple Mac of MS-DOG). Anyone know? cheers -steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 17:53:20 EDT From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: hard drives and soundfiles (fwd) jberger@alice.music.yale.edu (jonathan berger) writes: > hi bob - glad to see you are pushing ahead with computer music! the > issue with disk drives is not whether they are internal or external > but the access speed. Sound files are scattered around the disk > (that's why Digidesign keeps sufggesting to optimize the disk) and as > it plays the heads are cruising all over the drive. Digidesign has a > list (and actually sells) recommended drives for their products. > > best - jonathan berger > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:34:06 -0400 From: E7M7GRI@TOWSONVX.BITNET Subject: IBM Music Feature card? Does anyone know what software programs will work with an IBM Music Feature Card? Somewhere I heard that the music composing/editing program called FINALE will work with this card. I have recently acquired the card and would like to put it to good use. Any suggestions would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 09:35:49 CDT From: Phantom Tryke <"guinan::kummer"@KIRK.MSOE.EDU> Subject: In search of sound patches for the Yamaha FM chip Greetings: I recently set up my PC with the new Proaudio Spectrum Plus sound board. It uses a 20-voice stereo Yamaha FM chip to generate the board's sound. Accompanying the package was an FM sound editor (4 op control), which I would really like to explore. I was wondering if anyone has come across some patch libraries, or know of a good place to begin my search. I seem to recall that Keyboard magazine used to publish patches for the Yamaha DX7 series -- would these be the same thing? Are there any books published on the subject of sound-shaping? Phantom Tryke, Dreaming of Finland... kummer@kirk.msoe.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:36:12 GMT From: Vesa Valimaki Subject: Interfacing to the MIDI Manager Helsinki, 21.07.1992. Hello, I am working at CARTES (Computer Arts Centre at Espoo, Finland) on computer music applications of digital signal processing. I am using MACL 2.0b1. I would like to use the MIDI Manager services from my own program (reading MIDI data from other applications, mainly). I found the trap definitions in the Library:Interfaces folder, but I could not make them work. I'd need some documentation about the MIDI Manager calls and the meaning of the parameters, and if someone has used the MACL interface, I'd be very thankful, if he shared his experiences with me. Thank you in advance, Bye. Zoltan Janosy CARTES, Finland e-mail: vpv@vipunen.hut.fi (c/o Vesa Valimaki) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:07:06 GMT From: Martin Rootes Subject: Kandinsky Music Painter Dear all, Just seen a review of a rather wacky PD music package in one of the latest UK Atari mags. It's called Kandinsky Music Painter and is aparantly a Grafikorientiertes Musikprogramm (well it is apparently in German). What it does is let you draw shapes on the screen which it then turns into Midi. The examples shown bear great resembelence to graphic notations used by avant garde music composers. Looks really fun. However, the article only gives the Sounds Digital BBS as a source, does anyone know if it is available on any ftp sites? Martin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Rootes - Senior Systems Programmer/Analyst - Sheffield City Polytechnic Email : M.Rootes@scp.ac.uk Disclaimer: Sheffield City Polytechnic has no opinions, the ones above are mine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 09:18:57 EDT From: MRLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET Subject: MsDOS to Mac Converter? Does anyone have or know of a MIDI File converter to convert files between Mac and MS-DOS formats? Also, what about a computer lanq. script to do the same? In any comp. Lanq.(BASIC, PASCAL, C++...etc.). MARC(MRLCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:59:18 EDT From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: MsDOS to Mac Converter? 92 09:18:57 am MRLCC%CUNYVM.BITNET@gibbs.gsfc.nasa.gov writes: > > Does anyone have or know of a MIDI File converter to convert files between > Mac and MS-DOS formats? Also, what about a computer lanq. script to do the > same? In any comp. Lanq.