EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 52, Issue 12 This issue's topics: Combining processed signals to Y connector Digidesign Studio 8 (2 messages) DX-7, The Original Synth FTP email servers Info needed Is Notator better than Cubase? Kurzweil K2000 MIDI-Smalltalk, MIDI-Lisp, Musical Database ... Need info on patches Patch Categorization Approaches Re: Patch Categorization Approaches Request for help Resonant filters for the EPS16+/ASR-10 crowd Roland D70 Question SCORE -> SMF Sync-box (2 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 13:05:02 EDT From: "JMAGUIRE@ERS.BITNET" Subject: Combining processed signals to Y connector Hello all, This is a question regarding combining signals from different signal processors into a single input of an amplifier. I hope this is the right forum for this question. I'm thinking of taking a signal from a wireless receiver and feeding it into the common input of a passive A/B box. Output A would be fed to the input of a DBX compressor, and output B would be fed to the input of a digital effects unit. I would then take the outputs of both units and connect them, via a Y connector, to a single input of an amplifier. If I do this, will the signal from one processor go through the Y connector and interfere with the other processor's electronics? Can I damage equipment this way? If so, what would be the least expensive alternative? Is there some kind of simple circuit I can make with diodes? My goal is to be able to use one effect, or the other at any given time. I would like to have the choice between a clean, heavly compressed signal, or a chorused signal with no compression (more dynamic range). The problem is the DBX compressor has no bypass, or on/off switch. I could buy a cheap compression pedal, but I would hate to have to do that since I already have a rack mount compressor collecting dust. BTW, this setup if for a Bass guitar. Any advise would be appreciated Thanks, John Maguire JMAGUIRE@ERS.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 13:51:05 LCL From: Sten E Severson Subject: Digidesign Studio 8 I just saw the ad for this Studio 8 thing in the June Keyboard. I called the 800 number and that said that they unit was only available (?) for IBM and compatibles, despite the ads claim to the contrary. I've been half looking around for a digital stuido setup that could be used by multiple people without repatching, level-readjusting between sessions. Unless I'm greatly mistaken that is what this beast can do, just save a setup on disk and come back to it anytime. If anyone has any info on this, I'd like to hear it. Thanks, Sten Severson sseverso@hermes.gac.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 15:39:05 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Digidesign Studio 8 > I just saw the ad for this Studio 8 thing in the June Keyboard. I called > the 800 number and that said that they unit was only available (?) for IBM > and compatibles, despite the ads claim to the contrary. I've been half > looking around for a digital stuido setup that could be used by multiple > people without repatching, level-readjusting between sessions. Unless I'm > greatly mistaken that is what this beast can do, just save a setup on disk > and come back to it anytime. If anyone has any info on this, I'd like to > hear it. > > Thanks, > Sten Severson > sseverso@hermes.gac.edu As i understand it the Mac version is supposed to come out later this year. The Session eight is two track digital in, eight out and can also control virtual tracks such as Midi equipment.. Arne F. Claassen claassen@ebs330.eb.uah.edu psycho@io.uah.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 10:40:01 -0500 From: "David C. Bloom" Subject: DX-7, The Original Synth Anyone hear of bootleg ROMs for the original [paleolithic] Yamaha DX-7 FM synth? They're supposed to allow the keyboard splits and fancy MIDI capabilities found on the DX-7-II [but won't clean up the noisy D/A's]. I'm looking for the new firmware. Any help would be appreciated. __deedot <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> david c. bloom <> <> <> open networks engineering, inc. <> "The first false assumption <> <> 777 e. eisenhower pkwy, ste 650 <> that underlies the scheduling <> <> ann arbor, michigan 48108 <> of systems programming <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> is that all will go well." <> <> net dcb@one.com <> \ \ <> __Frederick P. Brooks Jr. <> <> vox 313.996.9900 <> 0-0 <> The Mythical Man-Month <> <> fax 313.996.9908 <> . <> <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 10:57:10 -0400 From: Chris Gray Subject: FTP email servers One of my colleagues who, like me, has email but no ftp has been asking me where he can find an email ftp server via which he can download stuff for the Gravis Ultrasound card. I'm sure I've seen email servers mentioned on this list, but leafing through my 1003 saved items I can't find one on this subject - help