EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 61, Issue 09 This issue's topics: 48 minutes worth of dynamic new age music. 48 plus minutes of dynamic newage music (2 messages) For Sale CM-32 Roland FOR SALE! PEAVEY DPM3 KEYBOARD FOR SALE! (3 messages) Ren, Stimpy, and Fiorella Terenzi: the 3 Stooges of the 90s (4 messages) Sampling CD's (2 messages) Self-defense and why that's not it (was Re: Sampling CD's) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:02:51 -0500 From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: 48 minutes worth of dynamic new age music. Heaven help us. It must just be a phase we're going through right now. PLEASE. NO ADS. PLEASE. Sigh. Announcing that you can be contacted for infomation is OK. But please don't mention prices and such. Just say it exists. Let us decide whether to pursue it further. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:57:30 -0500 From: DEMOLITION MAN Subject: Re: 48 plus minutes of dynamic newage music How many times are we going to go through the no-price-posting gig? -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 09:52:33 -0500 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: 48 plus minutes of dynamic newage music >How many times are we going to go through the no-price-posting gig? > >-Phil Forever. Part of the problem is that we have a gateway to Usenet, which means that a fairly large percentage of readers can simply cross-post to our list without ever bothering to read it. Apparently this guy doesn't, because this is the second time for him. Guess it's postmaster time. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:31:56 -0500 From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: For Sale CM-32 Roland > > For Sale Roland CM-32 Mint Cond. Used twice. > Certainly have been a lot of ads lately, haven't there? Please don't post these here. Use SYNTH-L, or desist altogether. --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 11:53:05 -0500 From: William Matthews Subject: Re: FOR SALE! For sale, one (1) Joseph McMahon, CHEAP! Currently has several blown gaskets that need repair, but runs good and is great for gigs. New owner must treat well, on account of he's utterly indispensable. Many miles of worthy service left! gratefully, Bill M. EMUSIC-L subscriber ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 09:43:09 -0500 From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: PEAVEY DPM3 KEYBOARD FOR SALE! Clayton L Workman writes: > > *** !! FOR SALE !! *** > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!! There. Now I feel better. Look, folks, I have repeated it I don't know how many times. Quit it with the ADS!! If this keeps up I'm going to have the Usenet link *removed* and change the list over so only persons subscribed to it may post. Am I understood? --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 18:59:33 -0600 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: PEAVEY DPM3 KEYBOARD FOR SALE! PLEASE NOTICE: OBVIOUS waste of BANDWIDTH... I had to do this... Lately this posting ads to emusic-l is getting to be a disease. We almost an ad a day and of course there follows the polite, but slowly getting strained voice of Joe asking people not to post ads which seems to be followed by an ad almost a message later. Do people edit anything that Joe sends out of their box, or why does this just keep continuing. Not really a soapbox stand on my part, just getting amused with this pattern. -- Arne F. Claassen |"In cows we trust | EPS Classic * D4 | E pluribus Moo" | Mac Centris 650 | | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 20:39:45 -0500 From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: PEAVEY DPM3 KEYBOARD FOR SALE! > ... Do people edit > anything that Joe sends out of their box, or why does this just keep > continuing. > Not really a soapbox stand on my part, just getting amused with this pattern. > It's all so clear to me now, Guido. I'm the keeper of the cheese ... and you're the lemon merchant ... AH HA HAHAHAHAAAAA !!! Ahem. Sorry. :-) --- Joe M. ps. Have they released the marmosets? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 08:42:57 -0800 From: metlay Subject: Ren, Stimpy, and Fiorella Terenzi: the 3 Stooges of the 90s >It's all so clear to me now, Guido. I'm the keeper of the cheese ... and >you're the lemon merchant ... AH HA HAHAHAHAAAAA !!! ...and HE KNOWS IT.....that's why he's trying to KILL US!! >Ahem. Sorry. :-) Yeah, I'll bet. >ps. Have they released the marmosets? Not yet. But don't worry, little missy, I'll save you. ObligatorySynthesisContent (ObSynth for short, bearing no relation to the OBXa, OB8, OB8k, or OBMx): I'm too tired to rise to the bait of the recent mention of space-radiation music right now. I will simply state that I regarded it as an experimental curiosity of no lasting artistic value, and if history lumps me in with the teacher who told Albert Einstein he'd never amount to anything, so be it. (I won't care, I'll be dead.) It seemed to open no doors that would have otherwise remained closed. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go home, grab a beer, kiss the wife and SAMPLE THE DOG!" (j. krikawa) "Hate beer, selling the sampler. But the kissing part worked OK." (metlay) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 16:15:30 -0700 From: jk Subject: Re: Ren, Stimpy, and Fiorella Terenzi: the 3 Stooges of the 90s metlay : >ObligatorySynthesisContent (ObSynth for short, bearing no relation to >the OBXa, OB8, OB8k, or OBMx): I'm too tired to rise to the bait of >the recent mention of space-radiation music right now. I will simply >state that I regarded it as an experimental curiosity of no lasting >artistic value, and if history lumps me in with the teacher who told >Albert Einstein he'd never amount to anything, so be it. (I won't care, >I'll be dead.) >It seemed to open no doors that would have otherwise remained closed. Indeed, I feel this to be true also. However, if someone presented me with a composition and said "so-and-so derived this piece from escape values of the julia set centered about -1.5+.7i [a fractal]" I would be compelled (obligatorily) to say "cool". If it was a 'musical' piece that moved me in some way......"Very Cool". I think the processes which go into such pieces are important and have tangible consequence in the final piece [I assume that the process is refined by the composer through manual/algorithmic manipulation.....I could never feel comfortable with a fractal song, for example, if I just ran it, saved and dumped it to CD] This all vaguely reminds me of the conversations on academic music last summer......OK they weren't conversations.......Harrington's words ripped like flesh on our dull monitors....... We Know. We Care. We Need Musicality. _ -john ___ __/ | ___ | | JKrikawa@CCIT.Arizona.Edu | |___ ________ \______/ \__________ Tucson, AZ ___../\./\/ \____/ \____ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:12:21 +0000 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Ren, Stimpy, and Fiorella Terenzi: the 3 Stooges of the 90s Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk! >I'm too tired to rise to the bait of >the recent mention of space-radiation music right now. Robert Schroeder did a pretty fine job with his GALAXIE CYGNUS-A album back in the early 80's. But then, the only bit of space radiation was some white noise which ended up as a few seconds of the record, between tracks. Well, if radiation music gets trendy and the record companies come begging, perhaps Team Metlay can assemble and truck off to Atomic City for a couple of months, rad. suits and portable DAT's in hand, and come up with something. Keep an eye open for the wasps though. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 15:27:02 -0800 From: metlay Subject: Re: Ren, Stimpy, and Fiorella Terenzi: the 3 Stooges of the 90s >Well, if radiation music gets trendy and the record companies come begging, >perhaps Team Metlay can assemble and truck off to Atomic City for a couple >of months, rad. suits and portable DAT's in hand, and come up with >something. > >Keep an eye open for the wasps though. *sigh* For those of you who are wondering just what the HELL our esteemed Dr. Rothwell is talking about, I recommend going to your local comics store and buying a copy of SAVAGE HENRY #30, in which the editorial column has a letter from me and a concise but glowing review of the Team's CD. SH is a way-cool comic: science fiction featuring not only fictional characters but also real musicians (at one time or another, there have been plots involving Wire, the Residents, Nash the Slash, Michael Chocholak, Steve Roach, Klaus Schulze, Hawkwind, and others, and Conrad Schnitzler is a regular character). At this time there are no plans to put the Team in the comic...at least, none that I know of.... -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go home, grab a beer, kiss the wife and SAMPLE THE DOG!" (j. krikawa) "Hate beer, selling the sampler. But the kissing part worked OK." (metlay) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 14:53:20 -0500 From: "Joseph D. McMahon" Subject: Re: Sampling CD's Usenet apparently means never having to pay attention to anything. NO ADS HERE. PLEASE. This is getting to be way too much. I hate doing this because it makes me look like an anal-retentive jerk, but I really want EMUSIC-L to be a forum for discussion, not a bazaar full of yammering salespersons. Take it to synth-l@auvm.american.edu, or rec.music.makers.synth, or something. Thank you. New policy: abusive private mail to me about how this list is run will be forwarded to the list so everyone can see you're a jerk if you send it. Sigh. --- Joe M. (listowner) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:33:46 -0500 From: Alper Kerman Subject: Re: Sampling CD's > Usenet apparently means never having to pay attention to anything. > > NO ADS HERE. PLEASE. This is getting to be way too much. I hate doing this > because it makes me look like an anal-retentive jerk, but I really want > EMUSIC-L to be a forum for discussion, not a bazaar full of yammering > salespersons. > > Take it to synth-l@auvm.american.edu, or rec.music.makers.synth, or something. > Thank you. > > New policy: abusive private mail to me about how this list is run will be > forwarded to the list so everyone can see you're a jerk if you send it. Sigh. > > --- Joe M. (listowner) > Joe, This amazes me!...I've seen you post zillions of notices like this (most were nicely put ones too, I might add!), and these people still yet to learn!...Sighhh!.... I don't mean to come a cross as the "GUIDO" type as reaching out on your defense, but I have a suggestion. An idea just popped into my mind, and thought I let you and the concerned people on the list know (perhaps for an open discussion?). Since its gotten to this level (you receiving abusive private mail), why not make these criminal souls face some sort of penalty? And you're probably saying "How?..." Well, I was thinking; How about writing few lines of code, that will automatically post 100s of mail (amount would be up to your discretion) to these clowns' mail boxes as soon as they commit the sin!...Of course, that would require some up-keeping on your part. Perhaps you could make it, so that the subject lines would actually hold some legitimate subject titles from EMUSIC-L, and the body would say something like "PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY ADS ON THIS LIST!..." "Bla, bla, bla,.."