EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 63, Issue 13 This issue's topics: Sample "LOOPS" samples/patches (3 messages) Sampling on Akai (6 messages) Sampling... (5 messages) sampling/sampler questions (2 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 09:34:51 -0500 From: Steve Hills Subject: Sample "LOOPS" Has anyone found a recording technique (amount of time, volume, etc.) that makes it easier to "LOOP" the samples? I found that my own samples although good won't go as far in the octaves. Is there a technique to "LOOP" samples more effectively? ************************************************************************ SHills@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 16:41:31 GMT+0100 From: Johan Pater Subject: samples/patches Hello all, I'm looking for other users of the Roland W30 (that's a synthesizer, sequencer and sampler in one) and patches or samples for this excellent piece of machinery. I've tried site (louie.udel.edu) but there wasn't anything about a W30 there, i thought so. If you have patches or samples and you also have a PC than we can share samples/patches because i can save the W30 data on my PC as a normal file. HOPE THIS WILL GIVE ME A LOT OF MAIL OR MAYBE THERE AREN'T ANY W30-USERS ANYMORE AND I'M THE ONLY GUY WHO HAS SUCH A PIECE OF MACHINERY.......nah don't thinks so....... See ya !!!! Johan Pater ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cetis | | Centre for Educational Technology, Innovation and Stafftraining | | at the 'Hogeschool Utrecht' University for Vocational Education | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | INTERNET : JPATER@CETIS.HUT.NL | PO-BOX 573 | | FAX : (+31) (0)30-368180 | 3500 AN UTRECHT | | PHONE : (+31) (0)30-308117 | THE NETHERLANDS (EUROPE)| ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 15:19:28 GMT+0100 From: Johan Pater Subject: samples/patches Hello again, I am looking for samples/patches for the ROLAND W-30. Anybody got a synthesizer that corresponds to that name please contact me. I'M NOT THE ONLY GUY WHO HAS SUCH A PIECE OF MACHINERY.......nah don't thinks so....... See ya !!!! Johan Pater Johan Pater ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cetis | | Centre for Educational Technology, Innovation and Stafftraining | | at the 'Hogeschool Utrecht' University for Vocational Education | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | INTERNET : JPATER@CETIS.HUT.NL | PO-BOX 573 | | FAX : (+31) (0)30-368180 | 3500 AN UTRECHT | | PHONE : (+31) (0)30-308117 | THE NETHERLANDS (EUROPE)| ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 16:37:18 EDT From: Bill Fox Subject: Two Items Hi Johan, Try lotus.uwaterloo.ca in /pub/sgroup/samples. You'll probably need a program or two from /pub/sgroup/utilities in order to use what's in the samples directory. Are you a member of the sgroup? It's a list for Roland S- series (and W30) samplers. To join, send mail to sgroup-request@lotus.uwaterloo.ca and ask to join the group. To post to sgroup, send mail to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca and your mail will be reflected out to the entire membership. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:22:18 -0400 From: "J. M. Macknik" Subject: Sampling on Akai Just last night I was using the Akai in our studio to learn the basics of sampling. My question: Is there any way I can take what I've sampled (via analog mic) and manipulate the pitch without changing the speed? Can I transfer the data to another MIDI device digitally, then use it? I'm sorta confused. I could probably send it to the Mac, but I haven't used any of the software we have. I'm not even really sure what some of this software does. We've got Galaxy, I know, and I think that is used to manipulate samples, but I dunno. If anyone can sell me a clue, I pay well. Thanks. -Jim James M. Macknik Data Management Assistant Senior - Connecticut College Dept. of Academic Computing Major - Music & Technology Connecticut College VoiceMail:(203)/439-3333 x5542 Office:(203)/439-2923 E-Mail Address: jmmac@conncoll.edu Internet Address: jmmac@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:05:48 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Sampling on Akai > Just last night I was using the Akai in our studio to learn the > basics of sampling. My question: > Is there any way I can take what I've sampled (via analog mic) > and manipulate the pitch without changing the speed? Can I transfer the > data to another MIDI device digitally, then use it? I'm sorta confused. > I could probably send it to the Mac, but I haven't used any of > the software we have. I'm not even really sure what some of this > software does. We've got Galaxy, I know, and I think that is used to > manipulate samples, but I dunno. If anyone can sell me a clue, I pay > well. Thanks. What you are trying to do is time compression/expansion, which allows you to change the pitch without changing the length of the sample and/or change the length of the sample without changing the pitch. I'm pretty sure that the Akai by itself cannot perform this. To do it on the Mac you'd need Passport's Alchemy which is hard to come by (it's been discontinued) and steep (around $800 or more). But Alchemy should take care of the transfer problems too, since it will let you do standard SMIDI dumps (Sample dumps via SCSI), Akai dumps and standard MIDI sample dumps (in case you don't have SCSI on your Akai. Is there an