EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 68, Issue 05 This issue's topics: Recording Data and Audio DATs Recordable CD's Pinnacle CD-recorder recordable CD-ROM prices 4-tracking Sony DAT? 4-tracking 01/w mailing list 4-tracking Digital Audio 4-tracking OSC (deck) on the net? 4-tracking (3 messages) ALESIS 8track ADAT (2 messages) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:03:33 LCL From: "Colin T. Smith" Subject: Re: Data and Audio DATs Prices for recordable CD's have come way down from the $30.00 quote Arne said. When my office first started using CDR the prices were around $20.00 and that was about 6 months ago. In the most recent issue of Mix magazine an ad in the classified section has listed TDK blank CD's for $11.50 for 63 minute blanks and $12.60 for 74 minute blanks. If this is the case than maybe we will start seeing the price of consumer CD's start to come down as well Colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:22:35 EDT From: Ray Brunelle Subject: Re: Unknown subject Pinnacle just lowered the price of their RCD-202 recordable CD drive by $1000. This should bring the street price somewhere around $2000 or under. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:46:45 -0500 From: Brian Adamson Subject: Pinnacle CD-recorder At 10:22 AM 9/12/94, Ray Brunelle wrote: >Pinnacle just lowered the price of their RCD-202 recordable CD drive by >$1000. This should bring the street price somewhere around $2000 or under. Hi Ray, do you have a phone number/ address for Pinnacle ... I'm looking to put together a system to make CD-ROMs and/or audio CD's and was looking for something affordable (< $10K for software & everything) I've talked to the folks at Youn Minds but haven't known where to look for much else. thanks, Brian ___________________________________________________________________ R. Brian Adamson Information Technology Division adamson@itd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory NRL Code 5523 Washington, DC 20375 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 08:55:54 EDT From: Scott Lehman Subject: Re: recordable CD-ROM prices I friend of mine found these prices. I don't know anything about software or hardware to write them though. Better Business Systems 7949 Woodley Avenue, Van Nuys, CA 91406 10 50 100 QuadSpeed 23 22 21 74Min 12 11 10 63Min 11.50 10.50 9.50 1-800-697-9993 Media Factor, Inc. 1930 Junction Ave San Jose, CA 95131 Verbatim Generic DIC Digital 63 15 12 13 74Min 15.75 13 14 1-800-879-9536 scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 16:00:43 -0500 From: The Digital Witchdoctor Subject: 4-tracking Hey guys...I recently picked up a tascam 424 4 track to record some of my work. I have programmed most of the drums,. and some of the bass. My basic problem is that I can't get a really decent bass sound out of my synth, and some of the lines are out of my playing ability (otherwise, I wouldn't bother with the synth). My drum tracks arfe pretty good, if a tad mechanical. My question is twofold. One, how can I edit this bass to make it sound human (humane?) enough to send to tape. Two, I am afraid to send the drums and bass through my korg a4 guitar effects processor for fear of ovberloading the unit? Is this an unfounded fear? as faras equiptment goes, I am running a 486 under windows, and emu proteus 1/xr, and the korg, along with various mic's and amps. thanks for any help you can provide regards Phil SPS5251@siena.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 11:21:22 -0400 From: "Keith C. Perry" Subject: Re: Netophelia > I am thinking of getting the SONY TD-7 DAT to go along with it but >they are really expensive here (about $1000, in Paris). > Speaking of the Proteus 1/xr, It is a great unit BUT!!.... Everybody and >their grandma has one now. If you want to sound original stay away, if you >just need some good sampled sounds to write songs with, then it is a good deal. >........later!!! marc Ok, thanks. BTW- I've used the TCD-7 Portable DAT player and although I've never used that TD-7 based on how I feel about the portable unit, I'd say it's probably worth it. Here at Sony for time to time we get in DAT masters that have to be coverted to the 3/4 in, Umatic tape before mastering. At time I know we have used the the portable player as a play back unit (as a matter a fact we did for a CD that I pressed). I sure you can find a "cheaper" model in turn of price but Sony stuff carries the price that it does because then tend to like including lots of features in products that will satisfy almost any consumer. The down side to this is that "basic" models are hard to come by. -.03 cents Keith C. Perry - (800)-836-4599 ************************************************************************** * * *Floor Supervisor / Senior Consultant - Drexel University CRG, OCS Group * *Owner / Studio K Productions * * * * "If you leave it, it will grow" * * * * >-Voices heard by people with short hair-< * * ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:23:19 -0500 From: "Tim H. Harrison" Subject: Re: 4-tracking On Tue, 13 Sep 1994, The Digital Witchdoctor wrote: > Hey guys...I recently picked up a tascam 424 4 track to record some > of my work. I have programmed most of the drums,. and some of the bass. > My basic problem is that I can't get a really