EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 59, Issue 12 This issue's topics: Aleatoric Composer Cakewalk for DOS and Windows digital audio and midi (2 messages) Help with Roland SCC-1 Looking for PC Soundcard/software MPU 401 Book (INFO requested by Dan Schaaf) roland css-1 Roland Rap-10 SCC-1 GS-Modul Sound Blaster/MIDI Cable Sound Blaster/MIDI Interface (5 messages) Wincake & Wav Files WinCake 2.0 & MIDI Thru (2 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 14:47:37 -0600 From: Jeff Wheeler Subject: Aleatoric Composer I just recieved the latest edition of "QuarterTone" newsletter from Twelve Tone Systems. On page 4 there is a short article about a program called Aleatoric Composer written by Calkwalk/Pro - Win user. It further states that the program is available through most music bbs and most major Internet ftp sites. Since I'm still taking tottler steps through Internet, could anybody tell me exactly which ftp site would have this program? Also has anybody had the opportunity to try it out? Thanks, Things are looking up; the days are getting longer! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 17:19:19 MET From: Vincenzo Palleschi Subject: Cakewalk for DOS and Windows I would like to have information about Cakewalk for DOS vs. Cakewalk for Windows. Is the DOS version supporting the MIDI in/out of the Sound Blaster? Thank you for your help. +----------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | | | | Vincenzo Palleschi | People usually get what's coming | | IFAM - CNR | to them ... unless it's been | | Via del Giardino, 7 | mailed. | | 56127 Pisa | - Anonymous - | | ITALY +-------------------------------------+ | Tel. +39 (50) 542346 - FAX +39 (50) 589048 | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1993 00:35:58 -0500 From: THE DIGITAL WITCHDOCTOR Subject: digital audio and midi Hey, Can anyone recommend a sequencing/notation program that can handle midi as well as digital audio? (i.e. organize my samples in .wav format as midi events). I've done a good bit of sampling with my turtle beach card but can't stick them into my compositions. Thanks and happy holidays, Phil sps5251@siena.bitnet ps I am running a 486 under dos 6.2 and windows ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1993 22:48:36 -0800 From: Todd S DeWeerd Subject: Re: digital audio and midi On Sat, 25 Dec 1993, THE DIGITAL WITCHDOCTOR wrote: > Hey, > > Can anyone recommend a sequencing/notation program that can handle midi as > well as digital audio? (i.e. organize my samples in .wav format as midi > events). I've done a good bit of sampling with my turtle beach card but > can't stick them into my compositions. > > Thanks and happy holidays, > > Phil > sps5251@siena.bitnet > > ps I am running a 486 under dos 6.2 and windows > The Roland Rap-10 card/software can mix wave and midi files. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 14:37:43 -0600 From: Kenneth Wayne Goodson Subject: Help with Roland SCC-1 Help! I've finally got a computer that's running (see message in:re AMBRA Computers) but I cannot get Cakewalk Pro for Windows 2.0 to recognize my Roland SCC-1 card. I managed to get everything set up correctly with the right port address and IRQ (although not without a call to AMBRA tech support) and I know the SCC-1 is working because I can run the utilties disk that came with the card and it plays the demos fine. Cakewalk is sending out a MIDI signal because my other sound modules (Roland U-220 and a Roland CM-32L) are responding although not with the right patches. In addition to the SCC-1, there is a MediaVision 16 sound card installed as part the multimedia package that also includes a CD-ROM. Can anyone offer a suggestion on getting Cakwalk to recognize and use the SCC-1? Thanks in advance... ************************************************************ *Kenneth Goodson *Atlanta High School * *Band Director/UIL Computer Science*705 Rabbit Blvd * *kgoodson@tenet.edu *Atlanta, TX 75551 * *(903) 796-4636 (home) *(903) 796-7213 (office)* ************************************************************ "Up, up and away, in my beautiful balloon"-Fifth Dimension ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 14:27:21 GMT From: The Surrealist Subject: Looking for PC Soundcard/software Hello all. I am looking for a PC soundcard with the following features: -16 bit sampling/playback. -Midi support. -Sequencing of samples and midi at the same time. -At least 4 channels of samples at once. -The samples can be used as instruments (Pitch adjustment) I can do all of this on my Amiga now with OctaMED software, but I need to find a soundcard and software to do this on a PC with _16 bit_ samples. I do mainly industrial music, so I need to be able to sequence drum beats, and incorporate many other sounds such as voice samples. Would it be possible to hold all the samples in RAM, or have them loaded from hard-drive when needed? A combination of the two would be nice... For example, all of the drum sounds would be stored in RAM (since they are used often), and voice samples would be loaded from hard-drive when needed. Basically, I need to make 16 bit mods with midi at the same time. I have a KORG DSS-1 keyboard, a 486DX2-66, 420MB HD, 8 megs RAM. Could someone please point me in the right direction by telling me what soundcard/software combination will make this happen. It would also be nice if the soundcard is compatible with games or other programs, but not necessary. BTW, if any of you are familiar with OctaMED on the Amiga, I need the features of that, but with 16bit samples instead of 8bit. Thanks in advance. Chris Hixon. (hixon@ucsu.colorado.