EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 54, Issue 12 This issue's topics: Bohlen-Pierce Scale in SY77/99 Sysex Format Available C (5 messages) Cubase Finale 3.0 (3 messages) Mac Notation advice Mac PostScript to DOS MIDI file spec Midi music file transfer MOD files Patch editiors/librarians Question about .MID file format ResEDIT sound editor (3 messages) S-COM SHAPED NOTE NOTATION SOFTWARE (3 messages) Songworks UK distributor for Dr.T? Wanted- DeFuria's MIDI Implementation Book Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 12:54:22 -0400 From: idealord Subject: Bohlen-Pierce Scale in SY77/99 Sysex Format Available Last night, I worked up a SY77/99 TG77 microtuning table implementing the Bohlen-Pierce scale. It's a very exotic tuning to say the least and anybody who wants a copy of this Yamaha specific sysex file is welcome to it. Just drop me a line. I've got a text file with cent listings if that would be helpful in implementing the tuning to other synths... See the comp.music discussion for more info... Jeff Harrington idealord@dorsai.dorsai.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 09:44:06 -0400 From: Jonathan Black Subject: C Hello everyone... I have been planning for some time to learn the language C and the recent discussions about Csound have further sparked my interest. My question is: Are there different "types" of C? Turbo C, C++... Is there a certain compiler that stands above the rest and do any of these include tutorials? If there is one form of C that is more suited for E-music than another could someone please tell me. Are they all basically the same? Thank you in advance Jon Black jo_black@acad.lvc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 12:26:48 -0400 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: C >Are there different "types" of C? Turbo C, C++... Is there a certain >compiler that stands above the rest and do any of these include tutorials? Keeping the explanation short, C is one language, while C++ is a C-like language with native object-oriented programming support. cmusic/csound are both (as far as I know) written in plain old C. Most everything else is support stuff; e.g. Turbo C is supposedly a faster compiler, etc. >If there is one form of C that is more suited for E-music than another could >someone please tell me. Are they all basically the same? Depends on what you're trying to do. If it's just straight compile-this-and-run-it, there's probably not a lot of difference other than standard price-performance-support tradeoffs. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 11:33:10 -0500 From: Mark Clark Subject: Re: C Are we talking C for DOS, UNIX, OS/2, MAC System 7, whatever. It depends on the machine and OS. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 18:22:04 GMT From: Martin Rootes Subject: Re: C > Keeping the explanation short, C is one language, while C++ is a C-like > language with native object-oriented programming support. cmusic/csound are > both (as far as I know) written in plain old C. C is one language with two sepearte dialects, Kernighan and Ritchie C (the original), and ANSI C (a few more bells and whistles, but some things have changed). They are different, but most ANSI C compilers will have a switch to allow the compilation of K&R C. cmusic/csound is probably written in K&R C. > >If there is one form of C that is more suited for E-music than another could > >someone please tell me. Are they all basically the same? I would suggest buying a C compiler that could handle both K&R and ANSI C. Other than that the only other point may be to see if the supplied libraries contain functions for controlling Music Hardware etc. Martin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Rootes - Senior Systems Programmer/Analyst, Sheffield Hallam University Email : M.Rootes@shu.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 09:27:59 GMT From: Martin Rootes Subject: Re: C I presume this should have been sent to the list, as I was not the person asking about C - therefore have no knowledge of the target platform. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:09:01 -0500 From: maclark@halnet.com (Mark Clark) To: M.Rootes@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk Subject: Re: C Almost all newer C compilers have full ansi support. Many C++ compilers will accept K&R and ANSI both as well. What is the platform for the compiled code? ------------------------------------------ Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Rootes - Senior Systems Programmer/Analyst, Sheffield Hallam University Email : M.Rootes@shu.