EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 57, Issue 02 This issue's topics: CSOUND Csound and stuff (not serious) Csound for PC CSound for PCs is available CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED (9 messages) CSOUND INFO WANTED (6 messages) CSound manual and .sco/.orc files CSound stateside Direct digital Re. CSOUND FOR THE PC The Complete Csound Package!!! Where to Find Csound/PC!! Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 16:57:56 -0600 From: brickman jonathan Subject: CSOUND Hello all. I just ftp'd the CSOUND files, and found that I don't have access to a PostScript-to-ASCII translator -- the CSOUND manual is in .ps.Z (Unix- "compress"ed PostScript) format. Does anyone know where I can find a shareware/freeware/etc. PostScript-to-ASCII converter which will work on either an IBM RS/6000 or an IBM PC-Compatible? ||Jonathan E. Brickman brickman@acc.wuacc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 09:55:20 -0400 From: The Bare Facts BBS Subject: Csound and stuff (not serious) I have an old 9-track tape of Music360 that I ran on a PDP-11; anybody want it up for anon ftp? :-D (the magnetic stuff has peeled off of most of the tape!) R --- Origin: The Bare Facts BBS * U of AL School of Music * @tbf.musicnet.ua.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 12:50:30 CST From: dburke@VAX1.UMKC.EDU Subject: Csound for PC I read several messages requesting an FTP site for csound for the pc. Try ftp.bath.ac.uk in the dir /pub/jpff. I believe the docs are there as well. (250 pages in PostScript format). The directory also contains some sample orchestra and score files. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 14:30:59 GMT From: J P Fitch Subject: CSound for PCs is available There has been some discussion recently about Csound for the PC. You can get Csound for a PC, whether 286, 286+fpt, 386, 386+fpt or 486 from ftp.bath.ac.uk:pub/jpff by anonymous ftp. The stuff is in pkzip format there, and there are examples, documentation (a little) and sources. If you find anonymous ftp is not available you can send e-mail to info-server@maths.bath.ac.uk containing a body like request: dream Topic: index request: end Items are sent as uuencoded 'zip' files, possibly split across multiple mail messages if they are large. You will need to: 1) put any multi part messages back together into a single file. 2) run a uudecode program on this file (uudecode is pretty standard on unix machines & PC implementations are available at most good archive sites) 3) run something like 'unzip' or 'pkunzip' to unpack the zip archive. You can get them by mail saying request: dream Topic: xxxx request: end where xxxx is one of the files mentioned in the index. In order to save you time, and to indicate what is available by either method I attach the index info below. If that fails, mail me. You may like to note that I have just set up a mailing list called PCsound@maths.bath.ac.uk for discussing this software and related issues, bugs, fixes and new releases etc etc..... This has been ported from the latest MIT sources I could get, and there has been a little customisation, for graphics in particular, and also for producing .wav format files. On the 386 and 486 it uses virtual memory. The copyright remains with MIT who created this wonderful software. If this is of interest to you, enjoy it. If not ignore it! ==John (Fitch or ffitch) School of Mathematical Sciences Codemist Ltd University of Bath "Alta", Horsecombe Vale Bath BA2 7AY Combe Down, Bath BA2 5QR United Kingdom United Kingdom FAX: +44-225-837430 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ csound_386.zip - Csound from MIT Media Lab ported to DOS 386, with WAV format files Last update: 15:41 26 September 93 csound_286.zip - Csound from MIT Media Lab ported to DOS 286, using extended memory (included WAV format) Last update: 15:43 26 September 93 csound_fpt_386.zip - Csound from MIT Media Lab ported to DOS 386 with floating point chip, including WAV format files Last update: 15:37 26 September 93 csound_486.zip - Csound from MIT Media Lab ported to DOS 486, with WAV format files Last update: 15:38 26 September 93 csound_src.zip - Sources of Csound from MIT Media Lab with PC modifications Last update: 15:36 26 September 93 Csound_example.zip - Samples of simple Csound use (.orc and .sco files) Last update 11:00 26 July 1993 Simple-Docs - Some manual pages for csound and friends This material may not be up to date. Last update 23:18 27 July 1993 pvoc.zip - Dobson Phase vocoder for PC/386. Last update: 08:28 2 February 1993 *** Warning: this has not been thoroughly tested *** soxbin.zip - Sound Tools format convertor for PC/386 Created 09:50 20 October 1993 Contains binary, examples and documentation soxsrc.zip - Sound Tools format convertor for PC/386 Created 09:50 20 October 1993 Contains sources, makefile etc for Zortech C Please send an request for similar software, or comments, bug reports etc. to jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk There is a mailing list called PCsound@maths.bath.ac.uk set up to handle comments and queries about Csound on the PC and related topics. To subscribe send mail to PCsound-request@maths.bath.