EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 67, Issue 14 This issue's topics: Hardware Q & A cheapie audio circuits? ART Email Address? Cubase/M-1 setup GR-50 Guitar Synth (5 messages) H/Disk recording initialize D-5? (2 messages) Juno 2 specs JV80 and sequencer VS Korg X3 MIDI help needed Q: Roland MPU-IPC-T vs Soundblaster AWE-32 on MIDI (2 messages) Roland Sound Brush and other play Units SMF! Sequencer or Play Units (WITH SMF) cheap Serge in Keybored Mag... (3 messages) Sound Blaster and MIDI 'All Notes Off' (4 messages) The Riday T-91 alternate controller Who can help? Yamaha C-1 laptop Yamaha DX27 chip specs... Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 11:07:49 CDT From: "Kevan L. Moore" Subject: cheapie audio circuits hello all. a friend of mine is putting together his traditional haunted house in october and wants info on how to build any audio circuit that produces a 'computery' voice. if i had a couple of grand i'd get a Boss SE-70 and a Vocalist and do the job right, but i don't. SO, anybody out there seen any schematics for cheapy ring modulators, pitch-shift chips (i think i've seen one but i don't know where), etc? obviously a fuzz box would be cheap, but that would only sound like a bad amp, not like a robot. anybody out there want to LEASE me their vocalist or SE-70 for a buck a year? :-) thanks. kevan l. moore Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 15:11:45 -0400 From: Jon Crystal Subject: ART Email Address? Does anyone know if ART in Rochester NY has an email address? Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 21:14:15 -0400 From: "Tracy D. Proctor" Subject: Cubase/M-1 setup Hi. I'm new to the list, and since I was subscribed to an older version of the list, I am going to post the message again. I am looking for reference texts about Cubase to M-1, late generation DX-7 MIDI setup. I saw one at one point, but I have forgotten any pertinent info about the text. Does anyone know of any references or have any other advice? I would appreciate it. Respond privately unless you think the group would be interested. If the message was posted before, please respond again as it took me a day or two to subscribe to the proper list. Thanks Tracy tdprocto@mailbox.syr.edu Syracuse University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 22:23:12 EDT From: "Allen R. Sparks" Subject: Re: GR-50 synth is s... I've got a Roland GR-1 and I think it's great! I've heard the GR 50 is too! Enjoy... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 20:51:40 -0700 From: Nate Waddoups Subject: Re: GR-50 synth is s... On Mon, 1 Aug 1994, Allen R. Sparks wrote: > I've got a Roland GR-1 and I think it's great! I've heard the GR 50 is too! I just got my GR-50 going... It's actually a lot better that tracking than I had expected, in fact. Plus, I REALLY like the onboard synth. The 'LA' synthesis is a nice contrast to my Proteus. I'm having a bit of trouble with the pickup and my fretboard, though. I think that the pickup itself is shaped for a fretboard with a tighter radius than mine. I have a GK-2 - does anyone know what the best fingerboard radius is? If the GK-2a has adifferent radius? If there are any guitars out there that are well-matched to either? Thanks go out in advance to anyone who can help me with this... +------------------+------------------------------------------------------- | natew@halcyon.com | You write Windows code? Mac code? OS/2 PM code? +-------------------+ Want a great job in the pacific northwest? Send me email, we'll talk... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:41:32 -0500 From: Tim Harrison Subject: GR-50 Guitar Synth I found a GR-50 for under $400 used (w/out GK-2.) I've been told that the GR-1 makes the GR-50 tracking obsolete. I know nothing about guitar synthesis, but I've been warned of GR-50 "calibration" problems. Should I buy it, or is it too risky buying used? Thanks, Tim Harrison harrison@depauw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 09:43:04 -0500 From: Steve Hills Subject: Re: GR-50 Guitar Synth That sounds like a good buy. I bought the new Roland guitar synth and GK-2. As a guitar player primarily, wow, it's excellent. I have it placed on my acoustic on temporary basis. From friends who have played mine (new one) compared to old one...the old just isn't as good as far as sound and tracking go. It's still a good buy when you think that you will have