EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 54, Issue 08 This issue's topics: Audio Support for Linux/386/BSD? (2 messages) Cakewalk pro (5 messages) csound for ms-dos Csound sound file output on a PC PC/MIDI (5 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 09:43:57 MEZ From: Thomas Neuhaus Subject: Audio Support for Linux/386/BSD? Dear fellow emusicians, I'm considering to migrate from my old Atari-based equipment to some 486 machine running Linux or 386BSD. I also want to incorporate (beside an obligatory MIDI-card) a D/D-converter which has S/PDIF I/O (no analogue circuitry inside the computer!) As the manufacturers of this card do not support these OSs I will have to write my own drivers. I'm not a UN*X-wizard so if someone out there has some experience with Linux or 386BSD and could help me with the following questions s/he would make me quite happy. 1.: Is there (and if yes, where is) any audio-device driver available in source-code that could serve as a template to be adapted for the D/D-card? 2.: Is there a program available that allows for playing/recording soundfiles, preferrably in AIFF format? (again: if yes, where is) 3.: Any MIDI-Sequencers seen for Linux/386BSD? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Thomas +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Neuhaus| "American beer is like making | | Frankfurter Str.16, D-45145 Essen/Germany | love in a canoe -- fu**ing | | Phone 49-201-767748 | close to water" Monthy Python | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 11:13:47 GMT From: Greg Lee Subject: Re: Audio Support for Linux/386/BSD? Thomas Neuhaus (FFH002@VM.HRZ.UNI-ESSEN.DE) wrote: : 3.: Any MIDI-Sequencers seen for Linux/386BSD? There's a midi file playing program -- mp, part of the Adagio distribution for Linux. So far as I know, that's it. A new version of it and of the Linux sound driver will probably be announced on the linux-activists SOUND channel in a week or so. -- Greg Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 09:48:52 -0400 From: Jonathan Black Subject: Cakewalk pro Does anyone know the expected release date of the new version of Cakewalk Pro for Windows? I'm looking for a notation program (just a basic one) and I was wondering how long until the upgrade is available. Thanks, jb (jo_black@acad.lvc.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 18:18:25 -0500 From: Kenneth Wayne Goodson Subject: Re: Cakewalk pro I believe the new update for Cakewalk Pro for Windows is due this fall about the same time as the new update for Finale for Windows. Best Wishes, kennyg (No, not that one) kgoodson@tenet.edu On Thu, 8 Jul 1993, Jonathan Black wrote: > Does anyone know the expected release date of the new version of Cakewalk Pro > for Windows? I'm looking for a notation program (just a basic one) and I was > wondering how long until the upgrade is available. > > Thanks, > > jb (jo_black@acad.lvc.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 16:33:25 -0500 From: Kenneth Wayne Goodson Subject: Re: Cakewalk pro Yes. As I understand it, the new Cakewalk Pro for Windows will have printing capabilities. I don't know to what extent. If you have access to CompuServe, you can do email with the people at 12-tone Systems who write Cakewalk. kennyg (No, not that one!) kgoodson@tenet.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 1993, Simon Weatherill wrote: > Is it supposed to included a notation part? With printing and all? > > > Simon A.T. Weatherill > Senior Network Engineer > > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > + Burlington Coat Factory Voice: (603) 643-2800 + > + Schoolhouse Lane Fax: (603) 643-3945 + > + Etna, NH 03750 Internet: simon.weatherill@coat.com + > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 07:10:07 GMT From: JOEL STERN Subject: Re: CAKEWALK PRO Yes. As I understand it, the new Cakewalk Pro for Windows will have printing capabilities. I don't know to what extent. If you have access to CompuServe, you can do email with the people at 12-tone Systems who write Cakewalk. kennyg (No, not that one!) kgoodson@tenet.edu On Fri, 9 Jul 1993, Simon Weatherill wrote: > Is it supposed to included a notation part? With printing and all? > > > Simon A.T. Weatherill > Senior Network Engineer > > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > + Burlington Coat Factory Voice: (603) 643-2800 + > + Schoolhouse Lane Fax: (603) 643-3945 + > + Etna, NH 03750 Internet: simon.weatherill@coat.com + > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------------------ THIS IS A REPLY TO THE ABOVE MESSAGE SUBJECT OF THE REPLY: REPLY ------------------------------------------ Simon: I saw a fairly thorough description on MIDILink of CW for Windows' new capabilities. Music printing is definately there, with supplied fonts on up to sixteen staves. That's all