EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 58, Issue 08 This issue's topics: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... (8 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 14:40:15 -0600 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... Ok, so it is only somewhat music related, but it should be a common plague to Mac-MIDI users. I'm trying to get rid of Appletalk. I first thought that i'd just disable it and leave it be, but the bastard turns itself back on upon reboot. Now, i've come to the conclusion that, not having a printer or modem on my music Mac, i want to kill Appletalk, eradicate it from my system and give me a little more RAM to play with as an added bonus. But since Appletalk does not come up with an extension, i have yet to figure out how you scrape that leech of my system. Yes, i am frustrated. Everytime i reboot, the bastard is back... -- Arne F. Claassen |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4 | E pluribus Moo" | Mac Centris 650 | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 13:11:00 GMT From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... Arne Claassen writes Ok, so it is only somewhat music related, but it should be a common plague to Mac-MIDI users. I'm trying to get rid of Appletalk. I first thought that i'd just disable it and leave it be, but the bastard turns itself back on upon reboot. Now, i've come to the conclusion that, not having a printer or modem on my music Mac, i want to kill Appletalk, eradicate it from my system and give me a little more RAM to play with as an added bonus. But since Appletalk does not come up with an extension, i have yet to figure out how you scrape that leech of my system. Yes, i am frustrated. Everytime i reboot, the bastard is back... -------------------------- Try Apple menu, chooser, bottom right - Apple Talk, click on inactive. I'm not sure if this survives a restart. Also you can remove AppleShare from System Folder, Extensions Folder. This allows you to do file sharing between Macs. All of the above assumes you are running System 7. Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 ------------------------------------------------------------------ JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 10:51:48 CST From: John Eichenseer Subject: Appletalk >Ok, so it is only somewhat music related, but it should be a common plague >to Mac-MIDI users. I'm trying to get rid of Appletalk. I first thought that >i'd just disable it and leave it be, but the bastard turns itself back on >upon reboot. Are you running System 7? I thought this was changed with System 7 Tune-up, so that Appletalk remembers its state. You might want to check out a utility called "AppleTalkOn", which is not exactly what you want, but may help. It is available at the usual mac ftp sites (info-mac, etc.). Here is an excerpt from the README: "This is an application extension ('appe') which does almost nothing but idle until it is quit, which usually only happens when you Restart or Shutdown your Macintosh. At this time, AppletalkOn will examine the current state of Appletalk and turn it on. It will also save the state of AppleTalk and optionally restore that state when you boot up next time. "The reason this extension is necessary is that, starting with System 7 TuneUp, AppleTalk does not load into memory if it is off at startup time. This requires you to turn AppleTalk on and then restart. This is annoying at best, and thus was born AppleTalkOn." hope this helps, jhno ....... . . .. . . . . . . . . Joh n E i c h e n s e e r D e l i c a t e E a r (512) 458-6474 eichen@trilogy.com . . . . . . . .. . .... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 11:25:43 -0600 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... > Try Apple menu, chooser, bottom right - Apple Talk, click on inactive. > I'm not sure if this survives a restart. > > Also you can remove AppleShare from System Folder, Extensions Folder. This > allows you to do file sharing between Macs. > > All of the above assumes you are running System 7. > > Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking > Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom > E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > JET is Europe's fusion research project > Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET Ah, once again, i forget to give sufficient information for people to help me. Forgot to mention, that yes i am using System 7 and no the inactivating Appletalk in the Chooser did not work. Of course i'd already dumped appleshare and various other things, only to have just found out that that seems to have been the problem. I reinstalled appleshare and now, if i deactivate appletalk from the chooser it appears to stay dead. I'm still using 2.5MB for my system which is annoying, especially when Musicshop decides to kick in virtual memory. (crawl, stagger, stagger, crawl, crawl) Thanks anyway... -- Arne F. Claassen |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4 | E pluribus Moo" | Mac Centris 650 | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 22:30:54 PST From: "John M. Stokes" Subject: Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... Glad to see you worked out you Appletalk prob. Perhaps I can help on freeing up some more system memory. Perhaps you already know this, but there is a large number of rather useless things in your system folder, which you can drag out and cut down the amount of RAM those critters eat up. Just make a folder titled "Discontinued Items" or something similar that you understand and drag into it the following items: -Apple menu items: Do you ever use things like the notepad or scrapbook? t Then take 'em out! They're only eating memory. -Control panels: Any Panels you don't use (like that "Map" thing)? Pull it. -Extensions: If you don't have an express modem, pull all the stuff that applies to it out of the Extensions folder (Control Panels too) also, any other extension you don't use often or think you can live without. -Fonts: Here's the biggie. Unless you're doing serious printings from the desktop or TeachText, you don't need half the fonts you've got in the system folder. You'll notice that there is a font file for every SIZE of every font, not just every font. You don't need all those sizes in there since the Mac can calculate and bit map a new font size. They're just in there to make the fonts look better (a computer calculated resizing doesn't look as good as an original in that size). I believe 12pt. is the most versatile size and will give you the best looking resizings. So, pull everything out of the font folder except the "1 2pt." files of the fonts you want. Hope this helps! -John Stokes Stokesj@biola.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:24:44 +0100 From: Hmeljak Dimitrij Subject: Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... >Just make a folder titled "Discontinued Items" or something similar I think this is not a good idea: if you put everything in int, youdon't use, then you'll end with a folder full of fonts, cdevs, ... I use Extension Manager 1.8 by Ricardo Batista, it's (c) Apple 1990-1992 and you find it for free on most ftp sites. It makes all the job of creating folders for control panels, fonts,... for you, and you can have many configurations. Try it! As for fonts eatng ram, I don't think so. THey eat disk space, but they are loaded in RAM only when you need them. Just try to measure any difference of free RAM with or without them. Better, read the files:System 7 Pack!, Sys 7.1 Notes, ... you'll find them on sumex-aim or other sites. And also desk acc's usually don't eat RAM. This applies to notepad, scrapbook and others. System extensions eat memory! Closeview, MacTCP, AutoDoubler :) there is one thing to look: I don't find wise to use a big disk buffer like >128K and then your applications use virtual memory couse ram is all full. Better, try to boot without any not indispensable extension, virtual memory off and a modest buffer. My System RAM Use is approx. 2MB with AppleTalk ON! And I have all the fonts I like in the System Folder. hope it helps... Dimitrij Hmeljak hmeljakd@uts340.univ.trieste.it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:09:54 -0600 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... Thanks for the Memory reduction tips for Mac. I've pretty much pulled everything i don't use out, although i still ahve various versions of true type and adode fonts hanging around. They've got to go... Update on my Appletalk. I think it is fixed, although the first time i started up last night, it was on again. I had a couple of restarts that night, but it stayed off. It's still a mystery to me.. -- Arne F. Claassen |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4 | E pluribus Moo" | Mac Centris 650 | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:05:21 PST From: "John M. Stokes" Subject: Re: Kill Appletalk! Die, die, die... Extension manager sounds like a good idea, I did not know of it. As to the "Discontinued" folder, obviously, you're not restricted to one. You can make as many as you want to organize the various discontinued items. The point is to get them out of their respective folders, where the system looks for them, so the system doesn't use them. As to fonts eating memory, I believe the system fonts do (though it may be marginal- I'm not sure how much RAM they actually use) since those are the fonts used by your system applications (the desktop, DA's, and others) and hence are (I believe) loaded into RAM with the system. Any application - based fonts are loaded when you boot that application, obviously, which is why eliminating system fonts wouldn't affect them. The best idea is to try booting with and without those fonts and see how much difference it really makes. Naturally, your extensions and Control Panels are going to be the biggest memory munchers. Use as few as you need. John Stokes Stokesj@biola.edu ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************