EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 58, Issue 23 This issue's topics: 'Score' Notation Program .MID VS. .WAV dumb midi playback programs Finale upgrade 3.0.1 (3 messages) HELP WANTED w/ MIDI sequence conversion Info Kawai software Mac utility to create sound files for PCs? Midi Download Midi I/F Midi Scan (3 messages) Midi Volume Control of Matrix6r (3 messages) MIDI vs WAVE file (5 messages) MIDI VS. WAVE file (4 messages) Misc. Product Info Misc. Product Info. (3 messages) Monitor Headphones (5 messages) MPU 401 (2 messages) MPU 401 Book (INFO requested by Dan Schaaf) Proteus Q: Yamaha E-mail address? Rhodes-660, U20 Clone? Soundblaster SY85 Theremin (2 messages) Triggering Keyboards (2 messages) Using Proteus & MasterTrax Pro Wave Blaster... (2 messages) Yamaha (2 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 18:50:51 CST From: FA19000 Subject: 'Score' Notation Program I have heard that 'Score' for the PC is the only notation program from which music publishers like Peters and Boosey & Hawkes will accept manuscripts. I have heard that it is easier to use than Finale. Does anyone have experience with this program? Janice Saffir Northeast MO State Univ. Kirksville ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 05:13:53 -0700 From: "WEN-PING CHENG, COMPUTER INFORMATION SYSTEM, ASU" Subject: Re: .MID VS. .WAV Hi, This is Jessica, the woman who asked questions about the difference betweem MIDI files & wave files. I would like to thank you all for giving me so much information about the question. It helps very much, and I really appreciate that. By the way, will anyone tell me how to find "FAQ"? Cause I've just joined this for one week, I still have much to learn. Sorry about that. Again, thank you for your time and help. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 17:16:13 GMT From: james lowell noxon Subject: Re: dumb midi playback programs I tried to get the notes to cut out, but I was unsuccessful. I agree that the processor on the MPU card does off-load some of the work by calculating the note off times ( I think ? ). The serial port interfaces don't do any of this work as I understand it. Other midi-philes may find different results as my use is atypical. I play jazz, using the sequencer as a recorder: I never use the metronome - drummer hears no click I leave the tempo set at 100 ( Cakewalk default ) the resulting midi files are not 'lined-up' with bar lines thus the files are un-printable as music, unless the fit-improvisation function is used, or the barlines are dragged into place via MIDI-paint. -- PJ Noxon - aka - Park James Noxon president of MIDIMIX - inventor of the midi merge jnoxon@indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 00:56:44 +0100 From: Gonzalo Torrente Ballester Subject: Finale upgrade 3.0.1 I am a Finale 3.0 user. I've been told that there's an upgrade to 3.0.1, but it seems impossible for me to get it in Spain. Can anyone inform me how to get it via Internet? Alvaro Torrente torrente@rs6000.usal.es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 05:41:37 EST From: Paul Pizzi Subject: Finale upgrade 3.0.1 > I am a Finale 3.0 user. I've been told that there's an upgrade to > 3.0.1, but it seems impossible for me to get it in Spain. Finale 3.0.1. is a maintenance update, practically it just fixes some minor but rather annoying bugs found on some newer machines. If you're using an older machine you shouldn't bother too much (and by "older" I mean you got your mac 6 months ago :-) ). As far as I know Coda Music Software keeps track of all international users and if you've sent in your registration card you can phone or fax them and I'm sure they'll tell you the fastest way to get your update (I got mine few weeks after I upgraded to v.3.0 in the form of a small program that automatical- ly updates your installed software.) Here are the numbers: --------------------- tel.(612)-937 9611 fax (612)-937 9760 If you wanna reach'em via email: cdolan@aol.com I hope it's enough. :-) ============================ === S S S PAOLO PIZZI S S Time Elapsed Art Music S S Los Angeles - U.S.A. S S S S-----------------------------S S S S email: S S pizzip@aol.com S S pizzi@delphi.com S S 72772.234@compuserve.com S S S =============================== - Patria est ubicumque est bene (Pacuvius) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 08:49:36 -0500 From: Mark G Simon Subject: Re: Finale upgrade 3.0.1 > Finale 3.0.1. is a maintenance update, practically it just fixes some minor > but rather annoying bugs found on some newer machines. If you're using an My Mac is a IIsi vintage 1991 and Finale 3.0 was making it crash all over the place when doing speedy note entry from a MIDI keyboard. When I called Coda to complain they sent me MIDI Manager which they said would fix the problem, which it certainly did. MIDI Manager also made it impossible to run Performer, so I was in the position of having to take MIDI Manager in and out of the system folder and restart the machine each time I wanted to go from Finale to Performer or vice versa. Finale 3.0.1 fixed that and now I've unceremoniously dumped MIDI Manager to the trash can. 3.0.1 also makes the staff and note expressions menus draw