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 08:57:34 EDT From: Doug Walker Subject: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED I would like to know where I can ftp a copy of Csound for a 386. I tried to ftp bath.ac.uk which was a reference I took down from somewhere, but was told that that it didn't exist. Could someone please help me out with clear directions? Doug Walker dougwalk@vef.north.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 01:33:51 GMT From: Rikhardur H Fridriksson Subject: Re: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED > I would like to know where I can ftp a copy of Csound for a 386. Try ftp'ing "media-lab.media.mit.edu". M.I.T. is where Csound was written by Barry Vercoe. I've never actually seen Csound run on a PC, only Macs and Workstations, and I don't know for a fact if the M.I.T. server has any Csound, but it's the first place I would look. Even if you get it there, your troubles aren't over. If you don't already know how to run it you can expect a number of tough months of learning. With only a 386 computer you will also need lots of patience. If you can't get a PC version, try looking for the source code. Because of a nearly non-existent user interface, the program is very portable between computers. You would only have to make minor changes to a Mac or Unix source-code to make it run on another platform. Provided you can program in C, of course. Rikhardur H. Fridriksson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 01:42:43 GMT From: Rikhardur H Fridriksson Subject: Re: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED > I would like to know where I can ftp a copy of Csound for a 386. I just looked up in Computer Music Journal, Summer 1993, which has a review on Csound. The correct ftp address is "media-lab.mit.edu". On the other hand, they only have it for Unix, Next and Macintosh. Try to see if the source code is lying around. Porting it to another platform may not be a trivial task, but because of the lack of user interface, it's not gigantic either. Rikhardur H. Fridriksson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 22:03:20 -0700 From: Thomas Polz Subject: Re: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED I've seen the name CSound around a bit. What exactly is it for? What can be done with it? Is it like a hacker MAX, or is it synthesis software? Sorry to bombard with questions, -- ms20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 09:54:25 -0400 From: The Bare Facts BBS Subject: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED > I would like to know where I can ftp a copy of Csound for a 386. > Could someone please help me out with clear directions? I cannot find an archie site with the PC version up. HOWEVER... I have the compiled binaries for the PC. I also have the source for unix (AIX). If anyone is interested in having me put the manual pages/documentation, source, and PC binaries up for ftp at one of our sites here, please email me at rbyrd@wagner.musicnet.ua.edu or, reply via mail to this message (it will go to 1-1205502@tbf.musicnet.ua.edu as I gate this list to our BBS.) --- Richard L. Byrd SysAdmin, UA School of Music Tuscaloosa AL USA --- Origin: The Bare Facts BBS * U of AL School of Music * @tbf.musicnet.ua.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 09:54:50 -0400 From: The Bare Facts BBS Subject: Re: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED CSound *did* have a really slick GUI for the NeXT, but I guess that is all cold hash now. :-/ R --- Origin: The Bare Facts BBS * U of AL School of Music * @tbf.musicnet.ua.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 14:34:31 GMT From: Hans Strasburger Subject: Re: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED Organization: Inst. f. Med. Psychologie, Univ. Muenchen (Germany) > I would like to know where I can ftp a copy of Csound for a 386. > I tried to ftp bath.ac.uk The correct site name is maths.bath.ac.uk there are supposed to be other sites too. No need to get the source code! It has been ported several times to the PC and it IS available. ~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~ Dr. Hans Strasburger | hans@milo.imp.med.uni-muenchen.de Institut fuer Medizinische Psychologie | Tel: (+49)(89) 5996-217 Goethestr. 31 | Fax: -615 80336 Muenchen, Germany | priv: (+49)(89) 48 59 19 ~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~--~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 21:51:11 -0500 From: Benjamin Mumphrey Subject: Re: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED Dear Mr. Byrd, I would greatly appreciate it if you would put your PC version of CSOUND into FTP. Please announce the location. Thanks! Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 13:11:52 GMT From: J P Fitch Subject: Re: CSOUND FOR THE PC INFO WANTED Organization: School of Mathematical Sciences, University of Bath, UK Sorry if this is a repeat. Ben Mumphrey asked Mr Boyd to post his Csound to an ftp site. I am not sure about where Mr Boyd got his from but this may be of interest. You can get Csound for a PC, whether 286, 286+fpt, 386, 386+fpt or 486 from ftp.bath.ac.uk:pub/jpff by anonymous ftp. The stuff is in pkzip format there, and there are examples, documentation (a little) and sources. If you find anonymous ftp is not available you can send e-mail to info-server@maths.bath.ac.uk containing a body like request: dream Topic: index request: end Items are sent as uuencoded 'zip' files, possibly split across multiple mail messages if they are large. You will need to: 1) put any multi part messages back together into a single file. 2) run a uudecode program on this file (uudecode is pretty standard on unix machines & PC implementations are available at most good archive sites) 3) run something like 'unzip' or 'pkunzip' to unpack the zip archive. You can get them by mail saying request: dream Topic: xxxx request: end where xxxx is one of the files mentioned in the index. In order to save you time, and to indicate what is available by either method I attach the index info below. If that fails, mail me. You may like to note that I have just set up a mailing list called PCsound@maths.bath.ac.uk for discussing this software and related issues, bugs, fixes and new releases etc etc..... This has been ported from the latest MIT sources I could get, and there has been a little customisation, for graphics in particular, and also for producing .wav format files. On the 386 and 486 it uses virtual memory. The copyright remains with MIT who created this wonderful software. If this is of interest to you, enjoy it. If not ignore it! ==John (Fitch or ffitch) School of Mathematical Sciences Codemist Ltd University of Bath "Alta", Horsecombe Vale Bath BA2 7AY Combe Down, Bath BA2 5QR United Kingdom United Kingdom FAX: +44-225-837430 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ csound_386.zip - Csound from MIT Media Lab ported to DOS 386, with WAV format files Last update: 22 October 1993 v2.1 csound_286.zip - Csound from MIT Media Lab ported to DOS 286, using extended memory (included WAV format) Last update: 22 October 1993 v2.1 csound_fpt_386.zip - Csound from MIT Media Lab ported to DOS 386 with floating point chip, including WAV format files Last update: 22 October 1993 v2.1 csound_486.zip - Csound from MIT Media Lab ported to DOS 486, with WAV format files Last update: 22 October 1993 v2.1 csound_src.zip - Sources of Csound from MIT Media Lab with PC modifications Last update: 22 October 1993 v2.1 Csound_example.zip - Samples of simple Csound use (.orc and .sco files) Last update 11:00 26 July 1993 Simple-Docs - Some manual pages for csound and friends This material may not be up to date. Last update 23:18 27 July 1993 pvoc.zip - Dobson Phase vocoder for PC/386. Last update: 08:28 2 February 1993 *** Warning: this has not been thoroughly tested *** soxbin.zip - Sound Tools format convertor for PC/386 Created 09:50 20 October 1993 Contains binary, examples and documentation soxsrc.zip - Sound Tools format convertor for PC/386 Created 09:50 20 October 1993 Contains sources, makefile etc for Zortech C Please send an request for similar software, or comments, bug reports etc. to jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk There is a mailing list called PCsound@maths.bath.ac.uk set up to handle comments and queries about Csound on the PC and related topics. To subscribe send mail to PCsound-request@maths.bath.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 16:46:41 GMT From: Rikhardur H Fridriksson Subject: Re: CSOUND INFO WANTED > I've seen the name CSound around a bit. What exactly is it for? What > can be done with it? Is it like a hacker MAX, or is it synthesis > software? Csound is a synthesis program, and it's definitely for hackers. For the sake of portability between systems (Unix, Mac, Next) and flexibility, it has very limited user interface. Basically what you do is typing in program code and getting sound out the other end. The sound definitions are written into a text file, called an "orchestra" file, containing definitions of the "instruments" used. Instructions about what to do with the orchestra is written into another text file, called a "score" file. That being done, Csound is run, reading the two files, compiling the instrument files and applying the score files to them. Some time later (for complex music that means many hours later) the results appear in the form of a sound file. The syntax of the orchestra files is a mix of C-code, Fortran-code and assembly language, and the score files are basically (long) lists of numbers controlling various parameters of the instruments (defined in the orchestra file). This low-level input doesn't sound very attractive, and it isn't, but it makes