EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 67, Issue 16 This issue's topics: UltraProteus - opinions? (9 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 14:07:39 -0800 From: John Wainwright Subject: UltraProteus - opinions? Does anybody have any opinions on this synth, good or bad. It looks like an interesting combination of all the good parts of all the recent E-mu sound modules (Proteus/1,2,3,Morpheus,Profoemance). I'm thinking of getting one, or should I save a little more and get a K-2000? Thanks, John. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 03:07:24 EDT From: "Jon Anderson." Subject: Re: UltraProteus - opini... I myself do not have an UltraProteus but do have a Proteus 2 and a K2000. The K2000 is in a word awesome! There is nothing that it can't do. It's an all in one package that has unlimited capabilities whereas the Proteus units - even with all expansions - have their limitaions. If you are into doing your own sampling or patch programming it's the only way to go. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 12:02:22 +0100 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: UltraProteus - opini... >There is nothing that it can't do. It is impressive in some ways (I particularly like the formant sweep Jarre gets out of it), but there are many things it can't do, although the thing which it seems to do the best, time after time, is create religious fanatics. The K2000 is powerful enough that I'm considering shifting out my current Roland boxes (MKS-70, D-550, D-70) and Peavey sampler for a K2000R with sample RAM, since I do a lot of live work which requires portability; but no way am I getting rid of the Wavestation racks or the MicroWave, and one day I might pick up a cheap Morpheus; these *all* blow the K2000 away in many major respects (as well as price). >It's an all in >one package that has unlimited capabilities So: let's see yours turn itself into a replica of a 20 year old Jenny Agutter. Well? I'm waiting. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 15:15:20 EDT From: "Jon Anderson." Subject: Re: UltraProteus - o... All right so I probably did over exagerate a little about the K2000. But I stick by my guns when I say that it is the most powerful sampling workstation on the market. You're right. Don't get rid of your Wavestation for one of these. I've got a Wavestation a Proteus 2, a Korg T3, a peavey SP, and a Roland JD990 but the center of my setup is the K2000. All the other pieces are there to enhance what I do wwhith the K2000. The person inquiring about buying an UltraProteus or a K2000 should think about what he/she wants to do. If sampling is involved than go K2000. If using out of the box souds is all that he/she intends, then maybe look into the UltraProteus. Subject: Re: UltraProteus - opini... >I myself do not have an UltraProteus but do have a Proteus 2 and a K2000. The >K2000 is in a word awesome! There is nothing that it can't do. It's an all in >one package that has unlimited capabilities whereas the Proteus units - even >with all expansions - have their limitaions. If you are into doing your own >sampling or patch programming it's the only way to go. Jon Thanks for your comments. I am anguishing about whether to spend the extra grand on a K2000. How does the sound quality compare between the Proteus and the Kurzweil? I've heard that the 2000 is noisy both in some of the patches and the effects unit. As much as anything I'm looking for sound quality, particularly clear articulation in multi-timbral playback. Thanks, again. John. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 13:00:20 -0700 From: atomic city Subject: Re: UltraProteus - opini... Nick Rothwell jotteth.... > >>There is nothing that it can't do. Bull. >It is impressive in some ways (I particularly like the formant sweep Jarre >gets out of it), but there are many things it can't do, although the thing >which it seems to do the best, time after time, is create religious >fanatics. Very true; it seems to inspire people like no synth since possibly the original Emulator, or perhaps the Xpander to stretch a point. >The K2000 is powerful enough that I'm considering shifting out my current >Roland boxes (MKS-70, D-550, D-70) and Peavey sampler for a K2000R with >sample RAM, since I do a lot of live work which requires portability; but >no way am I getting rid of the Wavestation racks or the MicroWave, and one >day I might pick up a cheap Morpheus; these *all* blow the K2000 away in >many major respects (as well as price). Very true. The thing that people seem to miss is that thre is a difference between being exceptional at one particular paradigm, and transcending to a different paradigm altogether. A K2000 has more depth and power than just about any other sample playback synthesizer; that does not make it a wavetable synth, wave sequencer, or even (for that matter) a vector synth; my old Prophet VS is capable of many things the K2000 can't do, and many more that it could do only with major skullsweat. >So: let's see yours turn itself into a replica of a 20 year old Jenny Agutter. > >Well? I'm waiting. I'm second on the list, okay? Although I'd prefer Angela Summers. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Obviously had a wonderful time. You can tell by the way I hobble." (ziggy) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 19:21:58 +0100 From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: UltraProteus - o... >But I >stick by my guns when I say that it is the most powerful sampling workstation >on the market. Sure, no argument there. >I've got a Wavestation a Proteus 2, a Korg T3, a peavey SP, and a >Roland JD990 but the center of my setup is the K2000. I'm curious: why do you still have the SP? > Subject: Re: UltraProteus - opini... metlay schreibt mit seiner crayons: >Nick Rothwell jotteth.... >> >>>There is nothing that it can't do. Oy, mush! Don't point that attribution around when it's loaded. >Very true; it seems to inspire people like no synth since possibly the >original Emulator, or perhaps the Xpander to stretch a point. Inspire to evangelism more than actual music in a lot of cases. This never happened with the PPG, which I've always thought was interesting. I guess the fanatics were too busy learning German. >I'm second on the list, okay? Although I'd prefer Angela Summers. Wot no Sam Fox? Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 11:50:54 -0700 From: atomic city Subject: Re: UltraProteus - opini... Nick Rothwell jotteth.... > >>Very true; it seems to inspire people like no synth since possibly the >>original Emulator, or perhaps the Xpander to stretch a point. > >Inspire to evangelism more than actual music in a lot of cases. This never >happened with the PPG, which I've always thought was interesting. I guess >the fanatics were too busy learning German. Or there simply weren't enough of them. I know of very few artists who really dug in with the PPG and did something with it; Gary Numan's excellent albums from 1984 through 1986 are an excellent example. Mike Smith and Ian Herron, the "Wave Team" as they called themselves, gave those albums a unique flavor, now much imitated elsewhere. Alas, all are long out of print, and in fact _Berserker_, the best of the bunch, was only released on CD for a limited time and then deleted. >>I'm second on the list, okay? Although I'd prefer Angela Summers. > >Wot no Sam Fox? Ner. (did I say it right?) -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (from fEEd's commentary on pros and cons of the Yamaha CS-15 analog synth:) "Good: filter rez does not scream. Bad: filter rez does not scream." ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************