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 13:37:45 CET From: Jacek Latanowicz Subject: Re: Cubase On Thu, 24 Jun 1993 16:34:22 -0400 Lester Longino said: >I just read another note about someone switching from the Amiga to the PC to do >sequencing. I'm starting to feel sorta even more in the minority than before, >since I still use my Amiga for sequencing. I've just been wondering, have any >of you Amiga users(if there are any of you out there) used Bars and Pipes Pro >by Blue Ribbon Soundworks? I've been using it for a while, and I love it. Now >I'm no "professional" musician, so maybe it isn't that useful for other people, >but I've found it to be an extremely well thought out program, especially the >funky user interface. I'd just be interested to hear any comments about this >program. > >I'm somewhat sad to see people leaving the Amiga... except for people who are >using the Video Toaster, of course. > >One more thing: I'm interested in buying a sampler for my Amiga 3000, but I >don't know a thing about what's currently available and what's good. I'd like >a high-quality, stereo sampler, along with editing software that allows me to >do all various sorts of effects. Is there anything that would do effects in >real time? > >Thanks. > >Les Longino >lo95lr26@acs.wooster.edu Hay ! :-) Like I told once someone, don't ever put popularity of software over the 'usefulness' that suits you. I am also one of few Amiga users that are left , and looked forward to switch to PC. Amiga still gives ma all that I need - I can easilly make sequences with KCS, store patches with shareware's Midi Playground. I won't switch to PC unless I find KCS version on PC (which probably doesn't exist). What's more there are roumors that Amiga's price and hardware will fall in coming time, and system might be expandable to use well known Bars & Pipes which won't work on basic version properly. Wish you luck in finding right choice, -old Amiga fan Jack L. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jack Latanowicz tel/fax Pl-(0-61) 798-202 Ul.Porzeczkowa 27 Jack@plpuam11.bitnet 61-306 Poznan P O L A N D "exploring life is the sense of living..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:47:58 GMT+7 From: Eric Wuehler <$ERICW@SASB.BYU.EDU> Subject: Re: Finale 3.0 Would somebody mind giving me a few of the likes/dislikes for Finale? What are the hardware requirements? What are the benefits/extras? Please include *anything*. Thanks in advance! -------------------------------------------------------------------- -=-=- eric -=-=- ericericericericericericericericericeric Eric Wuehler r "Never drop something you have a e Work: $ericw@sasb.byu.edu i firm grip on (until you have a r Home: eric@yvax.byu.edu c firm grip on something better.)" i I don't work weekends!! ericericericericericericericericericeric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 12:14:41 -0500 From: Kenneth Wayne Goodson Subject: Finale 3.0 How did you get 3.0? I've been using 2.2 and have not received any mail concerning upgrading to the new version. I knew it was coming out but didn't know when. Thanks in advance. ************************************************************ *Kenneth Goodson *Atlanta High School * *Band Director/UIL Computer Science*705 Rabbit Blvd * *kgoodson@tenet.edu *Atlanta, TX 75551 * *(903) 796-4636 (home) *(903) 796-7213 (office)* ************************************************************ "Up, up and away, in my beautiful balloon"-Fifth Dimension ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 14:04:33 EDT From: Mark Simon Subject: Re: Finale 3.0 I got Finale 3.0 by calling them up and asking for it. It costs $99 to upgrade from 2.6. I don't know if it's any more if you have 2.2. They didn't send me any mailing about it either. A computer science person I know who also dabbles in music told me about it in January and said it would probably be released in March. I called Coda in March and they said it hadn't been released yet. Then a month or so ago I ran into the same computer science person and he asked me "so what do you think about the new Finale?". I said I didn't know but I wasn't going to lose any time finding out. Now they're running ads for it in Keyboard and Electronic Musician. Well, they have a funny way of doing business. I would have thought they would have let their customers know the very first thing. Maybe their staff is too busy answering technical support calls. It always takes me several tries before I ever reach them. --Mark Simon tip@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 16:06:41 -0600 From: Mike Bishop Subject: Re: Mac Notation advice NOTE: Musicshop is NOT a notation package. I guarantee that if you want to do something very elemental like move a note left or right on the page, you will be frustrated. Musicshop IS a sequencer with a "Notation View". You can edit your sequence in notation view and then if you want to print it out, add a title and some notes. It is a well-written program that is easy to use and has some outstanding features. I would not recommend it as a notation program, but would HIGHLY recommend it as a sequencing program for those who (like me) don't have the bucks to spend on Vision. And the best part is, that $150 bucks I spent goes towards an upgrade to Vision! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Michael Bishop | "If you have an apple and I have an apple and | | | we exchange these apples, then you and I will | | mbishop@linfield.edu | still each have one apple. But if you have an | | | idea and I have an idea and we exchange these | | Linfield College | ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." | | McMinnville Oregon | - attributed to George Bernard Shaw | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 30 Jun 1993, Arne Claassen ISE wrote: > Opcode currently publishes Mushicshop, which is the EZVision engine with > a notation front-end. This, of course is only entry level. Development > is also under way to bring out a similar notation front-end with the Vision > sequencing engine behind it. > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Arne F. Claassen | > | | > | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 12:41:27 BST From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: Mac PostScript to DOS I have been reading the EMUSIC-L mailing list for a few weeks now but this is my first go at a reply, so here goes Kevin L. Moore writes any word on how to transfer a mac-format postscript file to a dos machine? i've got a postscript laser printer at work and a thousand PCs connected to it, but only one mac, and it's not networked. Answer: When you File, Print, you can specify the destination as a PostScript file instead of a printer If you have a Mac with a 1.44 Mb floppy drive, you should have in your system software a utility called Apple File Exchange. If you run this, you can either insert a PC floppy or insert a virgin floppy and it will offer to format it in PC format. At this point you get the PC floppy directory on the Right of the screen and the Mac hard disc on the Left. If you want to transfer a binary file use the default translation. For a text file Choose Mac to Mac to MS DOS or MS DOS to Mac, depending on which you are going, and text translation. Just accept the defaults for spacing and carriage return linefeed handling. A PostScript file is of course text but I think either text or default translation should work. NB you can only put a PC floppy in a Mac while running Apple File exchange, otherwise it will ask if you want to initialise it. There are third party products which will do the job but AFE is free! Steven Bramson sdb@jet.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 08:54:14 BST From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: MIDI file spec Kirk Corey asks where he can obtain details of the MIDI file spec If you Email to listserv@auvm.american.edu with the body text including the line GET MIDISPEC PACKAGE You get a set of MIDI specifications documents which includes the MIDI file spec +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Steven D Bramson | | | | Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking | | Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom | | | | E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: | | Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 18:44:21 EDT From: Annie Lamonde Subject: Midi music file transfer Hello! I would like to exchange midi files. I believe there is an internet address used for this [urpose for this purpose. If any of you can help me out please send me email at the following address siince I am not on your listserv: LAMA01@ [D [D [D Sorry let us try that again: lama01@uqah.uquebec, .ca Thank you very much ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 13:57:10 EST From: Doug Baker Subject: MOD files To anyone that knows : I am curious as to what is the most commonly used utility to create .MOD files? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.. -Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 11:06:26 EST From: Wen-Hao Chuang Subject: Re: Patch editiors/librarians >I am in the market for a universal IBM Compatible-PC based patch editor in >either DOS or (DOS's-evil-twin/MacEmulator)Windows format. I need a >software package that allows full editing capabilities for multiple >synthesizer platforms. Please let me know what you all are using, along >with price ranges so that I can make an informed decision about my upcoming >purchase. >Don V. >address email to: DON_VINCENT@UNC.EDU Dear Don: I use X-OR for Windows for a long time, and it's still a useful program for me. I don't know whether there's a new version of this program. BTW, "Ballad" for DOS support patch editing, too. If you want to know more product , I suggest that you can read the ad of "Keyboard" magazine. Hope this will help. Wen-Hao Chuang Internet: unis353@twnmoe10.edu.tw BITNET: unis353@bitnet.tw ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 14:38:25 -0500 From: Kirk Corey Subject: Question about .MID file format Somewhere in the vast expanse of the internet, sitting on an anonymous ftp site, there is a little document that describes the format of a .MID file. I had it, printed out, decided I didn't need it, and removed all copies of it from my computer and filing cabinet. Now I need it, and I haven't the slightest clue where I found it before, nor where I can find it again. Can someone please give me a clue? Note: I don't need to know that 90-9f is note on, etc. I already know that. I need to know what is stored as ASCII, what is not, and in what order they are stored in a .MID file. Note also: Yes, I *did* say only hours ago that MIDI was as dead as FORTRAN. I'm not sending this file to a MIDI instrument. I just want to pass info between Finale and another program. Owners of advanced flaming technology may save it for a more deserving target... Thanks very much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dr. Kirk Corey [insert Electronic Systems Administrator kirk-corey@uiowa.edu disclaimer School of Music "When in doubt, mumble." here] The University of Iowa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 16:58:45 -0600 From: Mike Bishop Subject: ResEDIT sound editor I was looking in the Macworld MUSIC and SOUND BIBLE (great book) and I saw that supposedly somewhere out here there is an add on for ResEdit that allows detailed editing of sound data. It was written by (Mike?) Reed. The program's name was not listed as far as I know. Does anybody 1) know the name of this utility and/or 2) know where I can find it? Thanks in advance, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Michael Bishop | "If you have an apple and I have an apple and | | | we exchange these apples, then you and I will | | mbishop@linfield.edu | still each have one apple. But if you have an | | | idea and I have an idea and we exchange these | | Linfield College | ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." | | McMinnville Oregon | - attributed to George Bernard Shaw | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 19:43:18 -0600 From: Mike Bishop Subject: ResEdit sound editor I was looking in the Macworld MUSIC and SOUND BIBLE (great book) and I saw that supposedly somewhere out here there is an add on for ResEdit that allows detailed editing of sound data. It was written by (Mike?) Reed. The program's name was not listed as far as I know. Does anybody 1) know the name of this utility and/or 2) know where I can find it? Thanks in advance, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Michael Bishop | "Any technology sufficiently advanced is | | mbishop@linfield.edu | indistinguishable from magic." | | Linfield College | | | McMinnville Oregon | - Aurthur C Clarke | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 08:59:52 -0400 From: idealord Subject: Re: ResEdit sound editor > > I was looking in the Macworld MUSIC and SOUND BIBLE (great book) and I saw > that supposedly somewhere out here there is an add on for ResEdit that > allows detailed editing of sound data. It was written by (Mike?) Reed. > The program's name was not listed as far as I know. > > Does anybody 1) know the name of this utility and/or 2) know where I can find > it? Are you referring to SoundHack? It's at Mills. (ftp.mills.edu?). > > Thanks in advance, > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Michael Bishop | "Any technology sufficiently advanced is | > | mbishop@linfield.edu | indistinguishable from magic." | > | Linfield College | | > | McMinnville Oregon | - Aurthur C Clarke | > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 05:04:48 -0400 From: Chris Gray Subject: Re: S-COM This thread has run a bit cold, but some 5 or 6 weeks ago I said I'd been in correspondence with Symbolic Whatsits and would post their reply if they were agreeable. I just got their permission (with apologies for the delay). 0\ / \ /0 ---------------------------snip X --- X snip---------------------- 0/ \ / \0 Dear Chris, Thanks for the note. Forgive the hype, but we do have to recoup several years work on S-COM and it does sell to the commercial music world very much on the strength of its association with fractals, neural nets etc. We need users like Pete Townsend and Thomas Dolby (both using the system on current album projects). But, it's also at CCRMA (Danny Oppenheim) and IRCAM. S-COM is simply an expert-system for music compositon based on Common Lisp (Mac), and Cambridge Lisp (Atari). You'll find most of the algorithmic tools that have been developed since Isaacson and Hillier. If you are a composer who wants to extend the potential of working with MIDI then its a significant and powerful development. It's particular good for composers writing for human performance who want to using the computer to process and connect