decent bass sound out of > my synth, and some of the lines are out of my playing ability (otherwise, > I wouldn't bother with the synth). My drum tracks arfe pretty good, if a > tad mechanical. Cool. My drums bark too. ;) > > My question is twofold. One, how can I edit this bass to make it sound > human (humane?) enough to send to tape. I have the 424 and a proteus too. One thing I do is use a slide bass on the proteus, set the pitch bend to +-12, and draw pitchbends w/ cakewalk. It takes a bit of calculator work, though. You have to divide the maximum pitch bend midi values by your pitch bend range to figure out how much bend to draw to get to the desired note. It's a little tedious, but the result sounds pretty good. As far as fretted bass sounds, I guess you just have to be familiar with bass licks and what can and can't be physically played on a real bass. (I don't know this stuff.) I do have this CAL program for cakewalk that "humanizes" quantized notes. I've never used it, but it may give the "human error" effect that you're looking for. > Two, I am afraid to send the > drums and bass through my korg a4 guitar effects processor for fear > of ovberloading the unit? Is this an unfounded fear? I send all sorts of stuff through my art effects unit at the same time. You shouldn't have any problem. In fact, you can run all four tracks from the 424 from the effects send to your a4 during mix down. I have only one effects unit too. I record some tracks with effects and then put more effects in when I mix down. It makes it sound like I've got a whole bunch of effects boxes. Hope this helps, Tim Harrison thh1@cec.wustl.edu > > as faras equiptment goes, I am running a 486 under windows, and emu proteus > 1/xr, and the korg, along with various mic's and amps. > > thanks for any help you can provide > > regards > Phil > SPS5251@siena.bitnet > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:41:29 -0400 From: "Jeffrey D. Schultz" Subject: 01/w mailing list >Now, does anyone use a Korg 01w/fd out there? email me as I need to ask >a question and korg board seems to be defunct now. I don't own a 01/w, but there is a mailing list. - Jeff Schultz ********************* Info on subscribing to the Korg 01/W list... You can subscribe to this list by sending mail to 'korget-request@sonata.fipnet.fi' and a word 'SUBSCRIBE' in the message body (MUST be at the beginning of the line) You can post messages to the list by sending your mail to this address: 'korget@sonata.fipnet.fi' When you do so, your message will be received here and posted to all subscribers of this list, you will receive a receipt telling you that your message was received here, if you don't get that receipt you know that your message has disappeared somewhere. This list is runned by Erno Tuomainen, mail all comments/suggestions etc. to 'korget-admin@sonata.fipnet.fi' (a human contact ! :-) If you want a full Help on this listserver, send message to 'listserv@sonata.fipnet.fi' put a string 'HELP' in the body of the message. This list is dedicated for Korg 01/W(fd) (and family, 05R/W, 03R/W) users. Here you can exchange your hints and ideas and get your problems solved. There once was an another Korg 01/W-list, runned by Bill Houston, but it sadly stopped to exists. There surely is a big need for this kind of forum, lot's of Korg 01/W users have been searching a way to get in contact with other Korg users for sharing hints, solving problems etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 11:53:42 -0700 From: "R. Edwards" Subject: Re: 4-tracking This Cal effect that humanizes quantized notes, is it found with cakewalk or is it something you've programmed? rona rebel@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:37:17 PST From: "Roger I. Ramnath" Subject: Digital Audio If I appear redundant to previous discussions, forgive me - I'm a rookie here. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with Session 8, Deck II, 840AVs, DigiTrax or any other Mac-based hard disk recording systems. I would like to get your input for a future purchase. Please e-mail me directly if you prefer. Roger Roger_Ramnath@cc.wdi.disney.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:42:38 -0500 From: "Tim H. Harrison" Subject: Re: 4-tracking On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, R. Edwards wrote: > This Cal effect that humanizes quantized notes, is it found with cakewalk > or is it something you've programmed? > > rona > > rebel@netcom.com > I think Twelve Tone (sp?) put on a competition a while ago to see who could write the best CAL programs. The best ones got released (or sold?) on a compilation disk (sort of a best-of-cal.) Does anyone know more about this CAL competition? Anyway, I'm pretty sure I got it from that. Tim thh1@cec.wustl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:16:51 EDT From: Keith Bowers Subject: OSC (deck) on the net? Does anyone out there have the email site for OSC (makers of DECK for the mac). I know that they maintain a folder on Compuserve in the midivendors forum but that $.15 per email that compserve charges probally is making them restrict email traffic. My faxes to their office have gone unanswered and their tech voxline is tollcall hell. I just have some questions about deck 2.2 availability, powermac compats and some details Ive found in using Deck 2.1 for multimedia projects. Thanx in advance- rockon Keith Bowers Rainshadow Audio Lab kabowers@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:32:41 -0700 From: Nate Waddoups Subject: Re: 4-tracking On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Tim H. Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, R. Edwards wrote: > > I think Twelve Tone (sp?) put on a competition a while ago to see who could > write the best CAL programs. The best ones got released (or sold?) on a > compilation disk (sort of a best-of-cal.) Does anyone know more about > this CAL competition? Anyway, I'm pretty sure I got it from that. Check out their WWW html page... http://www.isvr.soton.ac.uk/People/ccb/Cakewalk/ ... I think. +-------------------+------------------------------------------------------- | natew@halcyon.com | You write Windows code? Mac code? OS/2 PM code? +-------------------+ Want a great job in the pacific northwest? Send me email, we'll talk... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 12:43:50 -0500 From: "Tim H. Harrison" Subject: Re: 4-tracking On Thu, 15 Sep 1994, Nate Waddoups wrote: > > Check out their WWW html page... > http://www.isvr.soton.ac.uk/People/ccb/Cakewalk/ ... I think. > > +-------------------+------------------------------------------------------- > | natew@halcyon.com | You write Windows code? Mac code? OS/2 PM code? > +-------------------+ Want a great job in the pacific northwest? > Send me email, we'll talk... > Yes. It's all there. Thanks. Tim thh1@cec.wustl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 18:12:25 GT+3 From: Hermann Henning Rauth Subject: Re: 4-tracking > Hey guys...I recently picked up a tascam 424 4 track to record some > of my work. I have programmed most of the drums,. and some of the bass. > My basic problem is that I can't get a really decent bass sound out of > my synth, and some of the lines are out of my playing ability (otherwise, > I wouldn't bother with the synth). My drum tracks arfe pretty good, if a > tad mechanical. > > My question is twofold. One, how can I edit this bass to make it sound > human (humane?) enough to send to tape. Two, I am afraid to send the > drums and bass through my korg a4 guitar effects processor for fear > of ovberloading the unit? Is this an unfounded fear? > > as faras equiptment goes, I am running a 486 under windows, and emu proteus > 1/xr, and the korg, along with various mic's and amps. > > thanks for any help you can provide > > regards > Phil > SPS5251@siena.bitnet Hi, I am a bass programmer on a industrial band, and when I want the bass lines to sound more human, there are some things you can try out: -stitch the notes of the line together, i.e. play your normal line, quantize it, and then let 1/64 of the note overpass the next one, if you use tempos lower than 80 you may try 1/32 of note overpass. -set the first note volume higher than the others, as well as the base-note (I don't know if that's the therm for it), and as the line goes up try lowering the volume. Oh, you can try that on lines that have notes of different lenght, like this: the first note is a 1/4 E and the next three notes are 1/16 A, you could try this: set the E on max volume and A's on 90,80,70 percent of max (you may need to change this values for a better result). -if you have a pitch bender, or if your synth as a bender cappability you should try to bend the last part of a note to stitch to the other. Well, hope this help! -> Hermann Rauth -> rlat1@rla01.pucpr.br -> LIFO - industrial band ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 08:52:25 -0500 From: Steve Hills Subject: ALESIS 8track ADAT I'm thinking about purchasing the Alesis 8track ADAT machine that runs with SVHS tape. Has anyone used it out there and it is really good? SHills@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:48:31 -0500 From: Mark Douglas Nelson Subject: Re: ALESIS 8track ADAT I've been using the Alesis ADAT machine for about six months now; it's in the electronic-music studio at Wabash College, where I teach. Its strengthn: incredibly user-friendly (wonderful for neophyte undergraduates): very easy to operate, nice monitoring and tape-transport options. _Excellent_ sound reproduction. Its weaknesses: I'm not sure how durable it is, and Alesis seems still to be working the bugs out of its software. I've had the machine suddenly stop recording in the middle of a recording session (very unnerving!). This mysterious problem disappeared when I moved the ADAT to a different (less humid) room; could have been a climate problem, but it was scary! With the ADAT, maximum recording duration per SVHS tape is about 40 minutes; some other machines support longer durations. If you need SMPTE implementation, you either have to devote one track to SMPTE code, or buy the outboard box made by Alesis which provides SMPTE synchronization; some other machines have the SMPTE implementation built in. On the whole, though, this is an exciting machine. My students have done some extraordinary things on it -- it has withstood heavy use by a group of fifteen undergraduates. The people at Alesis are pretty good about responding to problems over the phone. And those eight tracks of digital sound!! ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************