EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 65, Issue 03 This issue's topics: CMT (4 messages) Computer Software (8 messages) Digidesign Address (2 messages) Ensoniq ESQm manual. fp-8? (2 messages) General Music Synth keyboard choices (2 messages) Problem midi-recording matrix-6 aftertouch data (3 messages) programing synths (3 messages) Synth programming? (4 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 15:31:01 PDT From: Ned Kartchner Subject: Re: CMT Burton Beerman said: >The CMY is a MIDI Tool Kit by Roger Dannenberg available from the computer >science dept at Carnegie Mellon Burton, do you have information as to how to get the above tool kit or an address to e-mail or write to? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 17:48:48 -0500 From: Siberian Khatru Subject: Re: CMT On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Burton Beerman wrote: > for those of you have expressed an interest: > The CMT is a MIDI Tool Kit by Foger (sorry) Roger Dannenberg available > from the computer science dept at Carnegie Mellon (it runs on several did > different > platforms). It has several separate exe files that have different functions > including a MIDDI (sorry) MIDI mapper than that allows real-time harmonization > and control of a MIDI source. But its basic interface allows the use of C > compiled programs. It's an excellent way of getting into writing C code for > music if you have never done so, but can accept very involved compiled programs. > What's the FTP address? Jon Southwood jsouthwo@keller.clarke.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 17:56:32 -0500 From: Burton Beerman Subject: CMT for those of you have expressed an interest: The CMT is a MIDI Tool Kit by Foger (sorry) Roger Dannenberg available from the computer science dept at Carnegie Mellon (it runs on several did different platforms). It has several separate exe files that have different functions including a MIDDI (sorry) MIDI mapper than that allows real-time harmonization and control of a MIDI source. But its basic interface allows the use of C compiled programs. It's an excellent way of getting into writing C code for music if you have never done so, but can accept very involved compiled programs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 01:32:26 EDT From: michael Subject: Re: CMT Please your making me sweat with expectations, where can I get these files, and related instructional matterial? Thanks for sharing the info so far. Michael University of Tn. at Chattanooga. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 11:17:18 EDT From: "George T. Vaughn" Subject: Computer Software I am very interested in scoring music. I have an original Yamaha DX7 and would like to use it to score gospel/jazz music. Is this possible? I have an IBM compatible computer (Packard-Bell 486sx). What is the best program to use? I heard about Finale, but are there easier programs? Also, is there any shareware programs available. Sincerely, George T. Vaughn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 16:45:14 EDT From: James Brooks Subject: Re: Computer Software As a personal preference, I like cakewalk for windows which offers a lot of bells and whistles I know, but should be great. It is done by twelve tone systems, and you can even buy it with a sound card upgrade, of course that is the apprentice version but you might like to spend a few more dollars to get more options available. :) James Brooks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 15:59:06 -0500 From: "Curtis P. Parsons" Subject: Re: Computer Software On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, George T. Vaughn wrote: > I am very interested in scoring music. I have an original Yamaha DX7 and > would like to use it to score gospel/jazz music. Is this possible? I have an > IBM compatible computer (Packard-Bell 486sx). What is the best program to > use? I heard about Finale, but are there easier programs? Also, is there any > shareware programs available. > > > Sincerely, > > George T. Vaughn > Indeed, George, there are many good programs out there for scoring music. The first that come to mind are Encore and Cakewalk for Windows-both, however, are very expensive and I don't know about Encore (out of my price range) but Cakewalk is full of bugs, and its scoring ability is somewhat limited- the staff is just for those folks that don't own a controller and enter notes with a mouse (like myself). Secondly, there's Ballade by Dynaware. It's a nice little program and not too terribly expensive (around $100 for the DOS version, slightly more for windows). Again, Ballade is a full featured sequencer and its notational abilities are limited- no 8ve symbols, ornamentation, etc. In my opinion, its easy to use and is the best deal for the money as it gives you everything. The DOS version is the best, and although its written for the MT-32 (Roland) I got it to work with a D-110. You just have to tinker a bit. Finally, what you are looking for is probably "Music Time" by the people who make MT Pro. Music Time is essentially a music word processor with limited sequencing capabilities- and