EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 57, Issue 07 This issue's topics: samples dumb midi playback programs (5 messages) Forwarded mail for LISTS.EMUSIC how to convert midi-file formats in each other ? im shopping. im going mad. (2 messages) MPU-401 on general soundcards (2 messages) Need MPU-401 help!! PC Sound Card for Sampling 16 bits (2 messages) Reply to PC Sound Card for Sampling 16 bits ROLAND SCC-1 Sample dumping via Samplevision GUI samples (4 messages) Sampling Serial Midi Adapters Conclusion. Serial Port MIDI Adap. Serial Port Midi Adaptor Serial Port Midi Adaptor?? (2 messages) Sound Canvas editor Turtle Beach Multisound? Windows Sound-Canvas Editor Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 15:17:34 -0500 From: Dean Keith Subject: samples >I run a 486-50 w/ wave for Windows, so I can play files w/ .wav extentions. >However, I have seen files in sound ftp sites with .voc and .snd extentions. >What do these extentions apply to? Are they sample files as such or something >different? Is there a pc program to play them? > >thanks- phil Phil, The .VOC format is a format designed for soundblaster. You can use other programs to convert them to .WAV format. The Best program that I've found for this is: Blaster Master v5.6, it's shareware and can probably be found on some FTP sites, If you can't find it on the INTERNET, you can download it (free) from the BBS that I run. (817)968-6565 300-14400 baud, 8-N-1. I think the file is called BMASTER56.ZIP (sp?), It's in the: Sound: Players/Utilities Area under the File menu. The program is made for .VOC files, but can import and convert to: .WAV, .SAM, and one other I can't think of, possibly the .SND extension you mentioned. I hope this helps you, ______________________________________________________________________________ Dean Keith dkeith@tarleton.edu Tarleton State University Stephenville, Texas, USA ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 13:30:22 CDT From: "Kevan L. Moore" Subject: dumb midi playback programs i'd like to get a laptop so i could play my sequences portably. i don't need a portable to RECORD them, since i have access to a desktop 486 -- plenty fast enough to record. if all the portable has to do is playback, it would not have to be a 486 to keep up. would an 8088 laptop keep up? i can get one of those for NOTHING (as opposed to $1700 for a 486 laptop). anyone know of any super-basic runs-under-dos does-nothing-but-plays software good enough to play as many notes as physically possible by the midi spec? any suggestions? thanks. klm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:52:38 BST From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: Re: dumb midi playback programs Kavan L Moore writes: i'd like to get a laptop so i could play my sequences portably. i don't need a portable to RECORD them, since i have access to a desktop 486 -- plenty fast enough to record. if all the portable has to do is playback, it would not have to be a 486 to keep up. would an 8088 laptop keep up? i can get one of those for NOTHING (as opposed to $1700 for a 486 laptop). anyone know of any super-basic runs-under-dos does-nothing-but-plays software good enough to play as many notes as physically possible by the midi spec? any suggestions? ---------- If your portable has a card slot, you can buy an MPU 401 clone card. These claim to run on even the slowest PC (and they should since the data rate is relatively low at 3 k bytes per second). The MidiMan 401 comes with a sequencer which runs under DOS. Also you can use MPUPLAY which comes with the Roland SCC1 with an MPU clone card. This will only play type 0 MIDI files. There is a program available on the net PLAYB.EXE which will play type 1 files as well, also from the DOS prompt for an MPU clone. I can't remember where I picked it up, but ftp.cs.ruu.nl is a good bet Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 ------------------------------------------------------------------ JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 21:10:19 GMT From: james lowell noxon Subject: Re: dumb midi playback programs I use a 8088 laptop ( actually a V 20 ) with Cakewalk demo for doing this. I could send you the program if you can't find it. -- PJ Noxon - aka - Park James Noxon president of MIDIMIX - inventor of the midi merge jnoxon@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 16:38:55 CDT From: "Kevan L. Moore" Subject: Re: dumb midi playback programs PJ /I use a 8088 laptop ( actually a V 20 ) with Cakewalk demo for doing /this. I could send you the program if you can't find it. do you find it slows down or misses notes if the sequences are unusually thick? does it have trouble at high tempos? please put in the thickest mo st orchestrated song you have and find out at which tempo, if any, notes cut out. i have Cakewalk demo and Cakewalk Professional for Dos. now all i need is an 8088 laptop, if that's sufficient. let me know what happens, and thanks for the information. i'm highly encouraged. klm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 16:39:48 CDT From: "Kevan L. Moore" Subject: Re: dumb midi playback programs PJ, /I use a 8088 laptop ( actually a V 20 ) with Cakewalk demo for doing /this. I could send you the program if you can't find it. p.s. what kind of midi interface does your laptop use? i have a TG 100. i'm guessing that a midi card would offload some of the processing from the 8088. klm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 13:07:09 EDT From: Matthew Hsu Subject: Re: Forwarded mail for LISTS.EMUSIC >Posted on 21 Oct 1993 at 16:27:44 by Kevin Mobbs > >Iam setting up a music workstation (PC). I am trying to decide what >to do about sound card/midi hardware. Apparently, the Turtle Beach >Multisound is thought to be the best choice. Is the Multisound the >best? If so what are its limitations, and what other items >(software/equipment) are needed? I think that the MultiSound is supposed to be the best PC sound card, but no where near the best MIDI interface. If you're planning to use more sophisticated MIDI functions, I'm not sure that the MS does the trick. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 18:55:00 LCL From: Peter Dorsch Subject: how to convert midi-file formats in each other ? Hallo Is there a program (Atari ST or MSDos) to convert midi-file formats in each other (1->2 ; 2->1).Where can I find it?(FTP site) Thanks Peter Peter Dorsch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 09:54:00 EDT From: John Rossi III Subject: Re: im shopping. im going mad. If the new Turtle Beach Card is restricted to 44KHz recording, I'd go the extra $100, or so, and buy a Multisound. Not only will that give you an on-card Proteus, but the Multisound has multiple sample rates. As for transfering samples from a PC card to a sampler, you will need to get the formats straight. None of the inexpensive PC-card software that I am aware of supports either MIDI SDS or SMIDI. What I do using my Multisound is.. (1) record to the PC using Multisound controlled by Wave 2.0; (2) convert the .wav to a Samplevision file; (3) exit windows and run SampleVision; (4) load the converted file; then SMIDI it, or SMF it to the K2000. I realize that this is quite convoluted but it works. Unless there is some public domain or shareware program which converts .WAVs to something which can be transmitted to a MIDI SDS file, I can't think of any easier way to do it. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 11:51:37 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: im shopping. im going mad. > what I am wondering is: could you record a voice onto hard drive > via the turtle card, then,, from the HD go into your ram on your > ensonicTS10 or KorgX3(or similar KB),, and then put that voice > on the disk drive in the KB.... this would be for rather short > 'sound byte' vocal manipulations, not a whole vocal for a song. Ok, the format on Ensoniq is non-standard, but there are some utilities for PC available (public domain) from the eps user group on the net, that will let you save files on EPS formatted disks. Now if you are talking about long vocal samples, i doubt they'll fit on a floppy. Then again there is more PD stuff to put files through SCSI onto an Ensoniq formatted HD, which then could be utilized by the TS-10. For real desperate versions, there is always the MIDI sample dump, but expect to wait an hour for it to transfer that way. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 18:23:47 BST From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: MPU-401 on general soundcards Jonathan E. Brickman writes Does anyone have an opinion on the Sound Blaster 16? It does 16-bit recording, 11, 22, or 44 kHz sampling rates, with three different compression types. The 16ASP has hardware compression. It also has an MPU-401 MIDI port. I am after cheap performance, and this looks good. ------------------------------------- I have read/heard of various problems with MPU-401 sections on various PC general soundcards (eg SoundBlaster, ProAudioSpectrum, Gravis UltraSound) which usually require an extra bit (such as the MidiMate). On the other hand I hear that dedicated MPU-401 clones are not a problem. I use a MidiMan mm401 and a PAS 16 soundcard, but I only run MIDI through the MM401 with no difficulties. Any comments? Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 ------------------------------------------------------------------ JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 12:40:24 -0500 From: brickman jonathan Subject: Re: MPU-401 on general soundcards Hi, Steven. I will let you know if I have problems using my SB16; I haven't received the MIDI box for it yet. ||Jonathan E. Brickman brickman@acc.wuacc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 15:58:55 CST From: dburke@VAX1.UMKC.EDU Subject: Need MPU-401 help!! I am using a MPU-401 (the original) and would like to use the tape synch (fsk) function. I know the command to turn the synch on but I don't know how to get my sequencer to send it. (I am currently using Cakewalk for windows) Is there a way to do this? Or if anyone can explain how to send commands to the mpu from dos this would also work. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, David dburke@vax1.umkc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 07:02:55 +0700 From: "Mr.Krisda Chongjitaporn -Ungrad .Political Scienc" Subject: PC Sound Card for Sampling 16 bits Hi guys out there! One of my friend (who work with music, Sound Arranger) want to use his computer for producing some song, and he want to know some info about good (best) sound card that do such a MIDI Interface, 16 bits Sampling (Record) that can be used to produce commercial song, emphasis on quality of sound !! he have heard about Pro-Audio Spectum that it have some problem with recording sound and it would generate some disguisting noisy, is that true? and do you guy, have any idea or opinion on GUS? hmmmm....oops, he want this card to work with his D50 and Kurzweil.. u34kcj@chulkn.chula.ac.th - Barchen - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 19:44:46 -0500 From: brickman jonathan