EMUSIC-L Digest Volume 70, Issue 02 This issue's topics: "Real composition" Cm7 and Fm7. was: MIDI speed Purpose of list. (5 messages) Purpose of list. (and 12 tone tutorial) Your EMUSIC-L Digest moderator is Joe McMahon . Please send articles to emusic-l@american.edu. Administrative mail should be directed to the editor at the address above. You may subscribe to EMUSIC-L by sending mail to listserv@american.edu with the line "SUB EMUSIC-L your name" as the text. The EMUSIC-L archive is a service of SunSite (sunsite.unc.edu) at the University of North Carolina. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:33:36 -0500 From: Sally Reid Subject: Re: Cm7 and Fm7. was: MIDI speed Steven.Bramson@jet.uk wrote: > >PS on the subject of minor seventh cords, try playing Fm7 with your left hand >and Cm7 with your right hand together. Then try Cm7 on the left and Fm7 on the >right. Same notes but different octaves, yet to my ears, one sounds nice, the >other sounds a bit of a mess (I won't say which way round so as not to bias >your listening). Any suggestions as to why? I have no real answer to "WHY?" - as I will not pretend to explain WHY the universe is made the way it is - but an EXPLANATION may be: With the Fm7 below, the Cm7 above is really an extended tertian Fm11 - one possible color variant of a simple 11th chord built in thirds over F. (C is the 5th of the Fm7 chord, after all!) With the Cm7 below, the Fm7 is dissonant because it is not generated from the Cm7 (F does not appear/resonate in the overtone series over C) - and so "sounds a bit of a mess" as you say. Simple theory, dear friends. If you are interested in reading more about "true" polychords you might wish to consult Vincent Persichetti's really wonderful (if somewhat dated) book "Twentieth Century Harmony," in the chapter on "Polychords." Sally Reid reid@acuvax.acu.edu Sally Reid reid@acuvax.acu.edu Abilene Christian University Department of Music **************************************************************************** Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:28:19 -0500 From: "Leonard Yarensky Thank you." Subject: Purpose of list. I have been a subscriber to this list since Nov. 14, '94. I have received 50 to 100 messages since joining. Much of the mail has been of very little interest to me. I would appreciate some kind of statement as to what is the basic purpose of the list. I am mainly a classical musician who composes using a sequencer with my MAC llcx. I also use "instruments" from my Ensonic ASR 10 in my compositional work. I would be most interested in hearing from musicians who may be doing similar work. Perhaps there is another list which would be more suitable to my interests. I would appreciate any sugestions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 22:09:24 -0500 From: Joe McMahon Subject: Re: Purpose of list. > > I have been a subscriber to this list since Nov. 14, '94. I have received 50 > to 100 messages since joining. Much of the mail has been of very little > interest to me. I would appreciate some kind of statement as to what is the > basic purpose of the list. > I am mainly a classical musician who composes using a sequencer with my MAC > llcx. I also use "instruments" from my Ensonic ASR 10 in my compositional > work. > I would be most interested in hearing from musicians who may be doing similar > work. > Perhaps there is another list which would be more suitable to my interests. > I would appreciate any sugestions. > The problem is that there is a very large audience for this list, many of whom are not classically-trained musicians at all. The conversation runs pretty much along the lines set by the people who post most often. In the current spate of messages, it's been mostly oriented away from your particular purposes. The best way to get discussion on a topic you're interested in is to post on that topic and lure people out of the woodwork. There was quite a discussion about Shoenberg and 12-tone techniques and esthetics around the beginning of October; a lot of people who I hadn't seen post before had interesting contributions. (I'm still waiting for that 12-tone tutorial someone mentioned...) Please feel free to post on what you're doing and perhaps problems, thoughts, approaches, anything you'd like to see talked about. The beauty of a community as large as this one is that there's almost bound to be at least one other person here who shares you interests and who may have an interesting perspective to share. This list encompasses electronic music from classical to pop. The pop folks just talk more because there are more. Post and be heard! --- Joe M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 07:44:36 LCL From: Michael Carnes Subject: Re: Purpose of list. Leonard-- Hang in there. There are a few more people on the list who work in the classical area (well, one anyway -- me). Once in a while, you'll actually see the list taken over by Xenakis or Nancarrow. I'll admit that oftentimes the subjects are of little interest to me, but at the same time there are some bright people with things to share. Please feel free to speak up if you have tips or are looking for information. ------------------------------ End of the EMUSIC-L Digest ******************************