to pay around $1000 for the new Roland guitar synth. But, if you really want the better unit for serious guitar synth performance there is no comparison. -------------------author's opinion only---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 20:51:39 EDT From: "Brian A. McDermott" Subject: Re: GR-50 Guitar Synth Roland has a new GR-09 Synth that is a scaled down version of the GR-1. I tried both and bought the GR-1 because of the price the dealer gave me. For the money, I would spend more and by the GR-09 instead of the GR-50. The tracking is the biggest reason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 10:43:44 +1000 From: Konk Zooben Subject: H/Disk recording Could anyone give further information on either TED (The edDitor) or SAW (Software Audio Workshop) dig hd disk recording software from Micro channel Ph 857 6808 Both work under windows and sb16 ASP....... Anything, a lead, a thread, ____________________________________________________________________________ Greetings from Konk Zooben. P.O.Box 2148 When all is lost..... St.Kilda West what is there left konk@melbourne.dialix.oz.au Vic.Australia 3182 to lose ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 12:49:34 -0600 From: Grossman Joseph Subject: initialize D-5? OK, I admit it: I have a Roland D-5. Anyway, after I had brought it in for minor repairs, it came back with the performance section uninitialized. Can anyone out there help me with this (i.e. do you know the sequence to do this) or must I go through an elaborate and expensive re-repair pro- cedure? Joe Grossman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 21:52:10 +0100 From: S L Gilbey Subject: Re: initialize D-5? > > OK, I admit it: I have a Roland D-5. Anyway, after I had brought it in for > minor repairs, it came back with the performance section uninitialized. > Can anyone out there help me with this (i.e. do you know the sequence to > do this) or must I go through an elaborate and expensive re-repair pro- > cedure? > Joe Grossman I have a humble D5 too, and I managed to clear all the performance patches and internal tones by carelessly mucking about with the "hidden functions" which you get via devious keypresses in ROM play mode (can't remember them now but I'll find out if you want). Anyway, to reload the factory presets you need a copy of them on rom card (from Roland service department). Alternatively, if you've got a pal with a D5 you can copy them from his machine, either via a ram card or by data dump from machine to machine via MIDI. All this is covered in the manual (though not too clearly). Or the last option, which is the one I used, is to ftp D5FACTD.SYX from ucsd.edu - this is a sys-ex bulk dump of all the D5 factory settings - and load it into the D5 using a suitable program for your computer. Happy to supply more details if you want to email me: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | email: Steve.Gilbey@bristol.ac.uk | | Steve Gilbey | ----------------------------------------------- | | Bristol University, UK | 'They were all of them fond of quotations' | | | Lewis Carroll, The Hunting of the Snark | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 18:50:07 -0500 From: Siberian Khatru Subject: Juno 2 specs I'm sorry if this is the wrong list, but I'm not a subscriber to the SYNTH-L list. My question is this. Can anyone e-mail me the specs on the Roland Juno 2 synthesizer? I'm looking at picking one up (used, obviously) and I'm interrested in the max. polyphony, multi-timbrality, MIDI implementation, etc. Also, is there a manual for the Juno 2 available? I don't think this one has it (if a manual exists) and I want to be able to use the synth to it's fullest extent. E-mail me directly at: jsoutwho@keller.clarke.edu . Thanks in advance. Jon Southwood jsouthwo@keller.clarke.edu ****************************************************************************** "I once played poker with a deck of tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died."-Steven Wright "If I had only known, I would have been a locksmith."