Subject: Re: PC Sound Card for Sampling 16 bits Does anyone have an opinion on the Sound Blaster 16? It does 16-bit recording, 11, 22, or 44 kHz sampling rates, with three different compression types. The 16ASP has hardware compression. It also has an MPU-401 MIDI port. I am after cheap performance, and this looks good. ||Jonathan E. Brickman brickman@acc.wuacc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 01:00:04 -0500 From: Dean Keith Subject: Reply to PC Sound Card for Sampling 16 bits > One of my friend (who work with music, Sound Arranger) > want to use his computer for producing some song, and > he want to know some info about good (best) sound card > that do such a MIDI Interface, 16 bits Sampling (Record) > that can be used to produce commercial song, emphasis > on quality of sound !! he have heard about Pro-Audio > Spectum that it have some problem with recording sound > and it would generate some disguisting noisy, is that > true? and do you guy, have any idea or opinion on GUS? > > - Barchen - I have a Pro Audio Spectrum 16, and have had no trouble sampling with it. I can't sample at 44.1kHz stereo though, not because of the card, but I only have a 25mHz CPU. To sample at high rates (on any card) requires a fast CPU. There are SEVERAL factors that can lead to noisy samples, but they all have to do with user error, or configuration problems. There are spacific IRQ, and DMA channels that are 16-bit, and others are ONLY 8-bit. The wrong settings will produce DISGUSTING noise if a 16-bit sample is attempted. This is NOT the card's fault! The Pro Audio Studio comes with some really great software, and a microphone. Also, the Studio has a line level output, in addition to the amplified one. I would give it much consiteration for the extra $30. there is a MIDI kit available fir PAS that just pluggs into the SCSI port on the card. ______________________________________________________________________________ Dean Keith dkeith@tarleton.edu Tarleton State University Stephenville, Texas, USA ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 02:42:42 EDT From: IO20655@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Subject: ROLAND SCC-1 ...So here I am cash in hand about ready to finally put that sound canvas card in my pc when I open up the October issue of electronic musician. In their new product spot they have a card by Media Vision (PAS16xl I think) that is their sound acard with a Korg chipset onboard(OW/3 I thunk) ... NOW I HAVE A CHOICE? well has anyone heard it ? I want to compare sounds...I was getting the SCC-1 bundled with some medium generic software but the PAS comes with TRAX and some other Win 3.1 stuff. At about the same price! If anyone's heard anything (SOUNDS) especially if you've heard both. let me know... E-Mail if you can (IO20655@maine.maine.edu) Shawn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 15:24:46 GMT From: John Kennedy Subject: Sample dumping via Samplevision GUI In article , John Rossi III None of the inexpensive PC-card software that I am aware |> of supports either MIDI SDS or SMIDI. What I do using my Multisound is.. |> (1) record to the PC using Multisound controlled by Wave 2.0; (2) convert |> the .wav to a Samplevision file; (3) exit windows and run SampleVision; |> (4) load the converted file; then SMIDI it, or SMF it to the K2000. I realize |> that this is quite convoluted but it works. Unless there is some public |> domain or shareware program which converts .WAVs to something which can |> be transmitted to a MIDI SDS file, I can't think of any easier way to do it. |> |> John I have an EPS16+ sampler and do pretty much the same to edit on my PC. This works but is quite slow ( i.e. unproductive ) and gets to be a drag. Does anyone have info whether Turtle Beach is adapting/converting Samplevision from the GEM GUI to a Windows GUI ?? Thanks in advance. LATER J. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 10:06:02 -0500 From: Phil Somebody-or-another Subject: samples I run a 486-50 w/ wave for Windows, so I can play files w/ .wav extentions. However, I have seen files in sound ftp sites with .voc and .snd extentions. What do these extentions apply to? Are they sample files as such or something different? Is there a pc program to play them? thanks- phil sps5251 @siena *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 10:16:46 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: samples .SND files are Macintosh sound format samples. .VOC beats me? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 12:26:06 -0400 From: Rich Johnson Subject: Re: samples > .SND files are Macintosh sound format samples. > .VOC beats me? > .VOC's are sound files for the Soundblaster card (PC's). I believe the SB comes with a player. If not, there are plenty of freeware ones around. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 15:54:12 -0500 From: Stephen David Beck Subject: Re: samples > .SND files are Macintosh sound format samples. Files that end with .snd (i.e. mySound.snd) are NeXT format sound files. Mac sound files have a Resource Type of SND, but they don't usually have an .snd filename suffix. SoundHack will convert soundfiles between the two formats. -Stephen David Beck -I hate long signatures ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 10:37:05 -0500 From: Phil Somebody-or-another Subject: Sampling Hello. I've got a question that I hope some of you more experienced midi people can answer. I'm running the multisound card, and have been taking some samples (drums mostly) but I can't figure out how to put them, or any other sample for that matter, my compositions. In other words, how do I trigger the sample to kick off at a certain part of the song. Is there a command i need to put into the midi file, or do I have to tie into my wave editor, or what? thanks, Phil sps5251@siena.