themselves much more quickly (hooray). Anyway I think it's the model of the Mac, not the age, that determined whether Finale 3.0 acted buggy or not. --Mark Simon mgs2@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 19:42:58 GMT From: Dan Stratton Subject: HELP WANTED w/ MIDI sequence conversion Hello All, As a favor to a friend in Florida, I need to know how to convert general MIDI sequence file from a ROLAND SD35 to use it on a YAMAHA PSR5700. My understanding is that the files were originally made with a PC and need to be converted to use with a Mac -something about converting MIDI files 1Us to 0Us. This is really out of my range of experience, but I am trying to help a friend. E Mail any suggestions to stratton@cwis.unomaha.edu Thanks, Dan -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dan Stratton Internet: stratton@cwis.unomaha.edu Graphic Artist & Mac User America On Line: Stratton D FAX: 402-895-7169 Compu$erve: 70421,1705 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:08:53 MET From: Schuster Richard Subject: Info could someone tell me what exactly is the midi file format and for what it is good for? thanx! ********************************************************** *Richard Schuster * *University of Innsbruck, Austria * * * *network adress: * *schuste2@sowi-nov.uibk.ac.at * ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 13:52:00 GMT From: Michael J Snell Subject: Kawai software As one of the increasing hordes with a home PC, a long standing interest in electronic music and a wish to develop this interest into a (low cost) hobby I recently purchased a second hand Kawai K4r module, PSR 300 keyboard and a midi card. I'm having great fun with this set up but would like to get hold of a DOS or Windows patch editor for the Kawai. Does anyone know an ftp site or any other source where one might be found? Also, I seem to remember someone mentioning a while ago a list specifically for Kawai. Anyone with details? Many thanks Mike Snell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 00:44:41 EST From: "David A. Roth" Subject: Mac utility to create sound files for PCs? Does anyone have or know of a Mac utility to create sound files that can be played on a PC? Thanks in advance, David david@roth-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 13:08:14 -0500 From: Phil Somebody-or-another Subject: Midi Download Hey, how's it going. I am running a korg a-4 effects processor. After programming the effects, it is possible to dump them to a midi filer, so that the programs can be re-loaded in event of the processor crashing. I don't have a midi filer, but I have the turtle beach multisound card and a bunch of sequencing and composition software. Is it possible to send the midi data from the processor directly to the computer, and have IT write the data to a file? thanks, Phil SPS5251@SIENA.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 10:17:53 -0800 From: Dave Adams Subject: Midi I/F Help, I'm new to the internet so please excuse any blunders. My question is this. Is there a tech kind of person out there that can show me how to make an Interface From a Pro Audio Spectrum 16 board in a PC to a standard midi interface? ..tia. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 12:20:23 EST From: David Harris Subject: Midi Scan I am interested in buying software to translate musical scores into midi programs (standard midi format). I have heard of only one such program, MidiScan. Has anyone had any experience with this program, of seen any reviews of it published? Know of any alternatives for the IBM PC? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 07:54:08 PST From: Bill Felton Subject: Re: Midi Scan I have a copy of MidiScan, and can report that it does indeed work. I'm pretty pleased with it, in fact. [Perhaps the secret to being pleased with it is to keep your expectations down, though... ;-> ] Like all OCR programs, it is not perfect in its recognition -- fermatas tend to be recognized as whole notes, two eighth note rests one above the other can be recognized as a 2/2 time signature, etc. But its no worse than any other OCR scheme, either -- figure on fixing between 1 and 4 'elements' per musical line, per staff. The best piece of advice I could give would be to get a full page scanner rather than a hand scanner for creating the tiff files of the score. The hand scanner is a *REAL* pain!! The recognition is slow-ish (minutes per page, even on a 66mhz 486), but the editing facilities allow pretty quick and easy fix-up of 'mis-recognized' elements and the subsequent creation of the midi output file is very fast. Enjoy! Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 09:06:39 -0800 From: Doug Wellington Subject: Re: Midi Scan David Harris writes: > I am interested in buying software to translate musical scores into >midi programs (standard midi format). I have heard of only one such program, >MidiScan. Has anyone had any experience with this program, of seen any >reviews of it published? Know of any alternatives for the IBM PC? MIDIScan is indeed the only program that does this. Of course, if you're a good piano player and have a MIDI keyboard, it would probably be faster to just play it into something like Encore, Music Printer Plus, or (painful) Finale. I have a demo of MIDIScan, and I'll get it uploaded sometime this week (before Thanksgiving). It really is the only way to fly for those of us who don't play keys and want to get sheet music into MIDI. Email me if you want flyers or prices, etc. (Try doug@arizona.edu or doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov) -Doug Music Supply and Repair Service 2710 N. Paseo Tierra Verde Tucson, AZ 85749 USA (602) 760-0425 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 16:12:00 LCL From: Don Vincent Subject: Midi Volume Control of Matrix6r I hope that someone on the list can give me some advise. I am trying to get an Oberheim Matrix 6R to respond to Midi Volume Control Messages coming in from a master keyboard. All my other gear is responding properly to volume changes sent out by the master keyboard--only the Matrix is not responding at all. I have read through the Matrix's documentation, but it has not been much help. I want to be able to increase/decrease volume at will from the master keyboard, and ultimately through Cakewake for Windows. If no one know how to help me with my specific problem, can you perhaps put me in touch with some kind of technical support number/list server for Oberheim equipment? Thanks for your help. Don V. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 08:42:52 PST From: metlay Subject: Re: Midi Volume Control of Matrix6r >I hope that someone on the list can give me some advise. I am trying to >get an Oberheim Matrix 6R to respond to Midi Volume Control Messages >coming in from a master keyboard. All my other gear is responding >properly to volume changes sent out by the master keyboard--only the >Matrix is not responding at all. I have read through the Matrix's >documentation, but it has not been much help. I want to be able to >increase/decrease volume at will from the master keyboard, and ultimately >through Cakewake for Windows. To do this, you must program volume control directly into every patch you wish to control in that manner. In other words, you must assign a modulation of VCA envelope depth or overall VCA level by a lever or pedal, and assign that lever or pedal to work on CC 7 in the MIDI page. Unless the Matrix-6 is fundamentally different from the Xpander in this regards, there is NO global MIDI volume control-- a feature I miss, but which you can learn to live without or even turn to your advantage (I've found it useful to be able to control my Xpander's volume level with CCs other than 7). >If no one know how to help me with my specific problem, can you perhaps >put me in touch with some kind of technical support number/list server >for Oberheim equipment? If you DO find out a working number for Oberheim, let me know. I run a small mailing list for Xpander and Matrix-12 users (not matrix-6 or 6r or 1000, sorry) and I can't keep up with Obie's address changes, phone number changes, and wafflings between life and death. And as for a list server, the only company that has one in the MI industry is Waldorf. Nice idea, but most companies wouldn't want to waste the time on it and give no support to the many third-party lists out there. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I incorporated the sound into my dreams...but I didn't wake up." (suzanne) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1993 21:28:00 PST From: Loren Nerell Subject: Re: Midi Volume Control of Matrix6r Don - I use to work at Oberhiem back when the 6r was new and as I remember the Matrix 6 and 6r did not have midi volume control. The way that i use to do it was by assigning one of the pedals to volume instead of the normal setting. The only problem with this is you have cahnge this in every patch in the matrix if you want this to be uniform. You can change the pedal settings in the master edit section, under midi they sould be numbers 06 and 07.You sould also check which souftware version you have as they released some updates. The last version that I remember is 2.13. As far as contacting Oberhiem, Gibson bought out what was left about three years ago. they moved everythin back to there main headquarters soem time last year, so give them a call. If you need any more help feal free to ask. - Loren Nerell estuzs3@mvs.oac.ucla.edu > I hope that someone on the list can give me some advise. I am trying to > get an Oberheim Matrix 6R to respond to Midi Volume Control Messages > coming in from a master keyboard. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:38:54 GMT From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: Re: MIDI vs WAVE file Jessica writes: I am doing a project of multimedia presentation using Windows software now. I would like to know the difference between a MIDI file (FILE.mid) and a wave file (FILE.wav), and the pros and cons of MIDI files vs. wave files. Hope that this question would not be too naive, since I am still a novice in this field. Any precious feedback to this topic will be very appreciated. ------------------------------ A .WAV file is like a tape recording of a sound. WAV files can either be mono or stereo. They can also be 8 bit (OK) or 16 bit (better). WAV files are big, 10 Mbytes per 16 bit stereo minute or 2.5 Mbytes per 8 bit mono minute. The only thing that affects the sound is the quality of the soundcard and speakers. A .MID file is a sequence of instructions such as note on (together with pitch and loudness), note off, select an instrument voice (e.g. piano, clarinet etc.), move a control such as sustain or pitch bend etc. Accompanying the instructions is timing information. MIDI files are much smaller than WAV files. A ten minute piece with several simultaneous voices might only be a few tens of kilobytes. To play a .MID file you need to use either a sound card with built in tone generation (most sound cards have this) or the MIDI interface on a sound card or a dedicated MIDI interface together with a MIDI cable and a MIDI instrument, either a keyboard or an expander (an expander is a just a tone generator without any keyboard that can only be used through MIDI). MIDI files in general will sound very different on different soundcards and different MIDI expanders or keyboard instruments. If you have a piece of software called a sequencer, this allows you to read a MIDI file and change the types of voice used, change the pitch and duration and volume of individual notes. Hope this is helpful Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 ------------------------------------------------------------------ JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 16:16:11 +0000 From: Russell Subject: Re: MIDI vs WAVE file On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Steven D. Bramson wrote: > > .... > A .WAV file is like a tape recording of a sound. WAV files can either be > mono or stereo. They can also be 8 bit (OK) or 16 bit (better). WAV files > are big, 10 Mbytes per 16 bit stereo minute or 2.5 Mbytes per 8 bit mono > minute. The only thing that affects the sound is the quality of the > soundcard and speakers. > > .... The amount of memory required per minute isn't only dependant upon the bit size, but largely affected by the sample rate. Its possible to sample a sound in 8bit that sounds better than one in 16bit, theoretically its possible to sample a sound in 2bits that could sound better than a 16bit sample, but, to do this you would have to sample at rates in the 1000KHz approx!! Gavin Russell, csed3bz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 16:21:31 -0700 From: john krikawa Subject: Re: MIDI vs WAVE file Jessica, you're lucky you're a woman, because if I asked these guys the same question, I'd be torched....burnt up....'go read the FAQ'..nag, nag. _ -john ___ __/ | ___ | | JKrikawa@CCIT.Arizona.Edu | |___ ________ \______/ \__________ Tucson, AZ ___../\./\/ \____/ \____ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:45:43 CET From: Jack Latanowicz Subject: Re: MIDI vs WAVE file On Fri, 5 Nov 1993 16:21:31 -0700 john krikawa said: >Jessica, you're lucky you're a woman, because if I asked these guys the >same question, I'd be torched....burnt up....'go read the FAQ'..nag, nag. > _ >-john ___ __/ | >___ | | JKrikawa@CCIT.Arizona.Edu | |___ ________ > \______/ \__________ Tucson, AZ ___../\./\/ \____/ \____ Hi, You can always pretend You are one. Switch on to Julia Krikawa and here You go... :-)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jack Latanowicz tel/fax Pl-(0-61) 798-202 Ul.Porzeczkowa 27 Jack@plpuam11.bitnet 61-306 Poznan P O L A N D "exploring life is the sense of living..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 10:47:21 -0500 From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: MIDI vs WAVE file john krikawa writes: > > Jessica, you're lucky you're a woman, because if I asked these guys the > same question, I'd be torched....burnt up....'go read the FAQ'..nag, nag. > _ John, I hope I've not been guilty of this. I've tried to answer questions when could - I just don't always have enough time here at work. Please know that I'm not ignoring you when you post a question, I just usually don't have time to answer. I don't believe that this stuff is addressed specifically in the files on castrovalva. I'd certainly appreciate anyone who'd be willing to digest their expertise into a document doing so - I'll put it on castrovalva straightaway. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:53:22 -0700 From: "WEN-PING CHENG, COMPUTER INFORMATION SYSTEM, ASU" Subject: MIDI VS. WAVE file Hi, I am doing a project of multimedia presentation using Windows software now. I would like to know the difference between a MIDI file (FILE.mid) and a wave file (FILE.wav), and the pros and cons of MIDI files vs. wave files. Hope that this question would not be too naive, since I am still a novice in this field. Any precious feedback to this topic will be very appreciated. Thank you for your help. Jessica ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:10:57 +0000 From: Russell Subject: Re: MIDI VS. WAVE file On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, WEN-PING CHENG, COMPUTER INFORMATION SYSTEM, ASU wrote: > I am doing a project of multimedia presentation using Windows software now. > I would like to know the difference between a MIDI file (FILE.mid) and a wave > file (FILE.wav), and the pros and cons of MIDI files vs. wave files. Hope > that this question would not