EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 58, Issue 11 This issue's topics: ***ATTENTION CSOUND USERS*** .WAV files from 486 Csound CSOUND (3 messages) Csound for NEXT Csound, Nextstep, &tc. (5 messages) Real-Time Csound!!! (2 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 14:58:16 GMT From: Piche Jean Subject: ***ATTENTION CSOUND USERS*** A new Csound mailing list was just started by Martin Dupras, of the Universite de Montreal. This takes the prize for the mailing list you always wanted but were afraid to ask... Do subsctibe !!! Welcome to the Csound Mailing List! Arising from the increasing popularity of Csound among internet users comes this new forum for Csound users. Objectives: - general discussion about csound - exchange orchestras and scores - encourage discussion regarding the programming of Csound opcodes - discuss ways of doing things in csound etc. This mailing-list is kindly provided by James Andrews, who works as a sys-admin at the Exeter University Maths Dept. The list is setup as a 'reflector' which means that anymail to: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk gets mailed out to all the people on the list *instantly*. There is no moderator. So, *please* use netiquette! To subscribe or unsubscribe, mail to: csound-request@maths.ex.ac.uk and include, as usual, in the first line of the message 'subscribe yourname@yourplace' or 'unsubscribe yourname@yourplace'. Be patient and comprehensive: for a while this will be done manually by James. Formats: When posting orchestras, scores, code, etc.: please use text! Label every part, and make them easily distinguishable; remember that csound runs on many platforms, and sometimes there are some minor changes to do before running it (depending on your version, etc...). For now, this will probably be the best way. If it proves ineffective, we'll find something... :> Document any code you provide; in many cases something that's not clear is something lost. Feel free to e-mail me (duprasm@ere.umontreal.ca) if there's something you don't want to post, something that's not clear, whatever. I hope everybody will enjoy! Regards, - Martin Dupras ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:51:41 -0800 From: Craig Meyer Subject: .WAV files from 486 Csound > I'm trying to get into Csound myself, but to get output to a Sound Blaster > card, all you have to do is play the .WAV output file using the Sound Blaster > included utilities. I think. It is possible that Csound may use a > non-universal .WAV format; does anyone have comments? > ||Jonathan E. Brickman > brickman@acc.wuacc.edu I've got the 486 version from the bath FTP site, and with the -W switch, it'll give you a .WAV file. I've compiled all of the sample Csound .orc and .sco files, and about 70% of the outputted .WAV files have had an ERROR at then end of them. If I load them into my toy .WAV Windows editor/player, at the end I often get this "Data Read Chunk" error, or something like that. When I play it with the DOS command-line WAV player command, though, it plays, and then goes into an infinite loop at the end, so I have to CTRL-C to get back to the C: prompt. Wierd, huh? As for being able to do this stuff in REAL TIME on a 486 (like mine), I SERIOUSLY doubt it. For really simple .orc and .sco files, this box of mine might be able compile a five-minute song in five minutes, but that tells me that it COULDN'T keep up with anything half-way complicated. It's a 486 66 with a 128k cache. I sure appreciate this discussion of Csound, for I'm counting on it and my SoundBlaster to produce my music, once I learn Csound well enough (it's a pretty-good manual). That's right, old-timers, he's gonna try to make electronic music without a keyboard! (I plan to "prototype" my songs with a MIDI sequencer and the SoundBlaster) Am I stupid or not? Craig Meyer Harvey Mudd College Craig_Meyer@hmc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 10:43:08 -0600 From: Stephen David Beck Subject: Re: CSOUND There is a version of the Csound manual in MS Word format. It is listed as Csound.man.hqx (BinHex conversion required). It is a Macintosh file, so it may not help you. The ps version of the manual can be printed at any decent print shop or desktop publishing spot, but it will cost you. To my knowledge, there is no ps-ascii translator, although it would be nice to have one. The problem is that postscript code is often heavily imbedded with lots of display commands. These have an unerring tendency to break up displayed text into unintelligible units. I am not a PC person, but there must be a Windows or DOS utility that displays postscript files. Good luck. Stephen David Beck Electro-Acoustic Music Studios Louisiana State University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:06:31 PST From: "Craig R. McClanahan" Subject: Re: CSOUND >>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen David Beck writes: Stephen> I am not a PC person, but there must be a Windows or DOS Stephen> utility that displays postscript files. Good luck. There is indeed such a program. It's called ghostscript, and accepts as input Postscript level 1 (and some Postscript level 2). The output can be to a wide variety of printers and/or to some graphics storage formats like .PCX. Versions for DOS and Windows are available, along with UNIX versions. Ghostscript is available from the Free Software Foundation (the makers of the GNU C compiler and a bunch of other really high quality free software). Write to gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu for more information on how to find and download it. (That all being said, I'm not sure it's worth the effort for a one time need to print a manual, if you can find them in a different format. But Postscript is becoming more and more common, so it's a nice tool to have around.) ---------- Craig R. McClanahan EMAIL: crm@umpqua.portal.com DAT Services Phone: 503-643-4331 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 04:54:26 GMT From: Jeff Dubin Subject: Re: CSOUND >I am not a PC person, but there must be a Windows or DOS utility that displays >postscript files. Good luck. > >Stephen David Beck >Electro-Acoustic Music Studios >Louisiana State University You may want to try gnu's Ghostscript which is widely availible... probably from simtel mirrors (oak.oakland.edu), but definately archie-able. I know that this program can convert to non-PS laser printers, as well as popular graphic file formats (ie: .gif), so I'm sure you could get it to output plain ascii. BE WARNED!!! The last time I used this program, it was a monster! Not very user friendly, but follow the examples and you should be fine. There are DOS and Windows versions, and I *think* there may be a Windows front end availible also. If I can convert the MS-Word for Mac file to my PC, I may post the docs here if there is significant interest, or probably just mail it to the users who are in need. Jeff jdubin@american.edu jdubin@world.std.com (Reply to american.edu, not jdubin.hughes.american.edu. Thanks!