...whatever you would find appropriate!... Or mailing old (from archives) EMUSIC-L mail messages with corresponding subject titles, etc. I think filling up their mail boxes with this sort of mail, and having them actually go thru the pain of sorting them out is a great penalty!...Of course, I have not considered the consequences of this action, as I will let that to be open for discussion (that is, if its okay by the list owner?...) I'm not trying to be mean here, but one can only tolerate so much!...It's just an idea anyway!...If the idea is too severe, then I apologize. Also, I hope I'm not going to make some people on the list angry with this post. Its just that there is a problem, and I thought I suggest A solution (eventhough I wasn't asked for one.) Take care, The Young Turk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 19:36:24 -0500 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Self-defense and why that's not it (was Re: Sampling CD's) >How about writing few lines of code, that will automatically post >100s of mail (amount would be up to your discretion) to these >clowns' mail boxes as soon as they commit the sin!...Of course, >that would require some up-keeping on your part. Perhaps you >could make it, so that the subject lines would actually hold >some legitimate subject titles from EMUSIC-L, and the body would say >something like "PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY ADS ON THIS LIST!..." >"Bla, bla, bla,.."...whatever you would find appropriate!... >Or mailing old (from archives) EMUSIC-L mail messages with >corresponding subject titles, etc. I know this is well-meant, and I'm replying here for the sake of those who might think it was a good way to "take care of" someone abusing them. Please understand that this is meant as grandfatherly advice from the Net's logical equivalent of an Old Fart. :-) >>>Doing things like this is a very bad idea.<<< It makes the system administrators on the receiving systems want to kill you. It screws up mail for everyone on their system - in securty parlance, it's called a "denial of service attack" and could get you arrested, fined, and sent to jail on a felony charge, let alone fired or expelled and bounced off the net! When you send hundreds of pieces of mail, the mail space on the receiving system for *everybody* fills up. The VIPs start calling up and breathing down the necks of the systems people, demanding to know why they're not getting mail. The system admin starts looking for somebody to blame. The mail-bomber is It, and gets in *really* big trouble. No no no. Baaaad idea. Never, ever, piss off a systems administrator. Trust me. I'm a system administrator myself. If someone did this on my system, they would be in Deep Yogurt. NASA *prosecutes* this kind of stuff. I wouldn't care to lose my job and go to jail over an ad on a mailing list. In the case of the abusive poster, I simply forwarded the mail to the appropriate folks at his site (the postmaster, who is always postermaster@where-ever.it.is). That should take care of it. I informed the list about his letter to me only because I thought he deserved to be sabotaged for being nasty. To outline how I approach undesirable mail on this list (just in case anyone ever needs to do something similar - say you're getting junk mail or chain letters or abuse from someone): 1) Person A posts an ad, significantly nasty personal flame, etc - an objectionable letter by EMUSIC-L (and my) standards. I follow up to him/her and to the list and ask politely (or as politely as current blood pressure levels allow) that this not be repeated. In the case of a flame, I will usually request that an apology be made privately only. Other times when I have something to say on the topic, I will simply follow up the original letter, pointedly noting that I find it possible to do so without flaming. If no more objectionable material shows up, I let it be. 2) Person A posts another unacceptable message. I follow up again, privately, reminding them that I asked them not to do this once already and cc'ing their postmaster. Any nasty or abusive mail in return is simply quoted in full and forwarded to the postmaster as well. This usually stops it. Terrorism, whether physical or electronic, is never a solution; this type of "mail bombing" is exactly that. I like to think that I give everybody at least one chance to screw up and that I always give them a chance to admit it and apologize. Had I gotten an apology, I probably would have just forgotten about the whole thing. We really don't get that many ads, as things go, It's just that I have to stay on top of them because allowing them to be posted unchallenged starts you down the slippery slope of "well, you let him/her post an ad and didn't complain, so why can't I?". I appreciate your trying to come up with a way to help me out, but that's not one that's good to use if one wants to stay on the Net. And I do! --- Joe M. ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************