Csound one of the most flexible synthesis tools available, enabling the user to define almost anything himself. If you're so inclined, it's not that difficult to make your own DX7, your own K-2000, your own effects-unit etc., but because of the time involved it's mostly used to do the things that no commercial box can do. The limits of this thing are basically your own imagination and patience (and hard disk space). Csound will theoretically run on any computer, but don't try it unless you have a decently fast one, or else fairly normal computations will take days to run. In order to hear the result, a sound-card (with playback software) is needed, and don't forget that 1 minute of CD quality stereo sound takes up 10 megabytes of hard disk space. Csound was written by Barry Vercoe at M.I.T. It's based on decades of development initiated by Max Matthews at Bell Laboratories in the late 1950s, and a program called MUSIC V. Before Midi these kinds of programs were one of few ways to make music with computers, and today it's widely used by "serious" computer composers to do things beyond the capacity of Midi or any commercial systems. Like I mentioned in a previous posting, Csound (for Unix, Mac or Next) should be available through anonymous ftp to: media-lab.mit.edu. Rikhardur H. Fridriksson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 09:28:59 EDT From: JASON VANTOMME Subject: Re: CSOUND INFO WANTED In addition to the brief summary (and accurate - thank you) posted by Rikhardur H. Fridriksson, I'd also like to mention a few more things. If you get Csound by anon ftp from MIT, you also get an OK manual - that's been spruced up considerably over the past year or so - that also includes a serious of tutorials written by Richard Boulanger at the Berklee School of Music in Boston. Further, in addition to the csound program itself, you get copies of several other programs for doing things like lpc and pvc (I think) and some others - there are also little blurbs on this in the manual. Too bad there isn't a text on csound out yet... Incidentally, I and some colleagues were at MIT last March, and Vercoe gave us a demo of real-time csound on an Indigo. Pretty cool stuff - he just plugged in his DX7 and used its MIDI info for various parameters of the generating sound. Of course note on's were for new score events in this case... Just think of the possibilities! (Course you've got to go but an Indigo or something nearly as $$ to do this sort of thing!) Jason Vantomme =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jason D. Vantomme Faculty of Music, McGill University Montreal, PQ CANADA email: vantomme@music.mcgill.ca =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 11:14:54 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: CSOUND INFO WANTED I got a copy Csound and MusicV. Both appear to be fairly cryptic and related. Now, i've heard a lot about Csound, but nothing about Music V, but music V certainly has a better user interface. (Oh, btw i'm talking Macintosh here) So, before i battle with the cryptic approaches of either, i wondered which one is more powerful and is it really of any use to me. My use being the creation of samples to download to my sampler. Will this really be a worthwhile tool for creating custmo sounds? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 17:34:37 +0100 From: Ferdinando Villa Subject: Re: CSOUND INFO WANTED > > I got a copy Csound and MusicV. Both appear to be fairly cryptic and related. > Now, i've heard a lot about Csound, but nothing about Music V, but music V > certainly has a better user interface. > (Oh, btw i'm talking Macintosh here) > So, before i battle with the cryptic approaches of either, i wondered which > one is more powerful and is it really of any use to me. My use being the > creation of samples to download to my sampler. Will this really be a > worthwhile tool for creating custmo sounds? CSound is actually a much improved redesign of Music V, so it is certainly much more powerful. The Mac version of Music V by SImone Bettini (shareware) looks very nice though I heard that it is very unstable. I gave it only a try so I cannot witness myself. If you are into REAL electronic music, I mean you know very well the basis of sound design, and want to mess with a very unfriendly and poorly documented language like CSound, it will reward you with possibilities that you cannot finde anywhere else. If you don't have time or willingness to do that, you'll probably be better of by resorting to hardware synthesis. Anyway, using both languages on a Mac for serious work is definitely too slow. I design my CSound samples on the Mac at home and synthesize them on the Sparc 10 at the university. It's workable. Best wishes -- Ferdinando Villa, dr. Institute of Ecology Direct phone: +39-521-905615 University of Parma FAX: +39-521-905665 Viale delle Scienze e.mail: villa@eagle.bio.unipr.it 43100 Parma, Italy villa@sparrow.bio.unipr.it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 