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 12:19:24 -0800 From: Craig Meyer Subject: Csound for NEXT I'm starting to get into Csound for the IBM's and Macs lying around here, and then just today, someone brings down a NextStation that had been gathering dust upstairs. And then I remember somebody mentioning a version of Csound for the Next that uses a very friendly graphical user interface, as opposed to the "secret code" I'm learning now. Where can I get this Csound for the Next? Thanks in advance, Craig Meyer Harvey Mudd College ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 17:56:20 -0500 From: The Bare Facts BBS Subject: Csound, Nextstep, &tc. Re: Csound for NEXT > And then I remember somebody mentioning a version of Csound > for the Next that uses a very friendly graphical user interface, as > opposed to the "secret code" I'm learning now. In relation to that, I also understand that NeXTStep is now available from some ftp site (obviously I am quoting hearsay !) which SUPPOSEDLY would allow this nifty neato NeXT interface to work on, oh, say a 486. Anyone? R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 18:32:05 -0600 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Csound, Nextstep, &tc. > In relation to that, I also understand that NeXTStep is now available from > some ftp site (obviously I am quoting hearsay !) which SUPPOSEDLY would allow > this nifty neato NeXT interface to work on, oh, say a 486. I would find that unlikely, since NextSTEP is now being sold commercially for about $400 for the Intel platform. In case the above refers to the original NextStep that was run on NeXT machines, it can only be run on NeXT machines, it was never compatible with the generic UNIX box. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Arne F. Claassen | | | | "It is by my will alone I set my mind in motion" | | finger for PGP public key | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 22:03:02 -0600 From: Stephen David Beck Subject: Re: Csound, Nextstep, &tc. Lets separate fact from fiction here. Csound runs under UNIX on Sun, DEC, and SGI platforms. Csound also runs on Macintosh computers as a Mac application. These platforms are supported by MIT, and the code needed to run it is available from the Media Lab's ftp site. Csound also runs under UNIX on NeXTStep computers, but there are some problems. NeXTStep rewrote their MIDI drivers for v3.0, but the Csound code which handles NS MIDI i/o was written for NS 2.x. Hence, the current version of Csound will not compile under NS 3.x. I am currently working on rewriting this section but that task competes with teaching and grading. I hope to have this done by end of the month. Pete Yadlovsky (sp?) of the Univerity of Virginia wrote a nice front-end for Csound on the NeXT called Snd. It is available along with other niceties from uvaarpa.virginia.edu by anonymous ftp. The only major drawback to this app is that is uses an old version of Csound (the current full version is June92 with a beta version as of Oct93, Snd uses a version earlier than that). You should be able to compile the newer version of UNIX, but you'll have to use the ol' familiar command line. Hope this helps. Stephen David Beck Electro-Acoustic Music Studis Louisiana State University ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 10:18:04 -0500 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Csound, Nextstep, &tc. >In relation to that, I also understand that NeXTStep is now available from >some ftp site (obviously I am quoting hearsay !) which SUPPOSEDLY would allow >this nifty neato NeXT interface to work on, oh, say a 486. > >Anyone? I certainly hope not, because NeXT is now selling it and would not doubt be very upset... --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 19:41:41 -0500 From: The Bare Facts BBS Subject: Re: Csound, Nextstep, &tc. Many thanks for the bonafide CSound info. I personally like the command line stuff :-) but...you know, techies gotta look for new toys. R --- Origin: The Bare Facts BBS * U of AL School of Music * @tbf.musicnet.ua.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:21:58 CST From: dbarlow@VAX1.UMKC.EDU Subject: Real-Time Csound!!! I am really excited to see the interest in CSound. I have worked with this program for about three years now. I was wondering, has anyone experimented with CSound in real time on PC machines. Does anyone know how to redirect the output of CSound directly to a 16-bit, Sound Blaster compatible sound card? I know this works well on an IRIS Indigo, but for those of us who can't afford such a beast, IBM seems to be a valid alternative. I have a 50mhz 486, so I am pretty sure that it can handle the throughput. I am in direct contact with John at Bath, the man who ported CSound to the IBM platform. We are both doing research on this idea. Can any of you CSound buffs help with this? Dustin Barlow M-Pact Center - University of Missouri-Kansas CIty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:36:29 -0600 From: brickman jonathan Subject: Re: Real-Time Csound!!! I'm trying to get into Csound myself, but to get output to a Sound Blaster card, all you have to do is play the .WAV output file using the Sound Blaster included utilities. I think. It is possible that Csound may use a non-universal .WAV format; does anyone have comments? ||Jonathan E. Brickman brickman@acc.wuacc.edu ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************