anybody? Chris cgra@se.alcbel.be 100065.2102@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 17:47:45 EDT From: Doug Walker Subject: Info needed I need to know where I can get some special chips for my Sound Accelerator Board. I need them to run some Mac II software from IRCAM. The chips are made by Cypress, and I need 3 CYC198-45PC and 3 CYC199-45PC ICs Can someone help me out with this problem? Much obliged. Doug Walker ncf.sigs.new.music ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 11:21:57 -0400 From: Chris Gray Subject: Is Notator better than Cubase? When my Falcon arrives , one of the first things I intend to do is to get a serious sequencer package to replace the ragbag of shareware, demoware, and budgetware I've been using up to now. The obvious choice seems to be Cubase, but if anyone wants to persuade me to get Notator (or anything else) then they are hereby invited to try. Someone will of course say "depends on what you want to do", so... I am basically a solitary doodler, with limited keyboard skills and a classical music education (no post-literary pretensions), used to consider myself a composer but that was 15 years ago before I discovered the concept "day job". I have seen Notator described as a composer's sequencer and Cubase as a musician's(*). I also once read a reference to a gadget which enables Notator to follow _your_ beat, instead of the other way around. What kind of music do I try to create? Varies, my tastes are _very_ eclectic. Some of my first efforts were very heavy on the repeat button and the 1/16 quantise; lately I've been trying to work much more "freehand", even doubling parts by hand - sounds not only more human but "fuller" too. Harmonies very straightforward up to now, but that too may suddenly change. :> -- (*) Of course composers are musicians too, or should be. If I were writing in Dutch (which thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would use the musicus/musikant distinction here. __________________________________________________________________________ Chris Gray cgra@se.alcbel.be Compu$erve: 100065.2102 __________________________________________________________________________ A closed mouth catches no feet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 13:45:45 +0800 From: _ Subject: Kurzweil K2000 Kurzweil K2000 Hi all! All the hype about the K2000/ASR-10/TS-10 since to have died down a little bit.... Well, I won't add to it. Just that after so much hoopla, I'm still confused about the basic functions of the K2000. I've got the specs from the archive...but it didn't mention any sequencing capabilities. Is there any on-board sequencer on the K2000? Is so, what is the no. of tracks and the ppq? Also, there was mention of the K2000 being able to read Akai and Roland samples. Keyboard mag says the basic K2000 can read Akai S1000/1100 sample disks but with t he Ver 2.0 o.s. , it can even read the sample disks of Akai,Ensonique and Roland sample disks. Did I intepret correctly? Or it will read MIDI sample dumps (not the sample disks)? Or both? Is so, is there any serious complications or SNAFU in so doing? The specs also says the o.s. is MS-DOS compatible???? I would really appreciate any response to my query. I'm thinking of getting one instead of the ASR-10.... BTW, Kurzweil announced the release of the sampling keyboard version of the K2000. Any idea on the retail price? Thank You!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * I am : Andy Chia Poh Hwa * * o I'm from the : National University of Singapore * * Please call me at E-MAIL : <<<< eng30017@nusunix.nus.sg >>>> * * o o * * \ o / "because imagination is more important * * \_____/ than knowledge." Albert Einstein * * \___/ * * | LIVE LIFE ! ! ! * * ----- * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 13:18:45 -0400 From: Joe McMahon Subject: MIDI-Smalltalk, MIDI-Lisp, Musical Database ... >Date: Thu, 13 May 93 14:47:29 +0200 >From: ramalho@laforia.ibp.fr (RAMALHO Geber 40.43.79.45 equipe Ganascia) >Subject: MIDI-Smalltalk, MIDI-Lisp, Musical Database ... >Hello, > >We are currently setting up a research team in Paris 6 University >on AI models for Musical composition. We have two basic questions... > >1) We are looking for a MIDI-Smalltalk (or MIDI-Lisp) environments. > We know that a lot of research teams do use Smalltalk-based MIDI > environments (at least the Kapy bara, Pope's system at Stanford > and so on). > >Does any one of you know where I can get info on this kind >of environment ? (on which platforms does it run and so on ...) > >2) We are trying to use a musical memory in our system, i.e., songs, > improvisations, arragements, bass lines ... in the jazz-related > styles. > >Does anybody knows a database (accessed by ftp) of musical pieces in a >symbolic format (DARMS, MIDI, ...)