(BASIC, PASCAL, C++...etc.). > > MARC(MRLCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU) > Well, you'll have a hard time getting any documentation out of manufacturers as to their proprietary storage formats; so you can probably rule out translating Cakewalk .WRK files and the like. However, if the sequencers you have in mind are capable of reading and writing standard MIDI files, AND you have access to a mac with a SuperDrive (the one that can write 1.6M disks) AND your PC accespts thhose too, you can use the Mac to translate back and forth between PC and Mac file formats (the Apple File Exchange program, which comes free with the Mac, can do this). You have to set the file type to "Midi" on the Mac, but that's about it. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 18:56:00 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@MCIMAIL.COM> Subject: Converting MAC to PC If you have access to a BBS or public data service like America Online, you can upload files in "Standard Midifile Format" from your Mac and then download them from your PC. You then only need a program on the PC to strip off the usual 4 or 8 byte header that Mac files have on them. The code to do this is very easy and I can even supply an example if necessary. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | _&_ | | / \ | | | | | | | (0)(0) Eric McCormick | | C .---_) | | | |.___| MCI Telecommunications | | | \__/ | | /_____\ 0004775674@MCIMAIL.COM | | /_____/ \ | | / \ | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 11:06:44 GMT From: Vesa Valimaki Subject: Re: MsDOS to Mac Converter? > > Does anyone have or know of a MIDI File converter to convert files between Mac >and MS-DOS formats? Also, what about a computer lanq. script to do the same? >In any comp. Lanq.(BASIC, PASCAL, C++...etc.). > >MARC(MRLCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU) > The way of converting MS-DOS MIDI files to Mac MIDI files: First move the MS-DOS files to the Macintosh by the Apple File Exchange program, then edit the file information with the ResEdit tool. Make sure that the file is not locked before you begin the editing. You don't need to open the file, use the Get File Information menu instead. In the "File type" box write "Midi", and in the "Creator" box for example "MOUP", which stands for the Mark of the Unicorn Performer. Then close the window, and ResEdit will ask if you want to save the file. After that you can read the MIDI file to any sequencing program. I didn't try the reverse direction yet, but probably it works just by moving the file by the File Exchange program to an MS-DOS formatted diskette, because the MS-DOS files do not have any special information field. Zoltan Janosy (h3083jan@ella.uucp) Current address: vpv@vipunen.hut.fi, Helsinki University of Technology, Acoustics Laboratory ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:31:14 EDT From: ronin Subject: musicbox i threw this question up to rec.music.synth the other day, and it belatedly occurs to me that i ought to ask my own group... ever hear of MUSICBOX, a PC-based modular event generator/processor by john (peter?) dunne? i've got version 2, i think, and love it dearly. not having a mac at home, and therefore not being able to work with MAX, this is the closest i've been able to get to the kind of work i used to do with analog, multi-parameter interactive equipment, while remaining in the midi domain (which i must do at home, having no tape deck, either). anyway, i wonder if anyone knows what the last version is. did it ever evolve? did anyone ever extend it as dunne hoped? while on the subject (sort of) i thought i might mention that i've got into this rather odd production groove at home. some time ago i bought a q80 sequencer... it was the right machine - on board disk drive, decent editing, good price... and i've been quite happy with it. then, a couple of weeks ago, i stuffed an old xt in the room, and loaded up a few oddments- various midi processing packages, languages, and cakewalk. and that's been fun. so much so, in fact, that i seriously considered dumping the q80 and finally getting a new percussion sound thingy of some description. but... wait a minute... if i do this motif here and mutate it through this odd note slurring thing i've got going over here... re-record it back and edit... then dump back over here where i can do real neat controller fill stuff, and.. and... well, you get the picture. i've suddenly got more than two competing sequencing packages, i've got a whole new environment. damn. just too much fun. now i can't justify selling the q80 after all, and i'll just have to come up with the drumsound money some other way. the point of all of which is that i keep re-learning the same thing. no tool is the tool. interestingness, for me, lies in the breaking down and reassembling of