07:55:53 -0500 From: Stephen David Beck Subject: Re: CSOUND INFO WANTED Csound is a decendent of Music V and is far and away more powerful, and worth experimenting. The new manual is much improved, but you have to know about the synthesis techniques it refers to. It assumes you have some background in these areas, and hence may seem cryptic. But once you get a handle on the abbreviation style, its straight forward. You might want to have Charles Dodge's "Computer Music" book available for discussions on subtractive and analysis based sythesis. There are some tutorials in the Csound manual (including FOF synthesis), and does write to AIFF Mac soundfiles. I think its signal processing and analysis abilities would make it ideal for creating custom samples. Turbosynth has been around for a long time, and is a sample synthesizer that uses a graphic interface to mix, process, synthesize and filter sounds. It can be used with any of Digidesign's products and with any sampler (I think). Not as powerful as Csound (not even close), but easy to use. -Stephen David Beck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 09:55:07 -0400 From: The Bare Facts BBS Subject: Re: CSOUND INFO WANTED > the Berklee School of Music in Boston. Further, in addition to > the csound program itself, you get copies of several other programs > for doing things like lpc and pvc (I think) and some others - there > are also little blurbs on this in the manual. Too bad there isn't a Yes, you are correct; the February release has a *very* comprehensive manual in text and ps formats, and little bits by Lansky, Boulanger, and others. It also comes packaged with the utils you mentioned, and some other goodies. Not a bad package if you are into nuts and bolts. :-) R --- Origin: The Bare Facts BBS * U of AL School of Music * @tbf.musicnet.ua.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 13:25:04 -0700 From: Craig Meyer Subject: CSound manual and .sco/.orc files 'A bit embarassed having to ask this: So I got the CSound for 486 files from the ftp.bath.ac.uk, and they've only screwed up a couple times, so that's good. However, I swear I looked up and down that media-lab.mit.edu ftp rat-nest three times and I couldn't find a dang thing about CSound--namely that manual or some more orchestra/score files. Could anyone help this lowly net-dunce find these things? Thanks in advance, Craig Meyer Harvey Mudd College cmeyer@hmc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 09:25:55 -0400 From: The Bare Facts BBS Subject: CSound stateside I now have CSound/PC available for anonymous FTP at: wagner.musicnet.ua.edu (130.160.156.75) in /pub/music/csound. I am working on getting a complete mirror of the bath site. Happy snarfing. ;-) PS--hope you have a math coprocessor!! R --- Origin: The Bare Facts BBS * U of AL School of Music * @tbf.musicnet.ua.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 09:28:42 -0400 From: The Bare Facts BBS Subject: Direct digital > Csound is a decendent of Music V and is far and away more powerful, and > worth experimenting. The new manual is much improved, but you have to Gotta know. :-) We still use CSound (the latest MIT/Barry Vercoe incarnation) to do direct digital synth here at UA; additionally, we teach snippets of Tuck Howe's Music4BF synthesis package in my 'Synthesis of Synthesis' class (kind of a survey of the history of emus). Does anyone else use 4BF for anything? Additionally, I have CSound running under AIX, if anyone is interested in getting the AIX-hacked code. Richard L. Byrd NetAdmin, UA School of Music Tuscaloosa AL USA --- Origin: The Bare Facts BBS * U of AL School of Music * @tbf.musicnet.ua.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:36:16 GMT From: Rikhardur H Fridriksson Subject: Re. CSOUND FOR THE PC Concerning Csound for the Next: I believe you can still get the Next vesion at MIT. Furthermore, most of the Next music software is going to be ported to the PC. Maybe Csound will follow that trend. Rikhardur H. Fridriksson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 16:36:05 CST From: dburke@VAX1.UMKC.EDU Subject: The Complete Csound Package!!! Csound docs are now available by FTP at vax1.umkc.edu in the directory /music. BTW, if you missed the original post, you can find Csound for the pc compiled for 286/386/486 pc's, mac, and next at ftp.bath.ac.uk in the dir /pub/jpff. I am also interested in trading Csound techniques and ideas. Post here or reply to the above address. David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:25:21 CST From: dburke@VAX1.UMKC.EDU Subject: Where to Find Csound/PC!! Csound for the PC can be located at ftp.bath.ac.uk in the dir /pub/jpff. There are versions compiled for 286,386 and 486. It will now also work with .wav files. Documentation is available in the file csndman2.ps (PostScript format, about 250 pages) I am interested in hearing what some of you are doing w/csound and trading ideas. 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