alternative on the Mac to Alchemy? Not that i know of, but as usual i'd gladly be corrected on this aspect. As much as bitch about the lack of a decent program, i should just write one, but alas i don't have time nor patience Good Luck. -- Arne F. Claassen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- <<< From "Netwhore Incantations": Blessed be thy MIDI implementation >>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:24:55 -0400 From: "J. M. Macknik" Subject: Re: Sampling on Akai > > Is there any way I can take what I've sampled (via analog mic) > > and manipulate the pitch without changing the speed? Can I transfer the > > data to another MIDI device digitally, then use it? I'm sorta confused. > What you are trying to do is time compression/expansion, which allows you to > change the pitch without changing the length of the sample and/or change the > length of the sample without changing the pitch. I'm pretty sure that the Akai > by itself cannot perform this. > > -- > Arne F. Claassen > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > <<< From "Netwhore Incantations": Blessed be thy MIDI implementation >>> > Thanks for the note Arne. I spoke to the head of our department, who is also the professor for the elec/comp music courses. He agreed with you. It seems that I'll have to sample in small intervals so as not to affect the timbre of the sound as I change pitch(e.g. I'll have to sample the violin first in one register, then again in the next highest register, etc.). It's a pain in the butt, and will probably become a nightmare to organize, but it's the best I've got. Thanks for your reply, tho. -Jim James M. Macknik Data Management Assistant Senior - Connecticut College Dept. of Academic Computing Major - Music & Technology Connecticut College VoiceMail:(203)/439-3333 x5542 Office:(203)/439-2923 E-Mail Address: jmmac@conncoll.edu Internet Address: jmmac@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 11:43:17 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Sampling on Akai > Thanks for the note Arne. I spoke to the head of our department, who is > also the professor for the elec/comp music courses. He agreed with you. > It seems that I'll have to sample in small intervals so as not to affect > the timbre of the sound as I change pitch(e.g. I'll have to sample the > violin first in one register, then again in the next highest register, > etc.). It's a pain in the butt, and will probably become a nightmare to > organize, but it's the best I've got. Thanks for your reply, tho. For sampling real world instruments that technique is more of a pain but a lot more rewarding. Time compression will let you change the pithc without affecting the length, but you'll find that that sample does not really sound like a lower or higher register of the string. Actually, using time compression gives you some funky timbre's tha fit together but sound artificial. -- Arne F. Claassen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- <<< From "Netwhore Incantations": Blessed be thy MIDI implementation >>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 20:36:44 -0400 From: John Sweeney Subject: Re: Sampling on Akai In a dream, these words by J. M. Macknik were imprinted on my mind: > > > > Is there any way I can take what I've sampled (via analog mic) > > > and manipulate the pitch without changing the speed? Can I transfer the > > > data to another MIDI device digitally, then use it? I'm sorta confused. > > > What you are trying to do is time compression/expansion, which allows you to > > change the pitch without changing the length of the sample and/or change the > > length of the sample without changing the pitch. I'm pretty sure that the Ak ai > > by itself cannot perform this. > > I was in a recording studio the other day and was playing with an Akai. it did have time comp/exp. I made a 2 sec sample into 4 secs without changing the sampleing rate/pitch. i think this is what you're referring to. i cant remember exactly what kind of Akai it was, all I know is that it costs $5000 =). hope this helps! =) 2john _______ ____ _ _ __ John \ __ _ ___ ____ />/^> .....---:-::::==///|||\\___ Sweeney |____Harmon-e \___ /^\ /?-- ______ ____ ___ _ _ _ _____ ----^-^--- / jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ) j u s t w a i t . . . / <__>->___<__-><>---<-_> (_________________ __ _ __ _____ ___ _/ +---+----+-----+------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 03:05:17 -0400 From: "J. M. Macknik" Subject: Re: Sampling on Akai On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, John Sweeney wrote: > I was in a recording studio the other day and was playing with an Akai. > it did have time comp/exp. I made a 2 sec sample into 4 secs without > changing the sampleing rate/pitch. i think this is what you're referring > to. -=John=- Actually, what I was referring to was changing the pitch of a sample without changing it's timbre, i.e. speed of vibrato, etc. It seems I'll just have to do this manually. Thanks, Jim James M. Macknik Data Management Assistant Senior - Connecticut College Dept. of Academic Computing Major - Music & Technology Connecticut College VoiceMail:(203)/439-3333 x5542 Office:(203)/439-2923 E-Mail Address: jmmac@conncoll.edu Internet Address: jmmac@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 08:14:03 U From: Scott Drexel Subject: Sampling... Mail*Link(r) SMTP Sampling... A while back, I saw a message