it's cheap. It has palattes for every possible symbol you could want in your notation and makes good printouts, but you can't trigger your controllers (except your patch-change commands) with it. Peace, Khurtikus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 16:23:52 -0500 From: "Curtis P. Parsons" Subject: Re: Computer Software On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, James Brooks wrote: > As a personal preference, I like cakewalk for windows which offers a lot > of bells and whistles I know, but should be great. It is done by twelve tone > systems, and you can even buy it with a sound card upgrade, of course that is > the apprentice version but you might like to spend a few more dollars to get > more options available. :) James Brooks > Sure, Cakewalk is OK if you want to make music with your computer and don't care about fancy notation-but if you want to print sheet music this is not the program to use. Cakewalk is a sequencer and does not offer "the many nuances of musical notation (the company's own words)" Use Music Time if you want to print scores- or better yet, I use Cakewalk to compose and Music Time to print. Peace, Khurtikus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 16:43:25 -0500 From: Siberian Khatru Subject: Re: Computer Software On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, George T. Vaughn wrote: > I am very interested in scoring music. I have an original Yamaha DX7 and > would like to use it to score gospel/jazz music. Is this possible? I have an > IBM compatible computer (Packard-Bell 486sx). What is the best program to > use? I heard about Finale, but are there easier programs? Also, is there any > shareware programs available. > > > Sincerely, > > George T. Vaughn > Music Printer Plus is a powerful program which is very easy to use. It is made and distributed by Temporal Acuity Products. It is pretty expensive, however. This is the program I use, and it prints out very legible scores. Finale for the PC, if it is anything like the Mac version, is probably more powerful but MPP is very easy to use and should fit your needs pretty well. Jon Southwood jsouthwo@keller.clarke.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 18:31:14 EDT From: James Brooks Subject: Re: Computer Software In response to cakewalk not printing, it does print if you have the professional version, or even the new released home studio version. - James B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 18:10:00 -0500 From: "J. Michael Roach" Subject: Re: Computer Software > I am very interested in scoring music. I have an original Yamaha DX7 and > would like to use it to score gospel/jazz music. Is this possible? I have an > IBM compatible computer (Packard-Bell 486sx). What is the best program to > use? I heard about Finale, but are there easier programs? Also, is there any > shareware programs available. Have you taken a look at "Music Time"? j. michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:50:49 -0500 From: "Curtis P. Parsons" Subject: Re: Computer Software On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, James Brooks wrote: > In response to cakewalk not printing, it does print > if you have the professional version, or even the new > released home studio version. - James B. No one said Cakewalk won't print. I just said it doesn't do as good of a job as music publishing software. However, I'd appreciate hearing more about this new home studio version, James, or anyone else who knows about it. How much is it and what is different about it? I was not aware that it even existed. Peace, Khurticus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:06:33 +0200 From: Denis Trcek Subject: Digidesign Address Could anyone send me e-mail address of Digidesign Company (Session 8 producer), or at least their fax? Thanks a lot. Denis Trcek IJS, Ljubljana Slovenia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 23:26:55 EDT From: JRONA@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Digidesign Address >>Could anyone send me e-mail address of Digidesign >>Company (Session 8 >>producer), or at least their fax? Digidesign 1360 Willow Rd. Suite 101 Menlo Park, CA 94025 Fax (415) 327-0777 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 12:34:10 EDT From: HeavyM@AOL.COM Subject: Ensoniq ESQm manual. Does anyone know where to get a manual for a Ensoniq ESQm? I am desperate need of one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:19:42 EST From: "Cook, Dennis R." Subject: fp-8? The folklore society of greater washington (FSGW) is planning to buy a Roland fp-8 electric piano for their dance program. It will replace an aging upright piano for a the various bands which play for the weekly and other contra/square dances. 1. Are there any users/owners who love or hate this keyboard? 2. Is there a better keyboard for general contra-dance band use? 3. What are the best places to buy it? (We have an $1850+case+stand price from Washington Music Center). Thanks for your input. -- Dennis [drcook@arl.mil] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 15:31:35 EDT From: Marvin Sanders Subject: Re: fp-8? Hi Dennis, Regarding fp-8s: 1) Most people who've purchased the keyboard absolutely love it. It's also a popular studio rental item in Los Angeles. 