engineered purposes in things. when something (a musical phrase, a tonal event) can be removed from its original context, and is looked at another way... when inspirations and experiments that draw on multiple thought processes and techniques can be combined... then i'm having fun. -----------< Cognitive Dissonance is a 20th Century Art Form >----------- Eric Harnden (Ronin) or The American University Physics Dept. 4400 Mass. Ave. NW, Washington, DC, 20016-8058 (202) 885-2748 ---------------------< Join the Cognitive Dissidents >------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:18:37 EDT From: metlay Subject: Re: musicbox > the point of all of which is that i > keep re-learning the same thing. no tool is the tool. interestingness, for me, > lies in the breaking down and reassembling of engineered purposes in things. Truer words were never spoken. I wish I could take this advice.... -- mike metlay (phud, no less) metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:56:12 MET From: Doumen Jan Subject: Soft for DS-8 Is there a software available for a Yamaha DS-8 for Mac computers ? Can someone mail me a list of ftp-sites where I can find public domain softs for the Mac (As concerns music ofcourse) Thanks in advance. DeJean; please mail to me directly since I am not subscribed to the list. -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 12:27:00 EDT From: ronin Subject: Re: was:Please help:Now-Cakewalk/Kawai MIDI note #'s i suppose the question is where each scaling scheme starts. midi's c0 is not the same as a grand piano's c0... it's got about a three octave extension, distributed to either side. i suspect that the two octave offset results from one system counting zero as midi 00, and another counting it as piano 0, which would be midi 24 (or 18 hex). -----------< Cognitive Dissonance is a 20th Century Art Form >----------- Eric Harnden (Ronin) or The American University Physics Dept. 4400 Mass. Ave. NW, Washington, DC, 20016-8058 (202) 885-2748 ---------------------< Join the Cognitive Dissidents >------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 11:23:06 GMT From: Vesa Valimaki Subject: Where to get MIDI files? Hello, Once I saw a mail asking for FTP sites where one can download MIDI files. I didn't see the answer, if there was any. If someone knows such address, please let me know as well. I found some Cakewalk files on the NIC@FUNET.FI public domain server, but I don't have Cakewalk. By the way, is there any public domain software that can convert song files of different formats ? If yes, how can I get one ? Thanks, Zoltan Janosy, h3083jan@ella.uucp Current address (redirected to): vpv@vipunen.hut.fi Helsinki University of Technology, Acoustics Laboratory ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 02:37:20 -0600 From: Thunder-Thumbs Subject: Win 3.1/Roland SCC-1/Finale/WinCake Pro PROBLEM Ok, the subject line shows the equipment I have. Basically my problem is that whenever I use Finale to play back some music through the soundcard, and then I quit, Cakewalk Pro won't work. No sounds come out. I start windows in standard mode (win/s) so I can do Finale (although I'm not even sure if that's necessary since the 3.1 upgrade), and if I start cakewalk first, things are fine. I close, and then move to finale, and that works great too. It's just when I go back to cakewalk that it doesn't work. I have to run the stupid SCC-1 utility in order to get things running again, and that's a pain. Here are the win3.1 drivers I am using: MIDI Mapper PAS Wave/MIDI/Aux (don't ask me why, windows screams when I try to rm it) Roland MPU-401 Sound Driver for PC-Speaker Timer [MCI] MIDI Sequencer [MCI] Mixer Control [MCI] Sound I don't know what the last few are for. I've also tried with the TwelveTones mpu-401 driver that came with cakewalk and I got the same result. I've even tried running windows in non-standard mode but that makes the scc utility think I have two cards installed in the same slot and I have to reboot. ???? Can someone please help me? Am I doing something obviously wrong? Should I be using the Midi Mapper as my output instead of the 401? I tried customizing my own scc1 definitions in the mapper but the mapper seems screwed up somehow. I'd *really* appreciate any help anyone can give me. As long as we're on the subject, does anyone know if it's currently possible to run Finale and Cakewalk at the same time? I tried and the music that came back through my headphones sounded like chipmunks being destroyed by machine guns. Curt Siffert ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************