I remember or was told about printing. The 12tone tech. rep. says release is scheduled for late summer--upgrade from 1.0x will be $49. Joel Stern stern@mail.loc.gov ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 11:13:28 -0400 From: Simon Weatherill Subject: File: "EMUSIC-L LOG9307B" Is it supposed to included a notation part? With printing and all? Simon A.T. Weatherill Senior Network Engineer +---------------------------------------------------------------+ + Burlington Coat Factory Voice: (603) 643-2800 + + Schoolhouse Lane Fax: (603) 643-3945 + + Etna, NH 03750 Internet: simon.weatherill@coat.com + +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 19:16:05 EDT From: cuenta cedida al GUI Subject: csound for ms-dos Hi, people.... I'd like to know if there is a version of csound for MS-DOS or IBM-compatible operating systems like OS/2, Interactive UNIX, MArk Williams Coherent or something like this. Thanks in advance. Luis A. Fuente gui@cpd.uva.es ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1993 17:39:13 GMT From: Hans Strasburger Subject: Csound sound file output on a PC How to play Csound files on a PC Recently, I had posted, both on comp.music and on emusic-l, the question of how to play Csound sound files on a PC. Finally, when I had finished this summary, I found that there is a specialised forum for this, comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard. That forum also covers non-PC specific sound output. I post this summary anyway, since several people have asked for it. But follow up should go there. In my case, the Csound sound files come from a different machine, so I don't necessarily have Csound running on the PC. The question was, as it turned out, the generic question of how to play a raw sound file on a PC that is equipped with some of the better known sound cards. The informa- tion is far from complete, but here is my summary so far. Csound, as is probably well known here, is a public domain sound and music synthesis program written by B. Vercoe at the MIT. It is available in source form for a range of Unix machines, and for the Mac, by ftp from cecelia.media.mit.edu. It is a Unix program, and so are probably many ports to the PC. There are, however, also ports to MsDos. Dos versions for the 386 , 386 & 387 and 486 are available from maths.bath.ac.uk. The MsDos version from the UK site outputs wav format. So there is no play program needed since every commercial sound board has a wav player coming with it. That doesn't help playing Csound sound files coming from a different machine, though. The Csound play program that comes with the Unix version of course requires that you run some Unix derivative. I don't know with which Unix of the PC Csound has been tested. NeXTStep/Intel might be a good candi- date since Csound had been ported to the NeXT, so that version should run under NeXTStep. Since NeXTStep includes the specifications for sound output, that version should not require further porting for the play program. Erik Larson (elarson@msu.edu) pointed out that the educational price for NeXTStep has been announced to be $249. Since I just want to *play* Csound files, I am interested in a solution that will not require Unix. The most general and flexible way is to convert the Csound sound files to a format that is supported by the sound hardware on the PC and then play it with the sound driver which is supplied with that hardware. This might be the .voc or the .wav format. There is a (copyrighted) public domain utility for sound file conversion, called sox, which supports many different sound formats, including Csound's, and runs on a number of platforms (many Unix workstations). On the PC, it compiles under Borland and Microsoft C. It is available from the author, Lance Norskog (thinman@netcom.com) in source form. The Univ. of Padua has let me download a compiled version (soz.zip on ipdunivx.unipd.it)(Roberto, music01@ipdunivx.bitnet, has helped me there). But perhaps it is quite possible to play the Csound file directly on certain cards. Chris4516@delphi.com told me, that "any sound card that has an addressable DSP should be able to accept a raw sound file and play it back. So any card that has a Motorola 560001 or Texas Instru- ments DSP should be able to do this." That would include the Turtle Beach Multisound card and the Anatek sound card. There is a specialised forum for sound output on the PC, named comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard. In that group's FAQ I found mention of fur- ther conversion and player programs. Francis Burton (F.L.Burton@vme.glasgow.ac.uk) of the Univerity of Glas- gow has ported Csound to the PC. His port of the play program supports the Data Translation DT-2801A converter. For those who would like to adapt it to a different sound board, he is probably willing to give his