2) At winter NAMM, Roland introduced a new stage piano called the RD-500 which is selling very well. In general, the RD-500 has a wider selection of sounds, better action (in my opinion), and is a more professional controller as it sends on 2 channels and has a pitchbend lever. The significant advantage to the fp-8 is its built-in speakers, which are really convenient for stage work as they function as monitors for the player - RD-500 has no speakers. The fp-8 also looks cool. (Interesting side note: "fp" stands for "fashion piano" as this keyboard was originally designed for use in Japanese beauty parlors.) 3) $1850 with case and stand sounds like a great price to me. Hope this helps... Marvin Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:17:48 -0500 From: Charles Shriner Subject: General Music Synth I'm considering buying the new synth by General Music Systems. I know the instruments specs & capabilities, spent three hours on one & have read reviews. Does anyone out there own one? Has anyone experienced any proplems? thanks ccps ccps@phantom.com shriner@butler.edu composition, sound design & production ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 02:00:11 EDT From: * PF03 UNDEFINED Subject: keyboard choices I just recently got a k2000 and so far feel pretty much burned. I put it in th e shop the day after I got it new. Warrenty will fix it but I'm still without what I paid for and questioning the Keyboard choice all together that I made. I just do not think 2000.00 dollars keyboards should arrive broken. Should I hav e asked more questions before I paid the money or am I an unusual case. I am p lanning to get one of the following soon, maybe more than one of the selections and would like to know what other people have to say. The TG77, Wavestation S R, and JD800 rack mount version are very high on my list. What does any one kn ow good or bad? Please share your wisdom before I shed my cash. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 18:44:00 +0100 From: NAME DANIEL_SALOMONS Subject: Re: keyboard choices Would everybody write his or her name + e-mail address under the message? Thanks in advance. Daniel Salomons. DANIEL@alf.let.uva.nl It just nicer knowing who put it on the list. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 11:29:30 PST From: Alex F Stewart Subject: Problem midi-recording matrix-6 aftertouch data Hi, I can not get the pressure/aftertouch data midi-recorded in MusicShop from my Matrix-6. If I manually enter aftertouch data in the sequencer it is sent to the Matrix-6 and it has an effect. However, if I play with aftertouch, the data is not recorded in Musicshop. I don't know if the data is not being sent by the Matrix, or if it not being recorded by Musicshop. Other data such as pitch bend is recorded. Does anyone know what is wrong, or have suggestions on how to troubleshoot this? This is what is being used: MacIIsi Musicshop (OpCode) MIDI Translator II (OpCode) Matrix-6 (Oberheim) - Omnimode on, local control off Midi manager that comes with Musicshop (OMS??), not the Apple MIDI manager. Thank you, -Alex (alex_f_stewart@ccm.hf.intel.com) Oh, is there a more appropriate list for this Q, such as synth-l? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 15:24:54 PST From: Alex F Stewart Subject: Re[2]: Problem midi-recording matrix-6 aftertouch data Is this a problem with Musicshop or with the Matrix and EPS? Is Musicshop working correctly? Is it a bug, an incompatibility? Does Musicshop not record aftertouch for any midi device? It also seems that velocity data is only recorded as full velocity without any variation. Any ideas? -Alex ----------------------------------- A> I can not get the pressure/aftertouch data midi-recorded A> in MusicShop from my Matrix-6. [deleted] Does anyone know what is wrong, or A> have suggestions on how to troubleshoot this? ------------------------------------ reply: Arne F. Claassen >Oh, well... Don't think there is much to be done. I've got the same problem >with my EPS and Musicshop. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 04:30:50 EDT From: VLeComer@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Problem midi-recording matrix-6 aftertouch data I suggest you try to find a midi data analyzer. There seem to be two different types; the software kind like MIDIscope by the Kurzweil company which will show you what kind of data is being transmitted (down to the hex information and ;Hardware pieces like the Studiomaster MA36 which, while not as detailed in its description of data, instead, has LED's to tell you, at least, what type of MIDI info is being transmitted. The software version may be available online here, but if not, it probably can be found on other services. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:25:37 EDT From: Jody Mayfield Subject: programing synths >>>>>>>>May I say that I admire you greatly for *wanting* to program your synths. Good for you! --- Joe M.