EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 53, Issue 08 This issue's topics: FAVES,etc... (2 messages) My own list of faves (not) (5 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 07:25:14 EDT From: Ilia Subject: Re: FAVES,etc... Ilia writes..... > I dunno, I seem to have a problem with this attitude. I think when >we develop our musical tastes we grow up as listeners, i.e. we learn to >differentiate what we hear. I don't understand how you can trigger your >thinking on and off--when I hear Madonna's music, it (or most of it) >annoys me tremendously. It probably wouldn't have, if I were able to >turn off the region of my brain responsible for analysis; but I can't >(not without significant chemical intrusion :-), and so I'm bound to >suffer. > Another part of this problem is the tendency of artistically >inclined people to identify themselves with their favorite artists >and/or works of art. Mind you, I am able to enjoy books that >convey the ideas that I disagree with, or music written in a style that >I generally do not admire. However, I am more inclined to enjoy the >works where intellectual process behind the creation has some relevancy >to my own mind set. If you can enjoy such polar things as Madonna's >toonz and, say, Stravinski's music and still retain your integrity, >then. . . well, then I envy you. > Ilia. I find it interesting that my friend's sister made a coment this weekend which could be applied to the above. She said, "It must be terrible to be a musician and allways analyze music, instead of just enjoying it." She was refering to her brother a good friend of mine. The more I thought about it the more I had to agree with her statement. Every time we go out to a bar or club we always pick apart the songs and point out its good and bad qualities. He has a stronger background in music therory and tends to be more critical. I find that if I go out with other friends of mine who are not musicians I can just enjoy listening to the music and have a good time. Maybe ignorance is bliss. : -) Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 08:43:57 -0400 From: idealord Subject: Re: FAVES,etc... > I find it interesting that my friend's sister made a coment this weekend > which could be applied to the above. She said, "It must be terrible > to be a musician and allways analyze music, instead of just enjoying > it." She was refering to her brother a good friend of mine. The more > I thought about it the more I had to agree with her statement. Every > time we go out to a bar or club we always pick apart the songs and > point out its good and bad qualities. He has a stronger background in > music therory and tends to be more critical. I find that if I go out > with other friends of mine who are not musicians I can just enjoy > listening to the music and have a good time. Maybe ignorance is bliss. : -) > > Sean > Sounds like confusing the finger with the moon... Seems like you could just turn off the analysis for a while if you really tried, how do you compose or improvise without this noise getting in the way? Back from Disneyland and 7,000 nurses... Jeff Harrington idealord@dorsai.dorsai.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 11:26:21 -0400 From: Chris Gray Subject: Re: My own list of faves (not) A belated postscript: > I'm tempted to list a bunch of anti-faves, records that influenced me by > example of how NOT to work, but so many of them are academic I'd be accused > of starting another flame war. > -- > mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Team Metlay's BANDWIDTH is now out on Compact Disc! Email me for details.. Is there anyone who _doesn't_ agree with me that Herbie Hancock's "Future Shock" is absolutely the Awful Example of what _not_ to do? If so they're welcome to my copy... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 12:03:59 EDT From: Brian Good Subject: Re: My own list of faves (not) Chris Gray writes: > Is there anyone who _doesn't_ agree with me that Herbie Hancock's "Future > Shock" is absolutely the Awful Example of what _not_ to do? If so they're > welcome to my copy... Blechh. You've put me off my lunch. Fortunately I *heard* Futile Schlock before I'd squandered any money on it. Very disappointing; I'd really enjoyed some of his earlier electronic stuff. One piece ("Rain Dance" from his "Sextant" album, I think) really got me thinking about the possibilities in electronic jazz, and sent me scurrying to the music store to find out what this synthesizer stuff was really all about. I lost interest *real* fast when I found out how little polyphony a student's part- time job salary would buy. Hancock *did* do some interesting things in his post-Miles, pre-record-scratching days. brian good ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 09:36:06 PDT From: metlay Subject: Re: My own list of faves (not) Brian Good: >Chris Gray writes: > >> Is there anyone who _doesn't_ agree with me that Herbie Hancock's "Future >> Shock" is absolutely the Awful Example of what _not_ to do? If so they're >> welcome to my copy... > >Blechh. You've put me off my lunch. Oh, come now. There are two or three minutes somewhere near the beginning of "Autodrive" that are actually quite listenable. That's not as poor a ratio as Cybotron's first album "Enter." It's astonishing that Juan Atkins has become the king of Detroit Techno after such a revolting start. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Team Metlay's BANDWIDTH is now out on Compact Disc! Email me for details... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 23:39:55 EDT From: The Radio Gnome Subject: Re: My own list of faves (not) On Thu, 3 Jun 1993 09:36:06 PDT metlay said: > >Oh, come now. There are two or three minutes somewhere near the beginning >of "Autodrive" that are actually quite listenable. That's not as poor a >ratio as Cybotron's first album "Enter." It's astonishing that Juan Atkins >has become the king of Detroit Techno after such a revolting start. Are we talking about the same "Cybotron"? I have their debut (on the rare Crypto label out of France) and its excellent! It has a painting of some kind of wierd hybrid catlike animal on the cover. They also have two later, less spacey releases, Collossus and Implosion. If Enter is by the same Australian band, then its their fourth, not their first. Andy Wing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 22:03:18 PDT From: metlay Subject: Re: My own list of faves (not) > >On Thu, 3 Jun 1993 09:36:06 PDT metlay said: >> >>Oh, come now. There are two or three minutes somewhere near the beginning >>of "Autodrive" that are actually quite listenable. That's not as poor a >>ratio as Cybotron's first album "Enter." It's astonishing that Juan Atkins >>has become the king of Detroit Techno after such a revolting start. > > Are we talking about the same "Cybotron"? I have their debut (on the >rare Crypto label out of France) and its excellent! It has a painting of >some kind of wierd hybrid catlike animal on the cover. They also have two >later, less spacey releases, Collossus and Implosion. If Enter is by the >same Australian band, then its their fourth, not their first. Not the same band. Cybotron came out of Detroit, and tried to do a weird sort of Americanized machine funk almost like a rap/urban Gary Numan or Kraftwerk vibe. Juan Atkins went on to become detroit's hottest DJ and one of the godfathers of techno. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Team Metlay's BANDWIDTH is now out on Compact Disc! Email me for details... ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************