be too naive, since I am still a novice in > this field. Any precious feedback to this topic will be very appreciated. A .midi file or .mid file contains only data representing the pitch/speed and other aspects of a tune but no waveforms. The .wav files, as you may have guessed, contains waveform data. You will find, mostly, that .wav files are considerably larger, depending on resolution, than .mid files. Pros and cons. .wav files are used to either sample whole sections of tunes, or to record repetetive areas of the tune. This way the datas already recorded and only need to be replayed. .mid is used for synth gear. Hope this helps!! (its just a little tricky to explain) Gavin Russell, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 08:47:13 EST From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: MIDI VS. WAVE file Hi Jessica, A MIDI file can be thought of as a player piano roll in that it describes note events. It requires a sequencer program to output these events and, of course, a synthsizer to actually play the sounds. (This can be a keyboard, sound module, or PC card.) A wave file is digitized sound like on a CD. It requires hardware (a PC card) to convert the digitally coded sound back into analog, suitable for an amplifier and speaker to play. Bill Fox ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 10:43:55 -0600 From: brickman jonathan Subject: Re: MIDI VS. WAVE file Hi, Jessica. Basically, a MIDI file is a file which a sequencing program can read, and a .WAV file is an actual sound data file. A sequencing program, by the way, is a program which runs a keyboard (musical) built for MIDI. The sequencing software loads the MIDI file, and sends MIDI "events" (key- presses, drum beats, sound type changes, etc.) to the keyboard for the actual sound reproduction. Hopefully I didn't confuse you even more! ||Jonathan E. Brickman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:41:19 GMT From: Rikhardur H Fridriksson Subject: Re: Misc. Product Info > We are considering > purchasing the following products, and would appreciate any > information anyone might have on them, i.e., where to purchase, plus > any miscellaneous product information or alternative recommendations: > Mark of the Unicorn Digital Waveboard As far as I know the only software supporting the Digital Waveboard is Digital Performer. Consider AudioMedia II from Digidesign (or even Sound Accellerator II). These cards are (so far) more standard and any software producer serously considering professional sound support will implement connections to the Digidesign cards, rather than MOTU's Digital waveboard. This might change, of course, but this is the situation today. > We are also ordering a Macintosh Centris 660 AV, a Macintosh LC520 I'm not familiar with these special types of Macs, but if you want to use DSP cards, you should make sure they can actually take a standard full-length NuBus card. Normally the LC series computers use some special cards, and some of the newer computers, can only take full-length NuBus cards if you tear out the hard disk. Check this before you buy. Rikhardur H. Fridriksson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 15:48:35 GMT From: "David G. Bowie" Subject: Misc. Product Info. Hello Computer Music Wizards THERE IS SUCH A MAZE OF TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE!! We are considering purchasing the following products, and would appreciate any information anyone might have on them, i.e., where to purchase, plus any miscellaneous product information or alternative recommendations: Roland DJ70 keyboard Mark of the Unicorn Digital Waveboard Mark of the Unicorn Digital Performer sequencer Macintosh software Beachtron - sound spacialization Beachtron - music interface (Midi (Next Step) MAX music software for the Mac ("music dataflow?") NEXT music sequencer software We are also ordering a Macintosh Centris 660 AV, a Macintosh LC520, an Opcode Midi interface and cables, a Sony DAT walkman, and a vtr stereo, and the Japanese and English versions of a book, MACWORLD MUSIC AND SOUND BIBLE. One of us also owns an Ensoniq KS-32. We are faculty advisers to a group project on COMPUTERS AND MUSIC at a new computer science college here in Japan. Our students are freshman college students who are aspiring musicians, but have little or no experience or knowledge of the potential applications. We advisers are also not very knowledgable in this specialized area either, although we know a little bit about Midi, synthesizing, and sequencing. One of us is a physics professor, and the other an English professor with years of professional pianist entertainment experience. Our project budget is quite ample, but we are experiencing bureaucratic paperwork nightmares, huge markups of products sold in Japan, and the problem of having to wade through brochures written in Japanese, which we have very little fluency in. Any help or recommendations would be really appreciated. You can reply to this newsgroup, or reply through e-mail. Thanks in advance!! Sincerely, Professor James M. Goodwin - james-m@u-aizu.ac.jp Professor David G. Bowie - bowie@u-aizu.ac.jp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 08:59:45 PST From: metlay