-Albert Einstein "Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence." -Henrik Tikkanen ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:11:56 -0400 From: Pedro Hernando Rozo Mora Subject: JV80 and sequencer VS Korg X3 Hello friends I have a Roland JV80 synth, working with a PC 486 DLC with Sound Blaster 16 ASP board. I work with them on house. I need play my sequence (Midi Files) in concert. I has evaluating two alternatives: 1. To buy 1 play unit for General Midi Files, and connect to JV80. ($300) and to buy a Pop expansion board for Jv80 ($300) for get more waves. With this eQuipment, i will work with 8 tracks and two digital effects (reverbd,choues) 2. To sell my JV80 ($1100-1200), and to buy a Korg X3 Multimbral WorkStation ($ $(1800). This equipment have 16 tracks and 47 digital effects. I love my JV80 pianos, (electric and acoustic), too acoustic guitars. I has heard X3 and i don't find some. I'm enginner systems, (computer science) and the user interface of X3 don't are difficult for me. I need new sounds. I need to take my decision ! The X3 have a Synth Soundsa very good, read Standard MIDI files and have a Built in sequencer of 16 tracks. i don't know the Sounds (waves) of X3 very good, can i find my acoustic and electric pianos on X3 ?? Can you Help me ?? some sugerence ?? thanks prozo@itecs5.telecom-co.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 14:26:00 EDT From: "Cammarota, Joe" Subject: MIDI help needed I am having difficulty trying to use a Yamaha DD-14 drum machine. The DD-14 has melody instruments (vibes, marimba, etc.) that can not be turned off. That is, any message on MIDI channel 1 is recognized by the vibes, messages on MIDI channel 7 are recognized by the tympani voice, etc. It seems the only way to get the DD-14 to play only the drum track is to send it channel 10 only. I only have a single port MIDI interface (sound blaster PRO), and I still want the other tracks to get to the keyboard. Is there any device that I can put in-line to filter out all MIDI channels except 10? Joe Cammarota cammarota@dfs.nadc.navy.mil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 09:16:01 +0200 From: Geert De Paep Subject: Q: Roland MPU-IPC-T vs Soundblaster AWE-32 on MIDI Tel: (02) 719 12 52 Email: gdepaep@be.oracle.com Hello, Does anybody know any differences between the Roland MPU-IPC-T interface and the MIDI-part of the Soundblaster AWE-32? I have a Roland-E36 keyboard and I want to buy a MIDI interface for my PC. I know that Roland provides its own MIDI interface and I suppose that it is the best. But most of the Soundblaster Cards also have MIDI-interfaces and of course a lot of other options. So I prefer to buy a Soundblaster card (e.g. AWE-32) but I would like to know if the MIDI part is as good as the Roland MPU-IPC-T interface? Am I able to do exactly the same with the two MIDI-interfaces? Will I encounter any problems (wrong channels, instruments, ...)? (As the Roland is much more expensive, I suspect that there must be some differences?) If you know more about this, or if you have one of these interfaces, I would be grateful if you tell me your experiences with it. Any information is welcome, or any advise on these or other interfaces. Thanks a lot, Geert De Paep gdepaep@be.oracle.com _____ _____ ______ ____ __ _____ Geert De Paep __ / _ / __ / ___/ / ___/ Oracle Belgium / / /__/ /_ / / / __/ Excelsiorlaan 28 ____/__/ _|__/ __/____/ ____/____/ 1930 Zaventem, Belgium ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 13:41:40 +0000 From: Mary Jane MacHaffie Subject: Re: Q: Roland MPU-IPC-T vs Soundblaster AWE-32 on MIDI Hi, I am writing from a MIDI lab located in a community college, we have found that the most compatable sound card for most music programs in the MPU 401 that even though the soundblaster emulates the MPU it may not work with some programs. I hope this helps. > > Tel: (02) 719 12 52 > Email: gdepaep@be.oracle.com > > Hello, > > Does anybody know any differences between the Roland MPU-IPC-T interface and > the MIDI-part of the Soundblaster AWE-32? > I have a Roland-E36 keyboard and I want to buy a MIDI interface for my PC. I > know that Roland provides its own MIDI interface and I suppose that it is the > best. But most of the Soundblaster Cards also have MIDI-interfaces and of > course a lot of other options. So I prefer to buy a Soundblaster card > (e.g. AWE-32) but I would like to know if the MIDI part is as good as the > Roland MPU-IPC-T interface? Am I able to do exactly the same with the two > MIDI-interfaces? Will I encounter any problems (wrong channels, instruments, > ...)