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 11:58:36 AST From: Roswell James Subject: Re: MPU 401 Book (INFO requested by Dan Schaaf) In Message Tue, 30 Nov 93 07:57:43 AST, "Howard Harawitz" writes: >Hi -- > >Hello Dan Schaaf -- > >There's a book called "C Programming For MIDI" by Jim Conger that probably >has what you want in it. It was published by M & T Books in Redwood City, >California and copyrighted 1988. > >If you can't locate the book, you might try Roswell Computer Books here in >Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. It's an online computer bookstore that sells >to people all over the world. Roswell's internet address is: > > roswell@fox.nstn.ns.ca > >Howard >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hello Dan Schaaf Howard Harawitz forwarded your inquiry to me. The book you are looking for has gone out of print and is nolonger available. Ther are two books that I know of that are coming out soon on MIDI. 1. "PC Sound" by Tolhurst, W (M&T Books) This informative and entertaining guide teaches PV programmers how to add audio capabilities to their dos and windows applications. The book contains a mix of theory, sample source code, andapplications that demonstrate the audio capabilities of the PC. It also contains valuable code examples which provide a solid basis programmers can build upon to further explore this exciting medium. Readers will develop a MIDI sequencer program, patch editor, and player, a waveform syntheses editor and player. The book comes with a disk loaded with source code sample MIDI scores and sample patches. 2 "The Musician's Guide to MIDI" by Christian Braut (Sybex) 0-7821-1285-4. This is the electronic musician's guide to MIDI standards. Learn how to recreate actual instrumental sounds ellectronically. Includes product reviews and plenty of program code. -- Thank you for shopping at Roswell Electronic Bookstore **** WATCH FOR THE INTERNET SPECIAL OF THE MONTH LISTED IN GOPHER *** LOCATED IN GOPHERS FOR CANADA / NOVA SCOTIA TECHNOLOGY NETWORK Roswell James | Roswell Computer Books,(Halifax),Ltd. 1587 Brunswick Street | Representing over 7,000 Titles. Halifax, N.S. B3J 2G1 | We can order in almost any title in Print. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 12:44:10 MET From: Schuster Richard Subject: roland css-1 what kind of instrument is this roland synthie? It is a gs-modul. thanx in advance, Ricci!! ********************************************************** *Richard Schuster * *University of Innsbruck, Austria * * * *network adress: * *schuste2@sowi-nov.uibk.ac.at * ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 13:54:02 -0800 From: Todd S DeWeerd Subject: Roland Rap-10 I'm the guy with the Roland Rap-10 and no one to share notes with. Is there another newsgroup that deals with hard-drive recording? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 12:46:07 MET From: Schuster Richard Subject: SCC-1 GS-Modul sorry, I have tipped the wrong name. the right one should be SCC-1 (GS-Modul) Once again, what kind is that synthie from roland and how much does it cost? thanx, Ricci!! ********************************************************** *Richard Schuster * *University of Innsbruck, Austria * * * *network adress: * *schuste2@sowi-nov.uibk.ac.at * ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1993 14:55:56 -0800 From: David Chandler Subject: Re: Sound Blaster/MIDI Cable I've got one of these cables (serial to dual midi) made by Sound Galaxy and bought through mail order for $24 unused (hard to find, thus, they kill you for it) that I'd sell for $10 (includes postage). David Chandler - chandler@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (503)241-2949 On Wed, 29 Dec 1993, Larry Koester wrote: > EK>I've been looking at Sound Blasters (and other sound card with MIDI > EK>erfaces) and I've seen that many of them require a separate piece to > EK>make the MIDI interface work - i.e. the MIDI interface on the card is > EK>actually a serial port and you have to buy an adapter. I bought a > EK>serial/MIDI adapter and used it with my Amiga 500, which I no longer > EK>and I was wondering if it would be possible to use that with one of > EK>sound cards. One difference I noticed is that the sound card ports > EK>the smaller (9-pin I think) while my MIDI adapter is 25-pin. Can I > EK>make an adapter to switch from 25-pin to 9-pin? > > On the SB16ASP, its not a serial, but a game port. The pin out is > readily available, Creative Labs even has a file on its BBS as to how to > put together the cable yourself. With the SB16ASP, the game port is > still available for a joystick after the midi cable is connected, if > you've used their cable. The only problem is that the game port isn't > speed sensitive (can give problems with faster machines). > > - Larry Koester, Bloomer, WI > --- > ~ DeLuxe}/386 1.25 #641s ~ I tried the rest but bought the best!