EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 57, Issue 08 This issue's topics: Digital audio in Mac sequencers (2 messages) Help on older Mac MIDI interface (2 messages) LIME INFO PLEASE (3 messages) MIDI software MidiManager 2.02 info needed motu2.41 & sys7 (3 messages) OOPS! was: mac midi adapter or somesuch. specific software request for mac Turbosynth for Mac (2 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 14:17:45 -0400 From: Wayne Legro Subject: Digital audio in Mac sequencers Howdy folks. I'm looking for some answers about the capabilities of the various programs on the Mac that handle recording/playback of both digital audio (to/from hard disk) and MIDI info. I read in a recent review of Pro Tools 2 (in the latest E.M.) that while the basic setup was limited to four simultaneous audio ins/outs (by the hardware, which can be expanded), PT2 would support playback of up to 64 virtual tracks (that is, separate tracks on disk that are mixed in the digital domain down to the available audio outs). At the same time, I've been reading about Studio Vision, Digital Performer, and Cuebase Audio. All of these now support, with appropriate hardware, of course, "four tracks" of digital audio (I believe). I don't know whether this is four tracks in the sense that the Audiomedia 2 or Sound Tools 2 cards have four audio outs, or four tracks in the sense that one can work with only four soundfiles or playlists on disk. In other words, do these programs provide the virtual 64-track digital recorder that Pro Tools 2 does (if I understand it properly), or are they more like digital four track machines? A separate but related question is this: I have a Centris 610; what am I to do about using full size NuBus cards (short of buying a 650)? Does Digidesign have some kind of expansion bay? If so, how much is it? Thanks, Wayne Legro legro@credtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 21:59:45 +0100 From: Steinberg Soft- und Hardware GmbH Subject: Re: Digital audio in Mac sequencers Hi Wayne Legro, > I read in a recent review of Pro Tools 2 (in the latest > E.M.) that while the basic setup was limited to four > simultaneous audio ins/outs (by the hardware, which can > be expanded), PT2 would support playback of up to 64 > virtual tracks (that is, separate tracks on disk that > are mixed in the digital domain down to the available > audio outs). There are no real 64 tracks active at the same time, i.e. they will not be mixed down. A maximum of 16 tracks can be played from hard disks at the same time, when you've got 4 ProTools cards. > At the same time, I've been reading about Studio > Vision, Digital Performer, and Cuebase Audio. All of > these now support, with appropriate hardware, of course, > "four tracks" of digital audio (I believe). I don't know > whether this is four tracks in the sense that the > Audiomedia 2 or Sound Tools 2 cards have four audio outs, > or four tracks in the sense that one can work with only > four soundfiles or playlists on disk. All these sequencers supports the max. number of physical outputs of the sound cards. On a AudioMedia2 or SoundTool2 there are 4 physical channels. And they all supports up to 64 virtual tracks. Though each of these virtual tracks has to be directed to anyone of the physical outputs. This means that you can have 64 tracks in the sequencer outputting on phys. channel 1. Or you can have 8 tracks outputting on channel 1 and 6 tracks on channel 2, etc. Still, only one audio file can be played on one physical channel. As with monophonic synthesizer a later note will cutoff the previous one, even if the previous one is stilled pressed on the keyboard, the latest audio file will cut off the previous one. Track 1 output on channel 1: --file1---------- Track 9 output on channel 1: +++file2++++ will result in physical output on channel 1: -file1--+++file2++++ (Crap graphic, maybe you see the effect) To make it more complicated. If file 1 of the previouse example is longer than file 2, file 1 will be restarted at the end of file 2. This restart is not a start from the beginning of file 1. It is more that, that file 1 played in silence while file 2 was using output 2. > whether this is four tracks in the sense that the > Audiomedia 2 or Sound Tools 2 cards have four audio outs, It is like this. > or four tracks in the sense that one can work with only > four soundfiles or playlists on disk. Some truth lies here in as well. 4 Soundfiles at the same time, but upto 64 tracks in the sequencers can use the 4 phys. channels. > In other words, do these programs provide the virtual > 64-track digital recorder that Pro Tools 2 does (if > I understand it properly), or are they more like digital > four track machines? They are more like digtal 4 tracks, but they offer much more fun. (I will never miss them) So long, Stefan Scheffler PS: Nearly all software packages include an offline mix function which will mix down several channels to a new sound file. So you can extent the channel amount to infinity. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 11:46:41 -0500 From: "DAN FONTAINE-O'CONNELL[COMM.STUD.]CONCORDIA U,MONTREAL, CA" Subject: Help on older Mac MIDI interface To Anyone in Electroglyde: I have either a small connection problem or a mental block and I am hopi ng someone might be able to assist me. I have as a MIDI interface for my mac a SONUS MACFACE, which is a fairly uncomplex interface with two serial I/O ports that may be independently switched on or off, and which in turn provide one MIDI in and three MIDI outs per serial port. Nothing too complex eh! The manual (in my understanding at least) indicates that MIDI devices maybe connected from 'both' of the serial inputs on the Macface to the serial ports on the Mac (which I need for connecting synths through one port and sync device through the other), while having another peripheral, ie a printer or a modem, connected to either serial out port on the Macface alleviating the need to change cables between devices everytime one uses such peripherals. Well I have tried many variations on this configuration with a modem con nected to either of the serial out ports on the Macface and I am unable to get my modem to respond. It appears that info passes from the Mac through the Macface to the modem because the send (SD) light flashes on the modem if I touch a key on the Mac keyboard, but nothing seems to pass from the Modem back to the Mac. I imagine a printer might function in this configuration if it does not need to communicate with the Mac but having no printer I cannot confirm this. As a result I am forced to change cable connections each time I switch devices which is becoming an inconvenience given the frequency. Finally my question arrives!! Does anyone or has anyone experienced this problem and is it resolvable with this interface? As I stated before the manual claims the device should be able to do what I request and my understanding of the I/O ports on the Macface is that the output just bypasses the MIDI interface connecting the peripheral directly to the Mac. Yes I have written to SONUS Corp. however the letter was returned and I have no indication whether the company has moved, folded or whatever. If anyone has a newer address than the one I have (21430 Strathern, suite H, Canoga Park, CA 91304, USA) I would appreciate that also. Any solutions would be gratefully appreciated as I do not have sufficien t funds, much as I would like MOU's MIDI Time Piece, to replace the interface. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 12:58:42 -0400 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Help on older Mac MIDI interface I suggest a 2:1 switchbox. Mac Zone has one on a 6' cable for 35 bucks. 1-800-248-0800. Don't know about out-of-the-US deliveries, etc. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 08:53:04 EDT From: Doug Walker Subject: LIME INFO PLEASE Hi Could someone please tell me clearly where I can ftp a copy of LIME? Are there good docs on it? Thanks Doug Walker dougwalk@vef.north.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 19:44:34 -0500 From: brickman jonathan Subject: Re: LIME INFO PLEASE What the heck is LIME? ||Jonathan E. Brickman brickman@acc.wuacc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 02:06:22 GMT From: Rikhardur H Fridriksson Subject: Re: LIME INFO PLEASE > Could someone please tell me clearly where I can ftp a copy of LIME? > Are there good docs on it? Lime is being developed at the University of Illinois, and since it is not (yet) distributed commercially, that is where you should get it. I don't know about an ftp address, but you can get a demo verion for free (and presumably also information on how to get the proper program) by sending an inquiry to "lime@uiuc.edu". > What the heck is LIME? Lime is a notation editor working closely with "Tilia" music representation system, providing music transcription that is far more accurate than can be done through midi. For more information, check out the latest issue of Computer Music Journal (Volume 17, #3, Fall 1993). On page 43 there is an extensive article on Tilia and Lime. Rikhardur H. Fridriksson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 13:33:00 EDT From: John Alexander Subject: Re: MIDI software have you considered using MAX or IRCAM MAX? they both offer almost total MIDI and DSP control, and it sounds like that would fit