EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 49, Issue 04 This issue's topics: Meters and Tempi (7 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 11:17:50 GMT From: Hendrik Jan Veenstra Subject: Re: Meters and Tempi Nick Rothwell writes: >I moved everything by 48 beats (that was my guess at the right answer). It >has moved everything along 16 bars, including the 4/4 and 7/4 sections. I'm >just about to play it back to see if everything lines up, but my mental >logic tells me it shouldn't; and yet all the offsets are right compared to >the original sequence file. I'm sure this makes some kind of sense, but I >certainly can't see it right at this moment. Can someone enlighten me as to >what I've actually just done? To be honest, I don't quite see the problem. Apparently you removed 48 beats from all the tracks -- including the conductor-track, and so indeed everything's lined up properly, as it should be. I don't know Performer, but I often do this kind of stuff in my sequencer -- and if it did *not* work out right, I would send a complaint to the manufacturer... With work like this, you should just forget about the meter- and tempo- changes and pretend that everything's in .e.g. plain 4/4. It's nonsense of course, but I need this silly mental trick in order not to get confused. What happens is this: music X**X**X**X**X******X******X******X******X***X***X (just lots of notes :) | | | | | | | | | | | conductor This is a piece moving from 3/4 to 7/4 to 4/4. Now you remove the middle 2 of the 7/4 measures on both the music- and the conductor-track, giving: X**X**X**X**X******//X******X***X***X | | | | | //| | | | The // is just meant to signal the location where stuff has been removed and should actually be left out of course :) As you can see, things line up alright, as was to be expected. Or didn't I get the point of your question...? -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra hjv@phil.ruu.nl * How can I save my dreams Dept. of Philosophy * in the nightmare, in the flood University of Utrecht * But I try. The Netherlands * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 00:00:24 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Meters and Tempi >Yes, but I love you anyway. Well, it's nice that someone does. (Things are a bit fraught right now: performance deadlines plus some more emotional flack from the Edinburgh dance scene...) >You removed 16 bars from a piece. You said you had to remove 16 bars, >which in 3/4 is 48 beats, and so you did. You moved everything to fill >the gap, and it did. I don't see what's so confusing The fact that... >(I'm unconvinced that >the Graphic Chunk Editing of Performer is that much of a help Ah, that's it: you've put your finger on it. If it's just a case of snipping out 16 bars (or 48 beats) from a conductor track, then everything will move and that's fine. The problem is that, in Performer, the chunks are laid out in a separate graphical window. So, snip the data from the conductor track and all of a sudden the bar/beat limits on the following chunks all move around because the conductor information has moved but the chunks *haven't*. The chunks then have to be moved afterwards, and (as I've now figured out) this has to be done by beat, not bar. Must go: more dance stuff, Glasgow this time (warmer welcome I hope...). Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 09:09:41 EST From: James R Black Subject: Re: Meters and Tempi > > >(I'm unconvinced that > >the Graphic Chunk Editing of Performer is that much of a help > > Ah, that's it: you've put your finger on it. If it's just a case of > snipping out 16 bars (or 48 beats) from a conductor track, then everything > will move and that's fine. The problem is that, in Performer, the chunks > are laid out in a separate graphical window. So, snip the data from the > conductor track and all of a sudden the bar/beat limits on the following > chunks all move around because the conductor information has moved but the > chunks *haven't*. The chunks then have to be moved afterwards, and (as I've > now figured out) this has to be done by beat, not bar. Oh, if you think you're having fun with chunking now, get version 4.1. They're are some real surprises in store for you. BUT, MOTU Tech Support swears there has been no bugs found in the latest and greatest. I guess system crashes don't count. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:34:06 EST From: Mark Subject: Re: Meters and Tempi Uh-oh. James R. Black's recent posting issued an ominous warning to all of us who are thinking of blowing more $$ on an upgrade to Performer 4.1. What hidden terrors are in store for us if we grab the bait? --Mark Simon tip@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:24:52 EST From: James R Black Subject: Re: Meters and Tempi > James R. Black's recent posting issued an ominous warning to all of us > who are thinking of blowing more $$ on an upgrade to Performer 4.1. What hidden > terrors are in store for us if we grab the bait? Unisyn seems to work fine, so far. If you ever wasted time trying to Get A Bulk Dump via MIDI Configuration, this is gone. Unisyn strangely enough, seems to be REAL similar to Dr. T's Ed/Lib - so similar that I wonder if some/all of the code is Dr. T's. The problem I've had w/ Performer 4.1 concerns corruption of imported v.4.01 files. Nothing major :-), it's just when I try to open a play-enabled song, it crashes. I take it out of play mode and it opens just fine. Tech Support recommended rebuilding the songs using a new empty song and importing just the seq Chunks via Load. They say the song files are corrupted. Gee, imagine that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 18:10:30 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Meters and Tempi > Oh, if you think you're having fun with chunking now, get version >4.1. They're are some real surprises in store for you. I have 4.02 at present, I think (hang on, he says, firing up the other PowerBook...). 4.01 was extremely buggy. 4.02 doesn't hold any particular surprises; just some things broken since 3.x, like slider chasing. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 19:45:32 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Meters and Tempi > Unisyn seems to work fine, so far. If you ever wasted time trying >to Get A Bulk Dump via MIDI Configuration, this is gone. Hmm. I have yet to be convinced; there's a lot of weird gear out there (or for that matter, across the room from me this instant). Notice that Unisyn purports to support every machine in the entire Universe ... except the MKS-70. Performer 4.01 has known problems importing saved files. Go for 4.02; I'm using it now and it's fine. By the way, this is SYNTH-L talk, not EMUSIC-L. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************