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yo Joe!!! thanx for the tips. this is why I love this list. O.K. I understand what you were saying. Question. 1. Can you or who ever sees this message, draw me a graphical flow chart of programing a synth. For example. In a flow chart I can see what to first, second, and so on. ***** 2. Also can you compare each step to a wind or stringed instrument? Peace Jaydawg947@aol.com Jody -------------------------------------------------------- The beginning of knowledge begins with the question: I do not know. ..............DATA, TNG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:57:16 -0500 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: programing synths >1. Can you or who ever sees this message, draw me a graphical flow chart of >programing a synth. For example. In a flow chart I can see what to first, >second, and so on. This is *so* much more difficult than it used to be on the old analog synths (geezer alert - geezer alert). Part of the problem is what Nick Rothwell has described as the "periscope access" you have to the guts of what's actually going on. On the analog guys you could follow the signal from point A to point B in much more coherent a manner. I'm going to drop by my local friendly music store this weekend; I *know* there's a good programming reference for the M1 (third party, so it's more readable), and I'll take a crack at a "what the heck is synthesis and how does it work, anyway" introductory essay. I imagine this will take some time to do a good job on. The third-party programming book is available, I think, from the MIX Bookshelf (phone number available from your friendly 1-800 information operator). It's not much more than $20. >2. Also can you compare each step to a wind or stringed instrument? Let me think about it a litle more and get back to you. They don't parallel very well. I'll also see if I kept a copy of a Keyboard article I *used* to have on programming the M1, if i can find *anything* -- I'm packing up to move in the next couple months, and nothing is where I remember it being earlier... --- Joe M. -- "Will somebody get the cat off the fender Rhodes?" (MST3K) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 00:19:20 +0100 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: programing synths >Part of the problem is what Nick >Rothwell has described as the "periscope access" I got that term from Metlay, and he got it from Richard Bugg, product manager for the Cyclone (not so much a periscope as a keyhole). Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:23:01 EDT From: Jody Mayfield Subject: Re: this is getting old (Selling) Yo let move to the phase baby!!!!! Isley Brothers question: 1. I am a novice when it comes to programming my synth. (I have a M1 and a T3, both by korg). I would love for someone to tell in simple english what certain things mean. Like what the hell is an occillator and how does it affect the sound? 2. What VDF? you know stuff like this. Anybody Out there. I need some info on how to program my M1 and T3. The manual just doesn't do for me. (sorry japanese manual writers!:) I know how to adjust fx and how to make new combinations and adjust velocity, but the other stuff like EG? what the hell does it do and how does it affect the over all sound? I can hear the sound the difference, but I am a graphic artist, and I want to know what does to the whole picture. 3. the reason I wany to know all this is simple. I love those R&B analog sounds from the 70's, and want to be able to program these sounds in my M1 and T3. For example the group Jodeci uses a bass sound that has a great fx when you do a glissando. It's like a weird nasty dirty analog sound. I love it. Now how in the hell do you do that. 4. can anybody recommend a book I can download? peace out Jaydawg947 aka Jody (404) 593-9621 or (404) 656-0664 -------------------------------------------------------- The beginning of knowledge begins with the question: I do not know. ..............DATA, TNG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 19:06:00 +0100 From: NAME DANIEL_SALOMONS Subject: Re: this is getting old (Selling) >> 4. can anybody recommend a book I can download? > >I have a huge list of books available so does piet van Ostum in his ftp site .. >(you should know now what an ftp site is .. ??) .. and I think he always >produce an automatic monthly mail on this list about it. > >I can ftp the list to Joe ftp node if needed .. but the list is probably >already there !! > >ciao >Andrea Dear Andrea, Could you send the nodename of the ftp-server to the list? Thanks in advance. Gr. Daniel Salomons DANIEL@alf.let.uva.