EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 60, Issue 06 This issue's topics: EMUSIC-L Usage (was: piano teachers) (5 messages) EMUSIC-L Usage (was: piano teachers)now minimalism minimalism...minimalsim...minimalism... (5 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 10:57:45 -0500 From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: EMUSIC-L Usage (was: piano teachers) > > I think that it would be more appropriate if this listserver was renamed > piano tutor talk as this seems to constitute 90% of the mail. Any chance > of a change of subject, it is getting VERY tedious. > Certainly. What do you want to talk about? Start a thread! EMUSIC-L is not just for the frequent posters; it's also for the folks who only say something once in a while. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 12:38:37 EST From: David Lunney Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Usage (was: piano teachers) Sure, I'd be happy to start a new thread to get us off piano tutors. How about minimalist music? That stuff is so damned mindless and repetitious that I could write a program to generate it automatically. And it could be one page long. And it could be in (ugh) BASIC. -- David Lunney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 11:54:50 -0600 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Usage (was: piano teachers) > Sure, I'd be happy to start a new thread to get us off piano tutors. How > about minimalist music? That stuff is so damned mindless and repetitious > that I could write a program to generate it automatically. And it could > be one page long. And it could be in (ugh) BASIC. > -- David Lunney Sure, a lot of the music i listen to and all the music i seem to be dancing (insert twitching, trashing, rolling on the floor at will) to at clubs sounds like it was written by a computer. No, i'd take that back. Using algorithmic composition might ad more variation to techno. But i'm starting to be sarcastic. My point of this message was, what is being referred to as minimalist music. Could you give me some examples, as i do not seem be familiar with any of it. -- Arne F. Claassen |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4 | E pluribus Moo" | Mac Centris 650 | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:46:43 -0400 From: "Nicholas P. Traenkner" Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Usage (was: piano teachers) >How about minimalist music? That stuff is so damned mindless and repetitous >that I could write a program to generate it automatically. And it could >be one page long. And it could be in (ugh) BASIC. Well, you could probably do the same thing with serialism too, does this make the serialists and serialist music mindless and repetitious? btw, I read somewhere that minimalism was a reaction to the serialists, anyone know about this? Game theory as well, and chance operations music could probably be fit into a short BASIC program too. I thought the idea in minimalism was the idea. ps. 'No pussyfooting'(Eno/Frip) 'Low' Symphony (Glass) Couple of good 'mindless' works worth checking out. Anyone know of some serialist works available on disc or lp? besides Stockhausen. (is he even a seriaist?) Nicholas Traenkner engxt343@ksuvxa.kent.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:07:05 -0500 From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Usage (was: piano teachers) David Lunney writes: > > Sure, I'd be happy to start a new thread to get us off piano tutors. How > about minimalist music? That stuff is so damned mindless and repetitious > that I could write a program to generate it automatically. And it could > be one page long. And it could be in (ugh) BASIC. Well, there are two possibilities. One, you just don't like the style. Certainly you entitled to your opinion. Two, you haven't been listening to the right stuff. Recommendations of mine: - "The Harp of New Albion" (Terry Riley): piano stuff which I have mentioned before as one of my favorites. It uses alternate tunings, so you may find it both boring *and* out-of-tune. :-) This is my favorite Minimalist piece, period. - "Electric Counterpoint" and "Different Trains" (Steve Reich): the first is a multitracked piece with Pat Metheny on guitar and bass; the second is the Kronos Quartet combined with vocal samples. The first piece is fun; the second takes the vocal samples and echoes them as musical motifs very nicely. It is a forceful argument for more creative uses for sampling. - "Harmonielehre" (John Adams): I first heard this as the soundtrack for a truly bizarre movie and was utterly transfixed by the manner in which it created the impression of immense forces under tight control, almost ready to break free. I believe this is a symphonic piece. I want to get a copy. - "Powwaquatsi" (Philip Glass): I recommend this if for nothing else for its excellent usage of chord progressions. I find it a very grand and emotionally appealing piece. There really are musically valuable things happening in Minimalist pieces; they just happen much more slowly. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 00:04:55 +0100 From: Paul van Oss Subject: Re: EMUSIC-L Usage (was: piano teachers)now minimal > > Sure, I'd be happy to start a new thread to get us off piano tutors. How > about minimalist music? That stuff is so damned mindless and repetitious > that I could write a program to generate it automatically. And it could > be one page long. And it could be in (ugh) BASIC. > -- David Lunney > I tried it. It didn't sound too well. But if you can.... I think it would be great for a start of the World Jam. By the way, is it possible to send midi-files to each other in this list ? - Paul van Oss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 13:14:41 -0500 From: Brian Good Subject: Re: minimalism...minimalsim...minimalism...mini >David Lunney complains about mindless and repetitious minimalism; >Joe M. offers some counterexamples: > - "The Harp of New Albion" (Terry Riley) > - "Electric Counterpoint" and "Different Trains" (Steve Reich) Other later Reich like "Variations" (for Orchestra), and "Desert Music" are both more varied (and, to my ears, interesting) than early, highly repetitive things like "Four Organs" and "Drumming." > > - "Harmonielehre" (John Adams): I first heard this as the soundtrack for > a truly bizarre movie and was utterly transfixed by the manner in which > it created the impression of immense forces under tight control, almost > ready to break free. I believe this is a symphonic piece. I want to get > a copy. "Harmonium" and "Shaker Loops" are similar, though I like "Harmonielehre" better. And as long as we're casting about for topics having nothing to do with computerized piano teaching, anyone want to take a shot at discussing Adams' new "Hoodoo Zephyr" (aka "Famous Composer Gets His Very Own MIDI Studio")? brian good ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 23:46:48 EST From: "Jason E. Geistweidt" Subject: Re: minimalism...minimalsim...minimalism...mini Could i also reccomend the works of Arvo Part. he deals mostly in modalities and similar church modes. Also Phillip Glass (obnoxious composer extroidinari) has some beautiful orchestral music on his album Glass Pieces. Jason E. Geistweidt [ "Alas! An ill fated philosophy leads to an The American University [ ill fated religion!" -- S. T. Coleridge jg8602a@american.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 08:01:32 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: minimalism...minimalsim...minimalism...mini >Also Phillip Glass (obnoxious composer extroidinari) >has some beautiful orchestral music on his album Glass Pieces. Do you mean Glassworks? I'm quite taken with that, especially the solo piano piece(s) playing triplets against two-note motifs. The way the first piece drops through a few seconds of slow horn motif is the thing that inspired the main section of my Loremarie piece. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 12:59:57 -0600 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: minimalism...minimalsim...minimalism...mini > Do you mean Glassworks? I'm quite taken with that, especially the solo > piano piece(s) playing triplets against two-note motifs. The way the first > piece drops through a few seconds of slow horn motif is the thing that > inspired the main section of my Loremarie piece. Funny, since the slowly fading synth patches in Loremarie inspired some piano slowly fading through a heavy synth patch. -- Arne F. Claassen |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4 | E pluribus Moo" | Mac Centris 650 | | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 19:12:14 EST From: "Jason E. Geistweidt" Subject: Re: minimalism...minimalsim...minimalism...mini While we are all talking about Glass: On Dancepieces the 7th track is just beautiful: Beginning with a sea of strings glass gently floats two saxophones beautifully. One sax plays duple rythms while the other triplets (eighth = eighth). Wonder- ful writing for the instrument. Very haunting effect. Any fans of Akhnaten? Jason E. Geistweidt [ "Alas! An ill fated philosophy leads to an The American University [ ill fated religion!" -- S. T. 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