EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 65, Issue 10 This issue's topics: Addictions, Correlations, Grunge, Math, Inspiration, Emusic, the Whole Enchilada, and the Universe! FW: Heroin and Grunge Music Heroin and Grunge Music (5 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:51:28 EDT From: "william.b.fox" Subject: Addictions, Correlations, Grunge, Math, Inspiration, Emusic, the Whole Enchilada, and the Universe! Re: Addictions and Dead People... Sung to the tune of that old hit song __COCAIN__ He didn't wash his hair, he didn't have a care; Cobain. His name was Kurt, now he's pushing up dirt; Cobain. He got high, said goodbye, then he died; Cobain. Joe said: > High correlation between heroin use and stupidity. > You make the call about grunge and stupidity. If A = B and B = C, then A = C. You make the substitutions! Re: Correlations... Ever since the company upset my life two years ago, which forced me to sell my home, leave my friends and family behind, and move to the east coast to start all over again, the only thing I've composed was a short chord sequence when I bought that Matrix-12. I even came up with a guitar line to go with it. I wasn't prolific BEFORE the change but this is pathetic. Some might say that I NEED a drink but I'm as close to a teetotaler as one can be and still claim to be a "social drinker," whatever that means. The inspiration and motivation that I used to find from within have been in hibernation. Well, at least I'm playing (cover tunes in a Progressive Rock band) and keeping my chops up and having fun. Re: Emusic (sort of) I just picked up Zappa's "Yellow Shark" and all I can say is, "Wow!" Actually, I can also say that I can't imagine how a mere human mind can concoct New Music that is so entertaining! Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:41:00 PDT From: "Rossi, John" Subject: FW: Heroin and Grunge Music Actually, if you are going to use a drug, few are technically safer than heroin. Of course, you have to watch out for ODing, but deaths due to heroin intoxication are relatively rare. Opiates got a lot of bad press for the same reasons crack cocaine did (i.e., association with the social class that use them). Except for the problems associated with 'true' addiction, heroin and other opiates are not as problematic as one is generally led to believe. A recent JAMA article estimated that about a substantial percentage of all physicians in the US are addicted to an opiate (most to Dilaudid). It went on to conclude that these addicted doctors performed no less adequately than the general population of non-addicted doctors (of course, that isn't saying much). Actually, the only real long term concern in opiate addiction is continued ability to afford and acquire the drug. John P.S. Disclaimer requested by the owner (I generally don't disclaim anything I say)...... The preceding paragraph does not represent advocacy of drug use. It is simply as statement of fact. I do not advocate drug use, and emusic-l and its controling factions does not advocate drug use. On the other hand, I do not advocate drug laws either. I believe that drugs should be legal to obtain and to use. I further believe that a persons should have the right to put anything in their bodies that they want to, regardless of the potential toxicity of the substance. Finally, I believe that if we were to eliminate the 'war on drugs' and were to substitute 'drug education' programs which were open and honest we would be able to substantially reduce the incidence of violent crime, especially in our inner cities. Again, these views are mine and do not necessarily represent the views of emusic-l ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:57:08 GMT From: SCOTT MORSCHHAUSER Subject: Heroin and Grunge Music Date: 06/09/94 From: SCOTT MORSCHHAUSER OU59105 - DACDXX21 To: EMUSICL - SSAUTORG Subject: Heroin and Grunge Music Reference: Your note of 06/09/94 08:28 attached below ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- < What do others think out there about the correlation of heroin Subject: Heroin and Grunge Music I was up later than usual and watched Geraldo on CNBC with ex-heroin addict, casual users, doctors, Rolling Stone editor, and Entertainment columnist. I usually don't watch Geraldo but this was caught my attention listen ining to the heroin addict talk about the 'job' of getting heroin to support his addiction and grunge music. The points made that stood out in my mind (paraphrased) were: 1. Grunge music scene originating in Seattle has made an impact on increased heroin use in this country. It's up above cocaine. 2. Kurt Cobain's influence has contributed to the continued use of people starting and using heroin -- it is slowly reaching the hype of the 80's use of cocaine. Apparently the anti establishment, anti everything, negative social scene is contributing to this increase of heroin use. 3. Rolling Stone said that heroin use and increase of numbers using it is bigger than we realize and increasing. What do others think out there about the correlation of heroin use and grunge music? SHills@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:16:28 -0500 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Heroin and Grunge Music > What do others think out there about the correlation of heroin >use and grunge music? High correlation between heroin use and stupidity. You make the call about grunge and stupidity. (And yes, let's get back to electronic music...) --- Joe M. -- "Will somebody get the cat off the fender Rhodes?" (MST3K) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:20:29 EDT From: Knox Bronson Subject: Re: Heroin and Grunge Music Every "movement" has its drugs. There was a large heroin underground in the SF punk scene of late seventies, with a large SPEED contingent. The early eighties glam/metal (a la motley crue, guns n roses) of LA had a large heroin scene going. Coke has been rampant everywhere for a long time. Pot is ubiquitous. The rave scene has ecstacy (mdma), LSD, & a bit o' speed. But the drug of choice, for most, from the psychedelic sixties to now .... is, of course, ALCOHOL. Always has been, always will be. All other drugs are "gateway drugs" to booze, IMHO. Once the weekend junkies get tired of the "job" of maintaining a heroin habit and discover the miraculous healing powers of John Barleycorn ... they will leave the toys of childhood behind and start drinking. Just ask Keith Richards! You know the difference between a drunk and a junkie? A drunk will steal your money, go get drunk, come back and tearfully admit the theft with a promise of restitution. A junkie steals your money, go gets high, comes back and helps you look your lost stash of cash. There is no real correlation between any particular music and drug use. People who want drugs and use drugs, including alcohol, simply want a soundtrack for their highs ... A stupid topic for an electronic music forum. Let's talk about Serge modules! --==:: : Knox Bronson Been there, done that, what's next for the living is one day at a time ... ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:00:32 CST From: "Harry F.P. Haecker" Subject: Re[2]: Heroin and Grunge Music ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ :> What do others think out there about the correlation of heroin :>use and grunge music? >High correlation between heroin use and stupidity. >You make the call about grunge and stupidity. I agree, Joe. How in *hell* could anyone think that hard drug use and the production of any kind of long-term contribution to music could in any way be miscible? The quality of the music that comes out is directly correlated to the structural integrity of the brain cells that produced it. Those unfortunate addicts who were able to produce some amount of good music, did so IN SPITE OF their addiction; not because of it. Their potential was compromised by brevity of life or lack of sustained inspiration. I personally hate heroin, coke, excessive alcohol, and any other chemical that can lower the quality of music and/or kill otherwise gifted artists (I write from personal anguish on this). Cobain was a pathetic figure; some part of me feels for his anguish. But a Mozart he wasn't. IMHO, his contribution to the history of Western Music is _quite_ a miniscule footnote, and people who desire to be like him through the use of heroin will get just that: an early stop to their careers as "grunge artists". [Five years from now: "What's a Cobain?"] Heck, Cobain probably never even programmed in Max! (obligatory E-music reference, y'all.) take care. HFPH ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************