your bill. -john alexander ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 13:24:42 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: MidiManager 2.02 info needed I'm trying to write a piece fo software that will be recognised by Apple's Midi Manager as a Midi program and hence be allowed to send and receive Midi data. Basically the plan is to create a Sound byte player using the Mac's internal sounds (voice snippets, so 8-bit resolution isn't too bad) that is triggered by Midi data on certain channels coming from my Sequencer (also on the Mac). -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 15:05:28 EDT From: ronin Subject: motu2.41 & sys7 Organization: The American University ok, here's a quick, geeky little query for y'all... howcome performer 2.41 crashes like a spruce goose on the mac IIci under system 7? -----------< Cognitive Dissonance is a 20th Century Art Form >----------- Eric Harnden (Ronin) or The American University Physics Dept. 4400 Mass. Ave. NW, Washington, DC, 20016-8058 (202) 885-2748 (with Voice Mail) ---------------------< Join the Cognitive Dissidents >------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 19:14:44 +0100 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: motu2.41 & sys7 >howcome performer 2.41 crashes like a spruce goose on the mac IIci under >system 7? 2.41? Goodness. I remember that when I were a lad. Five years ago, I think. Having said which, the IIci is sufficiently similar to the SE/30 and its ilk that I wouldn't expect any obvious problems, even under System 7. I bet the copy protection is buggered. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 07:01:37 GMT From: Jeremy Wells Subject: Re: motu2.41 & sys7 ronin writes: >ok, here's a quick, geeky little query for y'all... >howcome performer 2.41 crashes like a spruce goose on the mac IIci under >system 7? Just a guess, but maybe because the current version of Performer is now 4.2, and 2.41 was written long before system 7 was a "apple" in Apple's engineer's eyes... -Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 10:09:35 -0700 From: Michael O'Hara Subject: OOPS! was: mac midi adapter or somesuch. I uploaded the uncorrected version of the macdelux.gif print - two wires were moved, and I never updated the print (after I only built one :) ) Tcorrect file, and SEA have been placed at the FTP site anon ftp to ftp.netcom.com cd pub/cetacean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 09:45:31 EST From: Steven Cantor Subject: specific software request for mac Organization: Harvard University a retired gentleman here asked me yesterday to recommend some mac software for him that would allow him to enter music for piano (from mac keyboard, i'm sure he has no midi device, but needs to enter music on two systems), request to have the music he has entered transposed to another key, and then have this transposed score printed. any suggestions? (we don't want to spend much money here, and ease of use it very important. obviously, sophisticated functionality is unimportant beyond the stated requirements.) thanks in advance, s. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Cantor SLC@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 00:13:57 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Turbosynth for Mac I just picked up a demo of a program by Digidesign called Turbosynth. I believe it was a pre-release version and it had a 1988 (C) date on it. I've never heard anything about this software before, but it seemed fairly useful, even with it's limited options due to it being a demo copy. Did this product ever make it to the market and if so can anyone tell me more about the full version of it and a lead as to where i could obtain a copy? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 07:00:09 GMT From: Jeremy Wells Subject: Re: Turbosynth for Mac Arne Claassen ISE writes: >I just picked up a demo of a program by Digidesign called Turbosynth. I believe >it was a pre-release version and it had a 1988 (C) date on it. I've never >heard anything about this software before, but it seemed fairly useful, even >with it's limited options due to it being a demo copy. >Did this product ever make it to the market and if so can anyone tell me more >about the full version of it and a lead as to where i could obtain a copy? Turbosynth just released an update to TurboSynth 2.0 (which was released in '89) called TurboSynth SC. With this update, TurboSynth now becomes fully Sys 7 compatible, but loses *any* direct support for samplers (you have to use thier cards or another program to get the sound from your sampler to TurboSynth). -Jeremy ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************