play source code. A search on Archie revealed a promise (1991) by Christopher Penrose (penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu) that he will answer Csound related questions. The promise is contained in a file named csound-FAQ-I-m-sure (you don't need to get the file, there is no actual FAQ in it yet). The search also revealed that on many ftp servers there is a package, called pcsound (that has nothing to do with Csound) that will play a number of sound formats on the PC's built-in speaker. Hans Strasburger Inst. f. Med. Psychology, Univ. of Munich Computer Music Studio CMRS, Salzburg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 17:16:13 -0400 From: "Jack Skalon (via RadioMail)" Subject: PC/MIDI I have been away from the Midi scene for awhile. What is a decent interface and sequencing program that won't cost me my first born? (this would be on a PC clone) I used to use Dr. T on the Amiga, Hybrid Arts stuff on the Atari ST, and Syntech on the C64, but never had a PC midi set-up. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 09:39:00 EDT From: John Rossi III Subject: Re: PC/MIDI I have found CakeWalk for Windows to be a very effective sequencing program. Not to start a computer war here, but as it matures Windows is proving to be quite the environment for music applications. Granted, the user interface still isn't as intuitive as most people feel the Mac is, but with the standardization which Windows has brought to the PC platform (e.g., drivers for video, easy implementation of independent device drivers like MIDI and other instrumentation), I believe that by the time we get to a real world version of NT the Windows environment will satisfy just about all its current critics. Anyway, to answer your question... Go with something which runs under Windows 3.1. I think that WinCake is the best bet, but its amazing how much you can accomplish with some $30 programs like Power Tracks from Peter Gagnon Software, Trax from Passport, or even a couple of public domain Windows sequencers I have seen floating about. The reason I recommend adopting a Windows environment is because of the MIDI device driver standardization. Once you have a MIDI device driver installed (they are supplied by the hardware people, BTW), it can be used by any Windows program. Implementing DDE and even OLE, you can do some remarkably powerful things with relatively cheap software. Many of the things can not even be approximated on a Mac. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 09:44:14 -0400 From: "Jack Skalon (via RadioMail)" Subject: Re: PC/MIDI thanks for the info John.... Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 15:06:36 LCL From: "Philip A. Cody" Subject: Re: PC/MIDI Jack Skalon writes: >I have been away from the Midi scene for awhile. What is a decent >interface and sequencing program that won't cost me my first born? >(this would be on a PC clone) >I used to use Dr. T on the Amiga, Hybrid Arts stuff on the Atari ST, and >Syntech on the C64, but never had a PC midi set-up. Any suggestions would >be appreciated. >Jack > I use a MusicQuest MQX 32M which has 2 MIDI outs and 2 merged MIDI ins. It's MusicQuest's top of the line but they make MIDI interfaces in all price ranges. They give good support and their products are MPU-401 compatible. You can contact them for more info at 214-881-7408. I've been using Cakewalk pro since I started using PCs. There are, however, a lot of sequencers on the market . . . so you have a range of choices. It all really depends on what your needs are and how sophisticated you want to get. Philip Cody - Eugene, OR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 11:26:21 +0100 From: H6228SIP@HUELLA.BITNET Subject: Re: PC/MIDI to Jack Skalon about the PC/MIDI hardware I think that the best PC MIDI interface for you is the Voyetra V-22, or the V-22m. Why ? Because the Voyetra had a good idea: if you want to begin with a not too serious but cheap interface, you can buy the V-22 (it has two independent or merged MIDI in, and two MIDI out). If the MPU-compatibility is necessary, you can expand the same V-22 card with a small circuit (which contains the Roland MPU chipset), and the card will work with any program (the card type in that case is V-22m). Later, if your needs will increase, you can expand the card also with another circuit (it contains the SMPTE logic -generator and reader-, and MIDI driver for two another MIDI outs). That will be the V-24sm card, with two inputs, and four independent outputs (64 MIDI channels) with SMPTE. I know only one drawback: the Voyetra card will not generate and read FSK with the Cakewalk sequencer, but I think it's no problem, because the SMPTE much more better than the FSK. Attila Sipos h6228sip@ella.hu Debrecen, Hungary ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************