? (As the Roland is much more expensive, I suspect that there must be > some differences?) > If you know more about this, or if you have one of these interfaces, I would be > grateful if you tell me your experiences with it. Any information is welcome, > or any advise on these or other interfaces. > > Thanks a lot, > Geert De Paep > gdepaep@be.oracle.com > > _____ _____ ______ ____ __ _____ Geert De Paep > __ / _ / __ / ___/ / ___/ Oracle Belgium > / / /__/ /_ / / / __/ Excelsiorlaan 28 > ____/__/ _|__/ __/____/ ____/____/ 1930 Zaventem, Belgium ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 10:20:22 -0400 From: Pedro Hernando Rozo Mora Subject: Roland Sound Brush and other play Units SMF! hello frnds i need information over Roland Sound Brush (play Unit), prices, characteristics. exists other play units for Standar MIDI FILES ??? I need telephone number (not line 800) of ACE MUSIC CENTER in Miami, i need other vendor of Music in Miami, with telephone numbers !!! Can you help me ?? is urgent! thanks prozo@itecs5.telecom-co.net I live in Colombia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 08:31:46 -0400 From: Pedro Hernando Rozo Mora Subject: Sequencer or Play Units (WITH SMF) cheap Hello friends i need a Sequencer or Play Unit, for play my Standar MIDI FILES with my Syntheziser. I need to select the tracks when i play! i work with Cakewalk, my work is on Standar Midi Files, i need what teh sequencer is cheap!! but that is General Midi! Can you help me ?? I need to know references and prices! thanks prozo@itecs5.telecom-co.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 22:43:24 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Serge in Keybored Mag... The September Keyboard has a fairly interesting article about Serge Modulars. Only problem i see, is that now the the used market value of these hard to find beasts is going to explode with all the Techno-kiddies wanting one for their garage. No offense to Techno music lovers around here, just offense to those would feel that a market of inflated sales and resales and collections for collection sales are cool. -- Arne F. Claassen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nine Inch Nails on MTV Unplugged - "The whole band is onstage. Chris is behind the drums and a tape deck not plugged in, no sound. Everybody's waiting to play. He hits it again. Nothing. I yell at him. He hits it again. Nothing. Then we smash our gear and walk offstage!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 05:07:18 EDT From: Charlie Williamson Subject: Re: Serge in Keybored Mag... Keyboard made it sound like some form of the Serge company might still be around. I had no luck calling information in the San Francisco or LA area. Does anyone know? Charlie Williamson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 20:49:05 -0500 From: Arne Claassen ISE Subject: Re: Serge in Keybored Mag... > Keyboard made it sound like some form of the Serge company might still be > around. I had no luck calling information in the San Francisco or LA area. > Does anyone know? Oh, they're around alright. Try getting the number for STS or Sound Transforms Systems. That's the name they go under right now. They've got a great selection of modules for sale. Rex Probe also keeps a presence on the AH list (at least from time to time). -AFC -- Arne F. Claassen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nine Inch Nails on MTV Unplugged - "The whole band is onstage. Chris is behind the drums and a tape deck not plugged in, no sound. Everybody's waiting to play. He hits it again. Nothing. I yell at him. He hits it again. Nothing. Then we smash our gear and walk offstage!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 11:36:11 -0700 From: Andrew Sharpe Subject: Sound Blaster and MIDI 'All Notes Off' Hi, I have a Kawai PH50 synth and a regular, boring Sound Blaster 8bit. The Kawai send an 'All Notes Off' message (ctl 123, val 0) everytime I release all the keys. Now, the MIDI spec says that this message is sent over the basic channel, and affects all channels under the control of the basic channel. However, the spec also says that this message can be safely ignored, because for every Note On, there must be a corresponding Note Off. Indeed, the Kawai ignores the message that it generates, but the Sound Blaster hears it and obeys, turning off all channels for an instant. So, who's at fault here? Kawai for generating the event, or the SB for listening to it? I can filter out these messages with PowerTracks, but it still is a pain. Comments? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:38:08 -0500 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Sound Blaster and MIDI 'All Notes Off' >Hi, > > I have a Kawai PH50 synth and a regular, boring Sound Blaster > 8bit. The Kawai send an 'All Notes Off' message (ctl 123, val > 0) everytime I release all the keys.... Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. NOT good. > So, who's at fault here? Kawai for generating the event, or > the SB for listening to it? The Kawai. Sending "All Notes Off" in this situation is like running down to the basement and pulling the master switch for the building because you want to turn the lights off in your office. "All Notes Off" is meant to clear notes which received a note on, but never got a note off. I'm afraid someone did not understand what this actually meant, taking it for "no more notes are being played on this keyboard", instead of "turn any notes that are playing off". > I can filter out these messages > with PowerTracks, but it still is a pain. > > Comments? You are fortunate that PowerTracks allows you to do so! --- Joe M. -- "Now hold it down for an hour. Okay, now hold it down until you get a recording contract from Windham Hill." (MST3K) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:08:55 +0100 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Sound Blaster and MIDI 'All Notes Off' >I'm afraid >someone did not understand what this actually meant, taking it for "no more >notes are being played on this keyboard", instead of "turn any notes that >are playing off". There is *generally* no difference; All Notes Off is a channel-specific message. Problems occur when (for example) you overdub note performance data in several passes on the same MIDI channel. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:43:59 -0700 From: Andrew Sharpe Subject: Re: Sound Blaster and MIDI 'All Notes Off' On Aug 10, 7:08pm, nick@cassiel.com (Nick Rothwell) wrote: : >I'm afraid : >someone did not understand what this actually meant, taking it for "no more : >notes are being played on this keyboard", instead of "turn any notes that : >are playing off". : : There is *generally* no difference; All Notes Off is a channel-specific : message. Problems occur when (for example) you overdub note performance : data in several passes on the same MIDI channel. : : Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com Hmm. Here is a bit from the MIDI spec. I _think_ what it is saying is that the message is _not_ channel specific: "2. Messages 123 thru 127 function as All Notes Off messages. They will turn off all voices controlled by the assigned Basic Channel. Except for message 123, All Notes Off, they should not be sent periodically, but only for a specific purpose. In no case should they be used in lieu of Note Off commands to turn off notes which have been previously turned on. Therefore any All Notes Off command (123-127) may be ignored by receiver with no possibility of notes staying on, since any Note On command must have a corresonding specific Note Off command." A# ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:48:26 -0700 From: atomic city Subject: The Riday T-91 alternate controller Malte Rogacki jotteth.... > >mike metlay wrote: >> >>There is a certain something to that, i'll admit. I was, for a while this >>year, the only person in the world other than Rick Riday himself, to have >>a Riday T-91 alternate controller in my studio (seen photos in ad section of >>recent KEYBOARD mags). And as long as I'm friends with the fellow in the UK >>who builds synths and FX and has me test them, I'll have uniques sounds >>to play with.....it's kind of nice sometimes. >> > >I want one! I'm so tired... (no, not again) > >But beside this, how does it "feel" (or better: how does one play with this)? Hurm. It's WEIRD. That's the only word I can have for it; it's a very alien way to play keyboards. The keys have a nice feel, and respond well to velocity and aftertouch. It works well for the left or right hand, and I can imagine that for someone with normal hands (mine are fairly small) it would be a bit easier to use than I found it. The most enlightening part of the whole package was a home video of Rick playing the board; he has nerve damage to one hand, yet he was able to play rapid classical repertoire on the new keyboard without any difficulty. The hands do not "flail" as much as they do on a conventional keyboard; there is very little flexing of the