asking about using samples as actual notes on a keyboard. Can this be done, and if so, what is one of the best packages available ? Thanks for any info. Scotty D - Rockin to some Tragically Hip right now -Medical University of South Carolina -drexels@smtpgw.musc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:55:47 U From: Scott Drexel Subject: Re: Sampling... RE>>Sampling... > As far as I know, you can assign individual samples to be played as a "note" on > just about every sampler ever made. That's basically what sampling keyboards > are designed to do. > > Eric Kuehnl > Kenyon College Do you have any suggestions on a good, cheap keyboard. Does it have to be a "sampling" keyboard. I'm fairly new to the sampling end of things. Can I pipe the keyboard into my MIDI connection on my sound card and use a Sequencing program to actually write the notes. I was also wondering if you have a MIDI keyboard plugged into your sound card, will the sound that the keyboard outputs actually play back thru the soundcard itself or just thru the keyboard. I ahve a tape deck hooked up to my soundcard, and would like to record to a tape. Any info would be a great help !!! thanks for all the help. Scott Drexel -Medical University of S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:10:14 EST From: Today must be your lucky day! Subject: Re: Sampling... As far as I know, you can assign individual samples to be played as a "note" on just about every sampler ever made. That's basically what sampling keyboards are designed to do. Eric Kuehnl Kenyon College ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 13:10:15 EST From: Today must be your lucky day! Subject: Re: Sampling... I think an Ensoniq EPS would probably be your best bet. As for the sound-- You are going to need some kind of mixer to record your sound card and the keyboard simultaneously. You cannot run the keyboard through the sound card unless it's a digital audio card, which I doubt. It is the explicit purpose of a MIDI sequencer to send "notes" to a MIDI equipped keyboard (whether it's a sampler or not is not important), so I would imagine you will have no problems. If you have any more questions you can mail me directly at: kuehnle@kenyon.edu Regards, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:43:26 -0500 From: Steve Hills Subject: Re: Sampling... If you want your own samples than you need a sampler. Akai's unit is very popular around the KC area among professionals. The keyboard has to be able to utilize samples as well. Some do and some don't-- some only allow samples with the RAM/SAMPLE cards. Some allow you to load them from 3 1/2" diskettes and will utilize Akai, Korg, Roland, Yamaha samples! Sound always comes through the electronics of your keyboard, sound module, and other tone generators. Soundcards only hold data and once loaded into a computer the keyboard uses it's own internal equipment to produce the sound based upon the information. sh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 14:00:48 +0200 From: Sjoerd Bijleveld Subject: Re: sampling/sampler questions >I am looking for software (hopefully shareware, but commercial is ok if the >price isn't too steep) that does this: > >-You connect your MIDI controller to your computer (preferably a mac), and > using this program, you are able to play sound samples from your keyboard, > rather than clicking a "play" button with your mouse. > >-The computer would have to keep the sound in RAM so it would play > instantly. > >-The computer would change the pitch of the sound as you went up/down the > keyboard. > >...Just curious. Is there anything out there that does this? > >P.S. >Barring the existence of something like the above, are there any cheap >new/used samplers out there? Something less than $200 would be great... > >Thanks, > Theo', I had/have the same idea and found out that the program Max (Opcode) has the possibility to play samples under midi (pitch)control. To make things work you have to do some programming in Max (until now I don't have any experience with programming in Max, but when I have I'm glad to share my results with you.) You need also Midi-manager (it comes with Max) and a Midi-manager compatible Midi driver. Overhere in The Netherlands Max costs about Fl. 1000,= (about $ 500,=). If you own the right Mac (some of the recent types: LC II/III, 475 etc.these types have build-in sound input) then, with the right sampling software (a lot of shareware is available), you can do the sampling and editing with your Mac. I hope this information is of use to you! Sjoerd Bijleveld ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 21:40:03 +0100 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: sampling/sampler questions >I had/have the same idea and found out that the program Max (Opcode) has >the possibility to play samples under midi (pitch)control. Samples internal to the Mac? I'll take your word for it, but I don't recall that from the manual. I might have missed something, since I'm not very interested in playing 8-bit mono samples through a loudspeaker the size of a walnut. >You need also Midi-manager (it comes with Max) and a >Midi-manager compatible Midi driver. MAX comes with Opcode's OMS. It will interface to MIDI Manager (and OMS will allow MIDI Manager routing as well, which is essential for some things). I don't see why MM is needed here. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************