? > >Regards, > >Geber > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Geber RAMALHO >LAFORIA-CNRS >Universite' Paris VI >Tour 46-00, 2eme Etage Tel. (33) 1 44 27 70 10 >4, Place Jussieu Fax: (33) 1 44 27 70 00 >75252 Paris CEDEX 05 FRANCE e-mail: ramalho@laforia.ibp.fr >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 19:04:52 -0700 From: Art Lowery Subject: Re: Need info on patches Ucsd ftp is: ucsd.edu /midi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 10:47:48 -0400 From: Jon Crystal Subject: Patch Categorization Approaches A query for those who use universal librarians or their own systems which include the capability to define/organize synth patches with keywords or similar structures: What favorite approaches have you implemented/discovered that work for the hierarchical organization of such systems? (The highest level being one of "piano" vs. "percussion" families seems a waste to me) Any comments on useful terminology for these purposes (i.e. "evolving", "evocative", "sharp")? Any examples of regrets for not having taken a different approach up front while establishing such a library? I'm a new user of Unisyn (best compromise because its the only one with editors for all my modules), and less than satisfied with the keyword structure it comes with. That structure is editable, so modifications are easy enough...or should I follow Nick's advice from other realms and simply wipe out the "factory data"? Jon Crystal University of Vermont 357 Waterman Burlington, VT 05405 email: jcrystal@moose.uvm.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 07:34:20 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Patch Categorization Approaches >What favorite approaches have you implemented/discovered that work for the >hierarchical organization of such systems? I group patches by recording/performance project. It's much easier to remember that the looped sampled Turkish flute was in the VESTRIS/Dance City Newcastle performance than that it's tuned/monophonic/acoustic/whatever. >I'm a new user of Unisyn (best compromise because its the only one with >editors for all my modules), and less than satisfied with the keyword >structure it comes with. Unisyn does not do a good job at all when it comes to librarian functionality for any device which is remotely complicated: you cannot cut/copy/paste Wavestation performances (for example) without your patch zones arriving in New York while the effects configurations are en-route to Singapore. Given this inadequacy, keyword choice is a minor concern. (To be fair, the WS is a complex beast in terms of data storage, and I don't know of any librarians which get it totally right. I'm planning to do my own in MAX; Unisyn has taught me that the only way to get a system which works in a way that's useful comfortable is to do it oneself.) Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 13:37:19 GMT From: Barry McDuling Subject: Request for help Hi there. I have just started on a project to take MIDI information, either as an input file of the form .mid, or as raw input from a MIDI interface, and convert this to printable sheet music. If anybody has any information regarding the MIDI protocol, and/or where I can get this information (ie. what all the control codes are, etc...) please email me at: dmcdulin@cs.uct.ac.za I will unfortunately not have access to news between 31 May and 25 July, so please email me! Absolutely any information will be appreciated, thanks. (I'm doing this as a project for computer science, my major project for the year, if anybody is interested...) Thanks again. Barry -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | "Work" is a four letter word. (as is "wash","swot", etc...) | | And "DOS" *SHOULD* be a four-letter word! | | Email and other ramblings to: dmcdulin@cs.uct.ac.za | | | | Sorry people: I'm unavailable nowadays... got engaged. :-) | |__________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 09:50:25 -0400 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Resonant filters for the EPS16+/ASR-10 crowd In this month's Transoniq Hacker, there is a quick review of a new product by WAVeBOY (yes, that's how they spell it) which provides resonant filtering for the ASR-10 and the EPS16+. Effects bus 1 is converted into a 4-pole low-pass filter coupled to an attack-delay-sustain-release envelope generator. The second bus is still available for reveb and chorus, and can be used in parallel to process other sounds or in series to further process the output of bus 1. The ADSR has single and multiple-trigger modes, keyboard tracking and programmable modulation of the filter cutoff. There is also a simulated sample-and-hold to randomly jump the filter cutoff around. As if this wasn't enough fun, a second new effect algorithm is ... FM. Yep, you may frequency modulate and sample with any other sample. Yow. Unfortunately, you can't get the resonant filter at the same time, but hey. I suppose you could record your favorite FM noises onto DAT and then resample them, running them through the resonant filter on the second pass. The cost? $39.95 direct from WAVeBOY Industries, P.O. Box 233, Paoli, PA 19301 (phone (215) 251-9562). I have no association with these folks, nor do I even own an EPS16+ or ASR-10. I just admire innovation, and love resonant filters. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 14:44:46 -0700 From: Jason Yang Subject: Re: Roland D70 Question In article <93111.160512K3067E0@ALIJKU11.BITNET> writes: >Yesterday I fooled around with my Roland D70 synth trying to hold >some user interface keys while switching it on. >For example if you press key "5" when powering on you get a menu >for doing a MIDI dump or receive of the whole user memory. >(Maybe anyone knows all the special functions that I can get when >pressing some keys when powering on, e.g. I know that you can get >the ROM- version, but I do not know which key I have to press to do that) > >Thank you very much| Does anyone have any further information regarding these power-on keys for the Roland D-70? If the originator of this article or anyone else has futher information, could they please post/email it? Thanks! - Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 14:43:47 EDT From: JASON VANTOMME Subject: SCORE -> SMF I think this came from a posting quite a long time ago on this list and I was just wondering if the program was still around. I searched through both of the mentioned sites and can't seem to find anything. Can anybody help? > The program is called Scoremid and it can handle up to 16 > staves with multiple voices on each single staff. It > recognizes clef-changes time-signaturen and > cross-staff- beamed voices. A trial version of Scoremid > with limited features is available via anonymous ftp in > ucsd.edu and louie.udel.edu. Thanks, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jason D. Vantomme Faculty of Music, McGill University Montreal, PQ CANADA email: vantomme@music.mcgill.ca =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 13:27:24 EDT From: wbf@ALUXPO.ATT.COM Subject: Re: Sync-box Hola Juan, Does your MPU have tape in and out jacks on it? If so, you already have FSK capability built in to allow you to sync your MIDI sequences to tape. If not, something like J. L. Cooper's PPS sync box with "Smart FSK" will do the job. With smart FSK or SMPTE, you'll gain the convenience of having your sequencer "chase" the tape, allowing you to start anywhere, even in the middle of a song. Otherwise, with regular FSK, you have to rewind the tape to the beginning of the song every time you want to start the sequencer. Isn't this a SYNTH-L topic? Are you getting SYNTH-L? Bill "Guillermo" Fox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 16:46:36 HOE From: "Juan P. Cerezo" Subject: Sync-box Just a fast question for the MIDI-kahunas out there: Could you give me some info about what kind of devices could be used to synchronize a non-MIDI multitrack recorder (Tascam Porta-One) to a MIDI setup (IBMPC+MPU+CakeWalk4Windows). Tha main goal is to have all the rythmn stuff (percussion + bass lines) on MIDI-format, and use the analog tracks on the multitrack for the analog music lines (as you could easily guess..). In some places I've heard about "sync-boxes" for this purpose. What's true in all this stuff ?? Many thanx in advance. +------------------------------------------------"""""""---------+ |Juan P. Cerezo Mart\'{\i}n <- YEAH( Is TeX -- -- | |Systems and Networking Staff O O | |IBM Multimedia Technology Institute and U | | Knwoledge Engineering Institute (IIC) ___ | | U | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Bitnet: JUAMPE@EMDCCI11.BITNET InterNet: juampe@iic.uam.es voice: +34-1-397 9209 fax: : +34-1-735 1440 snail-mail: Instituto Tecnologia Multimedia IBM Sta. Hortensia 26-28 28002 MAD (SPAIN) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 14:34:03 EDT From: wbf@ALUXPO.ATT.COM Subject: Y Connector John Maguire asked about connecting outputs together. My advice is to NEVER connect two or more outputs DIRECTLY together. At the very least, use a passive mixer. Cheap and dirty! in1 o------/\/\/\-------+ 1k | +----------o output | in2 o------/\/\/\-------+ 1k Feed your devices' outputs to the inputs of the mixer. If their output impedences are low enough and the input impedence of the device being fed the passive mixer's output is high enough, I don't think that 1k ohm resistors will load things down noticably. If so, reduce the resistors' value. Be warned that both devices quiescent noise will be summed even if you're only using one device at a time. Since you already have an A/B box that I'm assuming is switchable, why not use that to select one device's output at a time to be fed to your bass amp? Then it becomes a simple situation of feeding your receiver's output through a Radio Shack Y connector to the inputs of the compressor and the effects unit. Nothing wrong with that, no passive mixer required, and quieter as the unused output isn't feeding its self-noise to your amp. Bill Fox ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************