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 18:21:41 MET From: Andrea TONI Subject: Re: this is getting old (Selling) > 1. I am a novice when it comes to programming my synth. (I have a M1 and a > T3, both by korg). I guess the two machine are quite the same architecurally .. why do you have them both ??? > I would love for someone to tell in simple english what > certain things mean. Like what the hell is an occillator and how does it > affect the sound? Well we can disgress for hours here writing tons of pages that has been written already .. why don't you try to get some of the old books from the magazine Keyboard .. about synthesis .. ??? > 2. What VDF? you know stuff like this. Anybody Out there. I need some info on > how to program my M1 and T3. The manual just doesn't do for me. (sorry > japanese manual writers!:) I know how to adjust fx and how to make new > combinations and adjust velocity, but the other stuff like EG? what the hell > does it do and how does it affect the over all sound? I can hear the sound > the difference, but I am a graphic artist, and I want to know what does to > the whole picture. same as above VDF is Variant Digital filter .. I guess in Korg domain .. you should probably get some solid background in a bit of Electronics and acoustics .. if you want to get familiar with this terms .. VCO/DCO/Waves VCF/DCF LFO's ENV generators .. etc etc .. sampling .. but things can grow up quite complex ... so be ready ! if you are really desperate .. i (or we ??) can give it a try ???!!!! > 3. the reason I wany to know all this is simple. I love those R&B analog > sounds from the 70's, and want to be able to program these sounds in my M1 > and T3. For example the group Jodeci uses a bass sound that has a great fx > when you do a glissando. It's like a weird nasty dirty analog sound. I love > it. Now how in the hell do you do that. I think a good starting point would be to get read of your two Korg and to buy something more analogish in nature .. The Waldorf uWave .. the SY99 .. the JD800/990 .. or the old real stuff cheap .. Korg polysix roland Junos .. etc etc .. .. and I personally think that a resonant filter is a must for any machine .. a real resonant (not just 0 to 15 setting ..!!) Analog filters are more sweepy in nature .. but some of the new machines can achieve amazing results with digital filters as well .. > 4. can anybody recommend a book I can download? I have a huge list of books available so does piet van Ostum in his ftp site .. (you should know now what an ftp site is .. ??) .. and I think he always produce an automatic monthly mail on this list about it. I can ftp the list to Joe ftp node if needed .. but the list is probably already there !! ciao Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 18:51:50 -0500 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: this is getting old (Selling) >1. I am a novice when it comes to programming my synth. (I have a M1 and a >T3, both by korg). I would love for someone to tell in simple english what >certain things mean. Like what the hell is an occillator and how does it >affect the sound? Okay. I think the problem is that most synthesizer manuals start out thinking that everyone knows everything there is to know about how electronic music works, and proceed from there. There really is a need for a nice basic online tutorial on exactly how electronic music works and how to do stuff with it. (I suppose I've handed myself another essay now, haven't I?) To answer your specific question, an oscillator is a hardware or software entity that does the logical equivalent of a vibrating reed in a sax, or the vibrating column of air in an organ pipe. There are a number of things that you can do to short- or long-term modify what an oscillator is doing (e.g., make it louder or softer, change the manner in which it is "vibrating (by changing the waveform), or change the frequency at which it's vibrating); this is called "modulation". > EG? what the hell >does it do and how does it affect the over all sound? I can hear the sound >the difference, but I am a graphic artist, and I want to know what does to >the whole picture. An EG is short fo an "envelope generator". The EG shapes how fast a sound starts, how long it sustains and how loud before it begins to get softer (decay) and what it does after you take your finger off the key (release). An EG will also sometimes be called an ADSR (from attack-sustain-decay-release). An envelope with a hard (fast) attack will sound plucked or percussive; a slow one will sound "bowed", like a string sound. >3. the reason I wany to know all this is simple. I love those R&B analog >sounds from the 70's, and want to be able to program these sounds in my M1 >and T3. For example the group Jodeci uses a bass sound that has a great fx >when you do a glissando. It's like a weird nasty dirty analog sound. I love >it. Now how in the hell do you do that. Now *this* is difficult. One, I haven't heard the sound. Two, the M1 and T3 are not the most programmable beasts in the world. Remember modulators? The M1/T3 family of synths does not have many. It may be difficult for you to do this with the M1/T3. Does either machine have "portamento"? This allows you to define a certain amount of "slide" between notes. Look through your patches and see if there are any with any kind of glide at all. You may be able to steal this and work it into another patch. May I say that I admire you greatly for *wanting* to program your synths. Good for you! --- Joe M. -- "Will somebody get the cat off the fender Rhodes?" (MST3K) ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************