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1993 18:52:36 -0500 From: "Eric K. Johnston" Subject: Sound Blaster/MIDI Interface I've been looking at Sound Blasters (and other sound card with MIDI interfaces) and I've seen that many of them require a separate piece to make the MIDI interface work - i.e. the MIDI interface on the card is actually a serial port and you have to buy an adapter. I bought a serial/MIDI adapter and used it with my Amiga 500, which I no longer use, and I was wondering if it would be possible to use that with one of those sound cards. One difference I noticed is that the sound card ports are the smaller (9-pin I think) while my MIDI adapter is 25-pin. Can I get or make an adapter to switch from 25-pin to 9-pin? Thanx for your help Eric Eric K. Johnston (Harvard Red & Old Gold) The University of Dayton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 14:57:47 +0100 From: Martin Grecner Subject: Re: Sound Blaster/MIDI Interface > > I've been looking at Sound Blasters (and other sound card with MIDI > interfaces) and I've seen that many of them require a separate piece to > make the MIDI interface work - i.e. the MIDI interface on the card is > actually a serial port and you have to buy an adapter. I bought a > serial/MIDI adapter and used it with my Amiga 500, which I no longer use, > and I was wondering if it would be possible to use that with one of those > sound cards. One difference I noticed is that the sound card ports are > the smaller (9-pin I think) while my MIDI adapter is 25-pin. Can I get or > make an adapter to switch from 25-pin to 9-pin? > > Thanx for your help > Eric > Eric K. Johnston (Harvard Red & Old Gold) > The University of Dayton > I'm sorry, but I think you can't use your adapter for this. Port on Sound Blaster is not a serial port. It is actually a combination of joystick and MIDI port, with MIDI being only ordinary TTL level (5V) output/input from/to UART. Standard RS232C serial ports use +-12V signals. But it's very easy to build your own MIDI adapter for SoundBlaster. You just have to implement a current loop. I'll send you a file concearning this. Martin Grecner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 15:27:07 +0100 From: Rene de Bie Subject: Re: Sound Blaster/MIDI Interface > > I've been looking at Sound Blasters (and other sound card with MIDI > > interfaces) and I've seen that many of them require a separate piece to > > make the MIDI interface work - i.e. the MIDI interface on the card is > > actually a serial port and you have to buy an adapter. I bought a > > serial/MIDI adapter and used it with my Amiga 500, which I no longer use, > > and I was wondering if it would be possible to use that with one of those > > sound cards. One difference I noticed is that the sound card ports are > > the smaller (9-pin I think) while my MIDI adapter is 25-pin. Can I get or > > make an adapter to switch from 25-pin to 9-pin? > > > > Thanx for your help > > Eric > > Eric K. Johnston (Harvard Red & Old Gold) > > The University of Dayton > > > > I'm sorry, but I think you can't use your adapter for this. Port on Sound > Blaster is not a serial port. It is actually a combination of joystick > and MIDI port, with MIDI being only ordinary TTL level (5V) output/input > from/to UART. Standard RS232C serial ports use +-12V signals. But it's > very easy to build your own MIDI adapter for SoundBlaster. You just > have to implement a current loop. I'll send you a file concearning this. > > Martin Grecner > I'm interested in this too! Can you send me a copy? Thanks and regards, Rene de Bie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 17:09:00 -0500 From: Larry Koester Subject: Sound Blaster/MIDI Interf EK>I've been looking at Sound Blasters (and other sound card with MIDI EK>erfaces) and I've seen that many of them require a separate piece to EK>make the MIDI interface work - i.e. the MIDI interface on the card is EK>actually a serial port and you have to buy an adapter. I bought a EK>serial/MIDI adapter and used it with my Amiga 500, which I no longer EK>and I was wondering if it would be possible to use that with one of EK>sound cards. One difference I noticed is that the sound card ports EK>the smaller (9-pin I think) while my MIDI adapter is 25-pin. Can I EK>make an adapter to switch from 25-pin to 9-pin? On the SB16ASP, its not a serial, but a game port. The pin out is readily available, Creative Labs even has a file on its BBS as to how to put together the cable yourself. With the SB16ASP, the game port is still available for a joystick after the midi cable is connected, if you've used their cable. The only problem is that the game port isn't speed sensitive (can give problems with faster machines). - Larry Koester, Bloomer, WI --- ~ DeLuxe}/386 1.25 #641s ~ I tried the rest but bought the best!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1993 15:24:46 -0400 From: "ANDREW G. YOUNGER" Subject: Re: Sound Blaster/MIDI Interface Martin, I would be very interested in seeing this file concerning MIDI adapters for the Soundblaster, as I need to some how get one happening on my SB16. Thanks a million Andrew Younger AYOUNGER@ac.dal.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1993 15:42:02 -0800 From: Todd S DeWeerd Subject: Wincake & Wav Files Does anyone know how to make Wincake run a wav file? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 15:46:43 GMT From: "Roy M. Randall" Subject: WinCake 2.0 & MIDI Thru ARRRG! I buy a new version of a program and none of the old tricks work. Does anyone know how to turn off MIDI Thru in WinCake 2.0 and KEEP IT OFF? In the earlier version one had to set this up as a parameter in an ASCII file. Now it doesn't work. I can set it to OFF in the settings menu, but every time I load a new file or restart the program, it's back to AUTO again. I need it turned off always. -- Roy M. Randall, FG | I have a clue. Inconsequential Systems, Inc. | For $20, you may have one too. zeroy@netcom.com | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 15:29:51 EST From: JOHN ALBERT PINION Subject: Re: WinCake 2.0 & MIDI Thru Hate to suggest the obvious, but isn't there a "Save Preferences" button somewhere? ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************