fingers, which tend to stay straight. The hand stays open and flat with the palm down, and all motion is in the arm or the fingertips, very little wrist or knuckles at all. It's quite startling to see the machine in the hands of an accomplished user; you can't believe the sounds that come from so little hand movement. I elected not to buy one simply because I felt that the amount of retraining wouldn't have been worth it for me personally, and that the software needs a bit of work. It uses the boards from the now defunct Lync LN-1000, not the brightest of controllers on a good day and certainly not one whose instruction set is supremely applicable to the Riday keyboard. Rick is looking for software engineers to design a new feature set; I could refer serious offers to him....in the meantime I would encourage anyone interested in exploring alternate controllers on a budget to at least write to Rick and ask for details (he plans to market the machine as inexpensively as possible). Tell him Mike Metlay sent you. I hope to have a slightly more extensive review of the Riday in the Computer Music Journal at some point; however, my original plan, to compare it to the Starr Switch G-Board, fell through, as I had no chance to work with the G-Board (although what I saw of it convinced me that while its software is better, it's basically a guitarist's instrument more than anything else). For a really unique controller, I think you have to go with the Thunder.... -- mike metlay | atomic city | p.o. box 81175 | "There seems to be a certain quality of the human pittsburgh pa 15217-0675 | mind that requires the owner to get silly from atomic@netcom.com | time to time." (j. randi) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 19:22:16 LCL From: Michael Carnes Subject: Re: Who can help? Here's my two cent's worth of opinion on synth modules for classical instruments. First of all, do you really mean classical instruments? Oftentimes in popular music, "classical" sounds are pumped up -- equalized and compressed in ways that don't reflect the real instruments. While this works fine for pop music, it's really unsatisfying for classical. I would lump instruments like the Proteus and most of the Japanese synths (Roland, Korg, etc) into that category. If you really want true instrumental sounds, it's impossible to beat the K2000 in its price range. The onboard sounds are generally very good, but if you add the sampling adapter and buy some sample CDs or CR-ROMS, you can get some stunning emulation. You can probably tell from my tone of voice that I lean in the latter direction. I've written for classical musicians for years, so my ears are attuned to that sound. My K2000 is the instrument of choice for emulation (I've also got a JD-990. It's a great engine, but it doesn't sound like anything natural). Having said all that, the proper instrument only gets you part of the way there. The hardest part about emulating instruments is to get the nuances of performance -- pitch, breathing, the sense of a true physical instrument. Now THAT'S hard. A solid understanding of the physics and performance traditions of the instrument is the most important detail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 23:22:27 +1000 From: Merlin Zener Subject: Yamaha C-1 laptop G'day, I'm considering getting a Yamaha C-1 laptop computer second hand. Does anyone have any experience with one of these? Can you run Cakewalk on it? Any and all comments will be very much appreciated (especially before I part with money!!) :) -- Cheers:) Merlin Zener Ph/fax: +61 75 766 594 Musician, Technician Mobile: +61 18 779 594 Gold Coast, Australia. email: merlin@merlin.edex.edu.au "Research shows that no-one ever went blind from looking on the bright side of life" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 11:08:28 EDT From: Akintunde Omitowoju Subject: Yamaha DX27 chip specs... Hi all, I was wondering does anyone know where I can get some info for the Yamaha DX27 or what address I can write to for this info. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!! =) __________________________________________________________ | | | Akintunde Omitowoju, Computer Science Student | | East Tennessee State University, Johnson City, Tennessee | | InterNet: zao1@etsu.east-tenn-st.edu | | omit@wiw.org | | BitNet: zao1@etsu.bitnet | | | `----------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************