pre-composition material. I have used it for all my (very varied) professional assignements for the last 2 years - everything from TV music (it's used on the Bournemouth University TV Music course) to an extended work for wind orchstra (for the RNCM). It's designed for musicians who want to access a programming language and make music whilst they learn it. The tutorial and support material addresses composers NOT programmers. There is a detailed Hypercard Introduction (described by Martin Russ as 'excellent' in SOS earlier this year) if you want to know more. Let me have your address if this interests you. Good wishes - Nigel 0\ / \ /0 ---------------------------snip X --- X snip---------------------- 0/ \ / \0 In the meantime I got a chance to browse through their hyperstack blurb on a friend's Mac; although I was unable to listen to the MIDI samples (my friend doesn't have MIDI manager), I was impressed by the amount of thought that seems to have gone into the system, and I imagine anyone who is into algorithmic composition from the structural (as opposed to sonic) point of view would find it very interesting indeed. - Chris __________________________________________________________________________ Chris Gray cgra@se.alcbel.be Compu$erve: 100065.2102 Ignore my broken mailer - the addresses above are the only truth __________________________________________________________________________ (imagine-here tagline pithy witty) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 08:25:25 CDT From: "Kevan L. Moore" Subject: SHAPED NOTE NOTATION SOFTWARE Does anyone know-of/have any notation software that is capable of printing shaped notes (do re mi fa sol la ti) as well as lyrics? ************* PLEASE?????????????????????************** klm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 22:55:01 -0500 From: Kenneth Wayne Goodson Subject: Re: SHAPED NOTE NOTATION SOFTWARE Finale for Windows has a shape designer that you could use to produce shaped notes. Best Wishes Kenneth Goodson kgoodson@tenet.edu On Tue, 6 Jul 1993, Kevan L. Moore wrote: > Does anyone know-of/have any notation software that is capable of > printing shaped notes (do re mi fa sol la ti) as well as lyrics? > > ************* PLEASE?????????????????????************** > > klm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 09:27:35 U From: Jack Blovits Subject: None Finale 3.0 for Macintosh is capable of shaped-note notation. I have yet to explore that avenue with it though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 15:58:07 CDT From: "Kevan L. Moore" Subject: Songworks I've just bought (only on a trial basis) Songworks. For the mac. it claims to do shaped notes (i haven't gotten it yet) and produce a Postscript file. any word on how to transfer a mac-format postscript file to a dos machine? i've got a postscript laser printer at work and a thousand PCs connected to it, but only one mac, and it's not networked. The only other software(s) i've seen that does shaped notes that runs on the PC cost $295(+$95 shaped-note option) and $749 and do far more than i need. all i need is: 1) Shaped notes 2) 2 staves: Treble & Bass 3) lyrics i don't need 32-stave midi-transmit piano-roll automatic-bass stuff. maybe it just doesn't exist, but i'm hoping posting this hoping that someone out there will know a more appropriate list, maybe, than this one to post this plea on. thanks. again. klm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 10:28:36 -0400 From: Chris Gray Subject: UK distributor for Dr.T? Anyone have an address for the UK distributor of Dr.T's KCS (etc)? I have a tlephone number for some people called Zone Distribution, but this seems not to work. TIA, Chris __________________________________________________________________________ Chris Gray cgra@se.alcbel.be Compu$erve: 100065.2102 Ignore my broken mailer - the addresses above are the only truth __________________________________________________________________________ Kelp is an integral part of a healthy ecosystem - Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:12:00 EDT From: "J. KEITH OSTERTAG" Subject: Wanted- DeFuria's MIDI Implementation Book I'm looking to buy a copy of The MIDI Implementation Book, by Steve DeFuria, 1986 Anyone have a used copy they are interested in selling? Does anyone know of an updated source for similar information? I am in the market some used midi equipment and I remember DeFuria's book as an excellent one-stop source for complete specs (though no evaluations) on many popular pieces. It would be great if there were something similar dated around 1990 or so. Keith Ostertag, Access Services Librarian Memorial Library, SUNY- Cortland OSTERTAGK@SNYCORVA.BITNET or OSTERTAGK@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU 607-753-2528 fax: 607-753-5669 ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************