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 11:14:42 EDT From: Rich Gautier Subject: Serial Midi Adapters Conclusion. What I have purchased (Will get it Mon or Tues!) is a MPU-401 compatible midi board with 2 midi cables...59.90 through TigerSoftware. Turns out they had what I wanted, but didn't know it. They are definitely non-tech folks. Rich Gautier ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 15:29:26 EST5EDT From: Kevin Mobbs Subject: Serial Port MIDI Adap. I was browsing through the recent issue of Electronic Music and saw some ads for adaptors such as you describe. I don't remember the numbers and stuff, but you might go check out the issue. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:38:25 BST From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: Serial Port Midi Adaptor Rich Gautier writes: Does anyone know where I can get a serial port MIDI adaptor? Or where I can get any adaptor which will not require a sound card? Like Manufacturer, or Part Number, even? I got rooked by Tiger Software. They confused their products, and sent me something that can only be hooked into a sound card. I don't want/need/care about sound cards. I have a 286 computer, and my synthesizer has speakers already. It will produce fine sound, but I still need some way to store, edit and replay sequences. This is SOOOOOOO frustrating.!!!!!!!!!!! Then later he says: What I have purchased (Will get it Mon or Tues!) is a MPU-401 compatible midi board with 2 midi cables...59.90 through TigerSoftware. Turns out they had what I wanted, but didn't know it. They are definitely non-tech folks. ---------------- Good choice! I have heard many warnings about serial port MIDI adaptors. MIDI runs at 31 k bits/sec (kbaud) and PC serial ports run at 9.6kbaud or sometimes 19.2 kbaud without problems. LapLink claims to run at 56 kbaud or 115 kbaud but it seems risky. You are much better off with a cheap MPU 401 clone card which will work with nearly all PC music/MIDI software. Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 ------------------------------------------------------------------ JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 13:22:42 EDT From: Rich Gautier Subject: Serial Port Midi Adaptor?? Does anyone know where I can get a serial port MIDI adaptor? Or where I can get any adaptor which will not require a sound card? Like Manufacturer, or Part Number, even? I got rooked by Tiger Software. They confused their products, and sent me something that can only be hooked into a sound card. I don't want/need/care about sound cards. I have a 286 computer, and my synthesizer has speakers already. It will produce fine sound, but I still need some way to store, edit and replay sequences. This is SOOOOOOO frustrating.!!!!!!!!!!! Rich Gautier ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 09:02:05 BST From: Tom WRight Subject: Re: Serial Port Midi Adaptor?? > Does anyone know where I can get a serial port MIDI adaptor? > > Or where I can get any adaptor which will not require a sound card? > > Like Manufacturer, or Part Number, even? > > I got rooked by Tiger Software. They confused their products, and sent me > something that can only be hooked into a sound card. I don't > want/need/care about sound cards. I have a 286 computer, and my > synthesizer has speakers already. It will produce fine sound, but I still > need some way to store, edit and replay sequences. > > This is SOOOOOOO frustrating.!!!!!!!!!!! > > o[B > Rich Gautier Key electronics do a line of serial interfaces the midiator ms101 is the basic onez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 09:02:54 BST From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: Sound Canvas editor Ben Mumphrey writes I'm looking for a Windows-based patch-editor that is compatable with the Roland Sound-Canvas series and the BOSS Dr. Synth. If anyone knows of a versatile shareware program that would work, or one specifically made for these products, please let me know. ------------------------ Song Canvas is a shareware DOS based Sound Canvas editor/librarian. This is available via anonymous ftp at ftp.uwp.edu. I found version 3 at ucsd.edu but it crashed on my system. The readme for this version mentions Ludwig, a windows version, but I havn't found this. Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 ------------------------------------------------------------------ JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 15:09:57 EST5EDT From: Kevin Mobbs Subject: Turtle Beach Multisound? Iam setting up a music workstation (PC). I am trying to decide what to do about sound card/midi hardware. Apparently, the Turtle Beach Multisound is thought to be the best choice. Is the Multisound the best? If so what are its limitations, and what other items (software/equipment) are needed? MOBBSK@DEWEY.UNCG.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 17:31:08 -0500 From: Benjamin Mumphrey Subject: Windows Sound-Canvas Editor I'm looking for a Windows-based patch-editor that is compatable with the Roland Sound-Canvas series and the BOSS Dr. Synth. If anyone knows of a versatile shareware program that would work, or one specifically made for these products, please let me know. Thanks! Ben Mumphrey anchoy@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************