Subject: Re: Misc. Product Info. >Hello Computer Music Wizards > > THERE IS SUCH A MAZE OF TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE!! Tell us about it. :-\ > We are considering >purchasing the following products, and would appreciate any >information anyone might have on them, i.e., where to purchase, plus >any miscellaneous product information or alternative recommendations: > >Roland DJ70 keyboard Heavens! Why would you want to buy a DJ-70 for serious academic work? It is very expensive and has relatively costly memory upgrades, and has only a few "cute" features in its favor. It is unclear to me what you hope to do with the DJ-70, but unless you are planning on running raves and dance parties I cannot think of an application where it would be a superior keyboard for your money. Depending on the precise needs you have, there are many better choices: better samplers, much better control keyboards. >MAX music software for the Mac ("music dataflow?") That's as good a description of it as I have ever seen. MAX is a serious tool, and will require a great deal of work to get going, but once it does, you will find it a wonderful and incredibly powerful program! >We are also ordering a Macintosh Centris 660 AV, a Macintosh LC520, an >Opcode Midi interface and cables, a Sony DAT walkman, and a vtr >stereo, and the Japanese and English versions of a book, MACWORLD >MUSIC AND SOUND BIBLE. One of us also owns an Ensoniq KS-32. Hmmmm. The LC520 is a nice new machine. Very compact. But if you don't need the CD-ROM player or stereo speakers built in, and ONLY want to do MIDI, you can spend about half the money and get a Color Classic, which is just as good. Also, be very careful about mixing Opcode interfaces (and the Opcode OMS program, which must be installed to use them) with any kind of Performer. The two will work together, but not always seamlessly, and for a large system your chances to get in trouble multiply quickly. I would advise either getting a MOTU interface to go with your MOTU software (like a MIDI Time Piece II), or, as someone else has advised, bypassing the Digital Waveboard and Digital Performer in favor of an AudioMedia board and an OMS- compatible sequencer/audio program like Cubase Audio or Studio Vision. > We are faculty advisers to a group project on COMPUTERS AND MUSIC >at a new computer science college here in Japan. Our students are >freshman college students who are aspiring musicians, but have little >or no experience or knowledge of the potential applications. >We advisers are also not very knowledgable in this specialized area >either, although we know a little bit about Midi, synthesizing, and >sequencing. One of us is a physics professor, and the other an English >professor with years of professional pianist entertainment experience. Our >project budget is quite ample, but we are experiencing bureaucratic >paperwork nightmares, huge markups of products sold in Japan, and the >problem of having to wade through brochures written in Japanese, which >we have very little fluency in. Sounds incredibly cool! If I'd known that there were jobs like this out there, I wouldn't have begrudged MY physics PhD so much. I wish you all the best, and would be glad to answer any further questions you might have, either here or via email. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I incorporated the sound into my dreams...but I didn't wake up." (suzanne) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 18:46:19 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Misc. Product Info. >Heavens! Why would you want to buy a DJ-70 for serious academic work? >It is very expensive and has relatively costly memory upgrades, and >has only a few "cute" features in its favor. And has no serious mass-storage or offline editing (no SCSI). Cute machine, worth around $300 IMHO. Not worth $2500. Can't you import a K2000 from the US? >Hmmmm. The LC520 is a nice new machine. LC520? You mean the st00pid television set thing? Avoid. >Also, be very careful about mixing Opcode >interfaces (and the Opcode OMS program, which must be installed to use >them) with any kind of Performer. If you're going for MAX (and I strongly recommend it) then you're best going for OMS as well (which I also strongly recommend). You can still use a MOTU interface (such as an MTP-II like the one I have here) but that requires MIDI Manager, some plumbing, and a still-unreleased MTP driver. I would suggest that you go for Opcode stuff all the way. >I wish you all the best, and would be glad to answer any further >questions you might have, either here or via email. Ditto, but not right now; I'm performing next week and have to do all the music again... Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 11:23:11 +0800 From: Chia Poh Hwa Andy Subject: Monitor Headphones Hi! I just want to seek some advice regarding what are the things that I should look out for if I want to get a pair of monitor headphones. What is the difference between the normal stero headphones (sennheiser, sony,...) and the "real" monitor headphones??? Thanks! ANDy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 22:43:24 -0500 From: Robert Thompson Subject: Re: Monitor Headphones The differences are many: comfort (long wearing) bandwidth (frequency response) power output.... etc etc I am a big fan of AKG K240 Monitor Headphones - they have newer versions out (250 I think...) Look them over...I think you will be impressed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 11:41:44 +0100 From: Hmeljak Dimitrij Subject: Re: Monitor Headphones well I had to buy some headphoes to use them drumming, to have tempo beat and sync with the sequencers on live performances. So they had to be 'closed' type, with a wide dynamic range and confortable! Before I used she small Sennheiser with yellow things... now I have Koss Studio Pro/99 and they are very good! A lot of power, wiiide response to basses and high freqs, very confortable, etc etc I can only recommend them. Dimitrij Hmeljak hmeljakd@uts340.univ.trieste.it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:15:21 EST From: Brian Good Subject: Re: Monitor Headphones > > Hi! I just want to seek some advice regarding what are the things that I > should look out for if I want to get a pair of monitor headphones. What > is the difference between the normal stero headphones (sennheiser, > sony,...) and the "real" monitor headphones??? Probably mostly hype. For monitoring, you'll need phones that are more robust than *some* consumer models (e.g. Stax electrostatics sound wonderful, but in my experience they're marginally reliable for home use, let alone hard studio use). I've not owned Sennheisers for some time, but remember thinking they were a bit shrill. Until last month I used AKG 140s, which were so-so sonically--the bass was soggy and there was too much of it. I'm using middle-of-the-range Grados now. They're quite detailed and have tighter bass than the AKGs, but I haven't had them long enough to form a definitive opinion. One thing to consider--if you're going to be doing studio montoring where you're trying to hear yourself amidst other live players, you might want to get phones with good isolation; an over-the-ear type like an AKG will be better at this than an on-the-ear type like a Sennheiser. brian good bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov bsgood@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 19:30:27 +0000 From: Russell Subject: Re: Monitor Headphones On Tue, 30 Nov 1993, Chia Poh Hwa Andy wrote: > Hi! I just want to seek some advice regarding what are the things that I > should look out for if I want to get a pair of monitor headphones. What > is the difference between the normal stero headphones (sennheiser, > sony,...) and the "real" monitor headphones??? I find, when buying headphones, the single most inportant factor is the frequency range supported by the headphones. I got a nice pair some time ago that cover 10Hz - 29Khz. This keeps the sounds crystal clear. Its also good to find a set that allow little leakage in/out of the headphones. Hope it helps. Gavin Russell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 07:07:48 EST From: dan schaaf at heath Subject: MPU 401 Does anyone know where a description of functionality and programming for the MPU 401 card might be found? Thanks. Dan S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:54:54 GMT From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: Re: MPU 401 dan schaaf asks .. Does anyone know where a description of functionality and programming for the MPU 401 card might be found? ----------------------------- I got hold of an MPU 401 technical specification from Roland UK for 8 UK pounds. Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 ------------------------------------------------------------------ JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 07:57:43 AST From: Howard Harawitz Subject: MPU 401 Book (INFO requested by Dan Schaaf) Hi -- Hello Dan Schaaf -- There's a book called "C Programming For MIDI" by Jim Conger that probably has what you want in it. It was published by M & T Books in Redwood City, California and copyrighted 1988. If you can't locate the book, you might try Roswell Computer Books here in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. It's an online computer bookstore that sells to people all over the world. Roswell's internet address is: roswell@fox.nstn.ns.ca Howard =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 17:46:00 BDB From: PUCPR@FPSP.FAPESP.BR Subject: Proteus Hello all !! Does anybody have experience with PROTEUS VINTAGE KEYS ? Is it a good gear ? And about the price in USA ? Thanks Tarso ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 00:42:21 EST From: JOHN ALBERT PINION Subject: Q: Yamaha E-mail address? Does anyone know an e-mail address for Yamaha? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 16:20:07 -0800 From: "Michael A. Dalton ADP OPuS" Subject: Rhodes-660, U20 Clone? I am interested in first hand factual info anyone might have about differences between the Rhodes 660 (mfr'd by Roland) compared to the Roland U20. I know they are based on the same basic components, but I am not certain as to *specifically* how they differ. Any reliable feedback will be appreciated....Thanks! -- +---------------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Michael A. Dalton miked@plaza.ds.adp.com | "What I say to you, I say to | | CIS 71410,2624 Voice: (503) 294-4200 x2541 | everyone: Watch!" -Mark 13:17 | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 18:33:25 GMT From: "Steven D. Bramson" Subject: Soundblaster >From bu@etud.dauphine.fr: >I've just got a soundblaster and I'm looking for some software to make >music with. >All names of ftp servers for such software would be greatfully received. >--Thanks Try winjammer from FTP.CICA.INDIANA.EDU, also try FTP.CS.RUU.NL for MIDI song files. Steven D Bramson Data Management Group JET Joint Undertaking Abingdon Oxfordshire OX14 3EA United Kingdom E-mail sdb@jet.uk Voice 0235 465 013 Fax 0235 465 399 ------------------------------------------------------------------ JET is Europe's fusion research project Disclaimer: Any views expressed are mine and do not represent those of JET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 13:37:02 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: SY85 >Does the SY85 lack FM synthesis? Yes. > So, which synth would YOU buy if you were me? (taking account of >my needs) Waldorf MicroWave. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 11:25:16 EST From: Keith Maynard - CCC Subject: Theremin Hi Folks, Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Leon Theremin, recently referred to in these discussions, died today in Moscow at the age of 97. Keith Maynard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 06:33:56 PST From: metlay Subject: Re: Theremin >Hi Folks, > >Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Leon Theremin, recently referred to in > these discussions, died today in Moscow at the age of 97. AIEEEE! :( :( :( I'll say Kaddish for him this Friday night. What a loss to the electronic music community! Geniuses like Theremin are treasures to humanity, and we will not appreciate them fully until they're gone, it seems.... God, what a depressing way to start a Wednesday. :( -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- new .sig under construction ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 17:52:08 EST From: "McCafferty, Roderick" Subject: Triggering Keyboards Hey, I just picked up a Turtle Beach Multisound and I'm looking for a keyboard I can use to trigger the card via MIDI. I need something of proffessional quality for triggering only and it needs to be economical too.Any sugestions? Thanks, Rick FSU ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 17:43:07 -0600 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Triggering Keyboards > Hey, I just picked up a Turtle Beach Multisound and I'm looking for a > keyboard I can use to trigger the card via MIDI. I need something of > proffessional quality for triggering only and it needs to be economical > too.Any sugestions? > Thanks, Rick FSU Pretty much every large company in the MIDI business is now making a simple, yet powerful MIDI controller. Roland, Korg, Yamaha, are a few names. The only one i've actually used (and found to be just as good as the ones that come in most full-fledged synths is the PC-200 (which is now the PC-200 mk II). The former can sometimes be found for less than $200 on the net, while the new one and most simple (computer oriented) keyboard controllers run about $300 from most mail-order. Also, you usually will find a better price for something like that through a computer mail-order place instead of a music mail-order place. -- Arne F. Claassen |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4 | E pluribus Moo" | Mac Centris 650 | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 12:36:28 GMT From: "Dipak M. Patel, x7738" Subject: Using Proteus & MasterTrax Pro Hi all, I was wondering how I can access all the sound in my module from MasterTrax (for the Mac). The sound module is not general MIDI or GS. Do I have to do some special mapping or something? Dipak Patel dpatel@motown.ge.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 17:23:23 +0100 From: "Frederic Montoya,CIRIL,," Subject: Wave Blaster... Hi, I've got a SB16 ASP with the Wave Blaster option. Is there any public domain software to use the full feature of the MT32 synth ? I have the cakewalk apprentice version delivered with the board but the control of the MT32 is fairly limited. Thanx in advance. Frederic. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 22:48:02 -0400 From: "ANDREW \"MICHEALANGELO\" YOUNGER" Subject: Re: Wave Blaster... Hi Frederic, I notice that you have the ASP and the Wave Blaster options for your SB16. I just have the SB16 but have options on both the Wave Blaster and the ASP chip. COuld you tell me a bit about them? And also are they worth getting? What does it add to the board? What is the software like? Etc. Thanks Andrew AYOUNGER@ac.dal.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 12:56:48 +0000 From: Russell Subject: Yamaha Can someone tell me how to join the yamaha specific group? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 03:45:00 EDT From: Arthur Friedman Subject: Re: Yamaha I use a Yamaha PSR-500m keyboard and am also interested in joining a "Yamaha specifi group." Does one exist. Thank you for any information. Regards, Art... ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************